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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #22470: Apr 23, 2017 10:49:48 pm
      We got loads of injuries last season under him as well it can't be a coincidence, if your means of getting the better of an opposition is to run on average 2-4km per man more than the teams you are playing against you will pick up injuries. And what dyou mean we will focus more on defending this off season? Defending is either something you are coaching well or you are not you can't just flick a switch. I'm no fan of these owners but if klopp is telling me he has backing and was relaxed in the Jan window not feeling an urgency to do anything then I'll take him at face value and judge him accordingly.

      Sorry, I mean I think we will focus on spending on defense. Which should help us overall. The sooner Lovren is put on the bench the better. I'm also hoping Milner and Clyne are put under more pressure, if not replaced altogether.
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      Reply #22471: Apr 23, 2017 10:50:40 pm
      Money all is codeword for bargain bin acquisitions. Particularly on sh*te players. Wait until the summer when Michael Keane will be our marquee signing.

      We won't even get Keane, especially if the mancs are interested in him.

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      Reply #22472: Apr 23, 2017 10:52:36 pm
      Made us Arsenal of the North..

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      Reply #22473: Apr 23, 2017 10:53:09 pm
      Made us Arsenal of the North..



      We aren't in the Champions League every year.
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      Reply #22474: Apr 23, 2017 10:56:05 pm
      No I knew Brendan was full of crap. But if Klopp knowing the same thing (how couldn't he?) still took the job is it FSG's fault we are where we are or Klopp's? As far as we know, Klopp was not in any way deceived by FSG and if he was, shame on him as the evidence of how they steward this club is there for anyone to see.

      Klopp is a sharp guy, he will get this figured out. Let's not worry about Brendan, he's gone on to do his own thing. My concern is what Klopp is doing, not what Brendan's doing.

      Spot on.
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      Reply #22475: Apr 23, 2017 10:56:59 pm
      We aren't in the Champions League every year.


      That's how tragic they are. They aspired to be like Arsenal and can't even achieve that
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      Reply #22476: Apr 23, 2017 11:01:03 pm
      No I knew Brendan was full of crap. But if Klopp knowing the same thing (how couldn't he?) still took the job is it FSG's fault we are where we are or Klopp's? As far as we know, Klopp was not in any way deceived by FSG and if he was, shame on him as the evidence of how they steward this club is there for anyone to see.

      Klopp is a sharp guy, he will get this figured out. Let's not worry about Brendan, he's gone on to do his own thing. My concern is what Klopp is doing, not what Brendan's doing.

      Again how is he so sharp? I feel as if there is an accepted wisdom with J├╝rgen Klopp not fully backed up by what we are seeing. We are making the same errors in our play and game management time and time again and as far as I can see never really learning. Please don't tell me but he won x2 titles in Germany. Rafa Benitez won 2 titles in Spain with f***in Valencia as well as 3 major European trophies and is managing in the Championship. I'm judging J├╝rgen Klopp on what he is doing now not 5 years ago against a sh*t Bayern team.
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      Reply #22477: Apr 23, 2017 11:02:59 pm
      Again how is he so sharp? I feel as if there is an accepted wisdom with J├╝rgen Klopp not fully backed up by what we are seeing. We are making the same errors in our play and game management time and time again and as far as I can see never really learning. Please don't tell me but he won x2 titles in Germany. Rafa Benitez won 2 titles in Spain with f***in Valencia as well as 3 major European trophies and is managing in the Championship. I'm judging J├╝rgen Klopp on what he is doing now not 5 years ago against a sh*t Bayern team.

      Well that's certainly your opinion and you are entitled to it. I'll just draw a line there because I'm not going to go at J├╝rgen over his record.
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      Reply #22478: Apr 24, 2017 04:35:56 am
      So we are back to blaming FSG for losses and praising Klopp for victories? Good to know ;D

      I'm blaming them for the lack of depth at the club. Which is the result of their stewardship over several years, having no depth isn't something that has just happened  it has taken several year of spending money on players who only value to the club is the money released when they move on.

      Its about being to tight to pay experienced payers £80,000 a week to sit on the bench just in case we need them.

      I think Palace had more internationals sitting on the bench than we did ?

      Now Klopp is not without blame everyone I know who has an understanding about football new we were week defensively at the start of the year and he should of done more to get cover.

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      Reply #22479: Apr 24, 2017 04:37:27 am
      I'm blaming them for the lack of depth at the club. Which is the result of their stewardship over several years, having no depth isn't something that has just happened  it has taken several year of spending money on players who only value to the club is the money released when they move on.

      Its about being to tight to pay experienced payers £80,000 a week to sit on the bench just in case we need them.

      I think Palace had more internationals sitting on the bench than we did ?

      Now Klopp is not without blame everyone I know who has an understanding about football new we were week defensively at the start of the year and he should of done more to get cover.


      Fair assessment, although how many teams have more than a few 80k per week players that rode the bench most games?
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      Reply #22480: Apr 24, 2017 04:41:14 am
      Fair assessment, although how many teams have more than a few 80k per week players that rode the bench most games?


      I would say if you take the ten richest clubs 9 of them will have £80,000 a week players sitting on the bench
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      Reply #22481: Apr 24, 2017 09:22:02 am
      The manager has sat through 3transfer windows. He's to blame.  J├╝rgen  get your f***in sh*t together and stop defending f***in sh*te footballers. Do your f***in job and get good footballers into this club and f**k your mates off. I am sick to f***in death of hugs and kisses wuth f***in sh*te footballers. I don't want mates playing for my club . I want proffessional  footballers who do their f***in job. F**k off nice guys and f**king hugs. You can stick that sh*te up your arse . It means f**k all without results. Stop f**king smiling J├╝rgen and do the f**king job you are being paid for.
      See your point, but allow me to add a "What If"... What if there were let's say two or three players for two or three positions that Klopp was looking at, and he put out feelers on their willingness to sign for the club, and either the players wanted CL football, decent wages, or FSG would not meet the transfer fee. Would you sign a player that you as a manager felt was not up to the job?... The thing about Klopp saying that he has the money... It is like saying that you have the money to spend on a car. But we should be looking at what type of car Klopp means when he says he has the money.Is he talking Ford or Bentley...? Don't know if this is the case, simple keeping a open mind
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      Reply #22482: Apr 24, 2017 09:28:24 am
      The manager has sat through 3transfer windows. He's to blame.  J├╝rgen  get your f***in sh*t together and stop defending f***in sh*te footballers. Do your f***in job and get good footballers into this club and f**k your mates off. I am sick to f***in death of hugs and kisses wuth f***in sh*te footballers. I don't want mates playing for my club . I want proffessional  footballers who do their f***in job. F**k off nice guys and f**king hugs. You can stick that sh*te up your arse . It means f**k all without results. Stop f**king smiling J├╝rgen and do the f**king job you are being paid for.

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      Reply #22483: Apr 24, 2017 09:31:53 am
      Did you take Brendan at his word too? Because he said the same thing about transfers. Klopp is working with the same committee, so until I see something of a different direction regarding transfers, I'll continue to assume he's towing the line, at which point he'll get the brunt of criticism for agreeing to go along with it. But hey, this summer will be different right? I fecking hope.
      Do we know what type of contract Klopp signedÔÇŽ? As for any big company, especially an American one, (No offence FL Red) There must be a Confidentiality Clause in there somewhere not allowing Klopp to speak out on certain  club mattersÔÇŽ Remember Klopp being a German manager would not have come across this type of thing managing a German Club
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      Reply #22484: Apr 24, 2017 09:33:04 am
      A good old fashioned drunken rant is what it was.
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      Reply #22485: Apr 24, 2017 09:52:05 am
      See your point, but allow me to add a "What If"... What if there were let's say two or three players for two or three positions that Klopp was looking at, and he put out feelers on their willingness to sign for the club, and either the players wanted CL football, decent wages, or FSG would not meet the transfer fee. Would you sign a player that you as a manager felt was not up to the job?... The thing about Klopp saying that he has the money... It is like saying that you have the money to spend on a car. But we should be looking at what type of car Klopp means when he says he has the money.Is he talking Ford or Bentley...? Don't know if this is the case, simple keeping a open mind
      I think it all comes down to Klopp doing his job well. I think he has been poor in the transfer windows and not shown enough urgency.
      When J├╝rgen first arrived our defence was a joke and after 3 transfer windows it still is. To make it even worse is that , after 3 transfer windows , we still have 2 poor GK's , a Midfielder playing at LB , Lovren , Moreno  and Clyne are still at the club and of the 2 new CB's only Matip looks like he can get better.
      No striker has been brought in and our Midfield is pretty poor. I just don't get Jurgens thinking when it comes to priorities in the transfer windows. Are the club really hampering his attempts to sign quality players?
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      Reply #22486: Apr 24, 2017 10:59:38 am
      A good old fashioned drunken rant is what it was.

      Fair enough, I can sympathise with that
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      Reply #22487: Apr 24, 2017 12:04:29 pm
      Qualifying for the CL would be a joke.

      We get hammered at home by relegation fodder.

      To be expected with no strength in depth and the manager fielding a second rate side.

      Not that the realities bother our owners, the preliminary games which is as far as Liverpool will go in the CL, are a bonus for the accountants and consequently JWH&Co with the associated extra dosh.
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      Reply #22488: Apr 24, 2017 12:08:11 pm
      Fair enough, I can sympathise with that

      He must be pissed with the f**king drivel he posts.
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      Reply #22489: Apr 24, 2017 05:51:49 pm
      I think it all comes down to Klopp doing his job well. I think he has been poor in the transfer windows and not shown enough urgency.
      When J├╝rgen first arrived our defence was a joke and after 3 transfer windows it still is. To make it even worse is that , after 3 transfer windows , we still have 2 poor GK's , a Midfielder playing at LB , Lovren , Moreno  and Clyne are still at the club and of the 2 new CB's only Matip looks like he can get better.
      No striker has been brought in and our Midfield is pretty poor. I just don't get Jurgens thinking when it comes to priorities in the transfer windows. Are the club really hampering his attempts to sign quality players?
      When put like that I have to agree with you wholeheartedly
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      Reply #22490: Apr 24, 2017 05:59:12 pm
      I think it all comes down to Klopp doing his job well. I think he has been poor in the transfer windows and not shown enough urgency.
      When J├╝rgen first arrived our defence was a joke and after 3 transfer windows it still is. To make it even worse is that , after 3 transfer windows , we still have 2 poor GK's , a Midfielder playing at LB , Lovren , Moreno  and Clyne are still at the club and of the 2 new CB's only Matip looks like he can get better.
      No striker has been brought in and our Midfield is pretty poor. I just don't get Jurgens thinking when it comes to priorities in the transfer windows. Are the club really hampering his attempts to sign quality players?

      All very much legitimate questions that need genuine answers...

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      Reply #22491: Apr 24, 2017 09:16:43 pm
      I'm judging J├╝rgen Klopp on what he is doing now not 5 years ago against a sh*t Bayern team.

       01 Neuer
       17 Boateng
       21 Lahm
       26 Contento
       07 Ribery 
       31 Schweinsteiger
       39 Kroos
       44 Tymoschuk
       10 Robben
       25 Mueller
       33 Gomez

      A really sh*t team that, came 2nd to Klopp's Dortmund in 2012 and runners-up in the Champions League, a f**king sh*t team
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      Reply #22492: Apr 24, 2017 10:23:36 pm
      01 Neuer
       17 Boateng
       21 Lahm
       26 Contento
       07 Ribery 
       31 Schweinsteiger
       39 Kroos
       44 Tymoschuk
       10 Robben
       25 Mueller
       33 Gomez

      A really sh*t team that, came 2nd to Klopp's Dortmund in 2012 and runners-up in the Champions League, a f**king sh*t team

      :D
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      Reply #22493: Apr 24, 2017 11:24:39 pm
      FSG = Poundshop Arsenal
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      Reply #22494: Apr 26, 2017 09:34:11 am
      I think it all comes down to Klopp doing his job well. I think he has been poor in the transfer windows and not shown enough urgency.
      When J├╝rgen first arrived our defence was a joke and after 3 transfer windows it still is. To make it even worse is that , after 3 transfer windows , we still have 2 poor GK's , a Midfielder playing at LB , Lovren , Moreno  and Clyne are still at the club and of the 2 new CB's only Matip looks like he can get better.
      No striker has been brought in and our Midfield is pretty poor. I just don't get Jurgens thinking when it comes to priorities in the transfer windows. Are the club really hampering his attempts to sign quality players?

      Another question to ask is how involved are the transfer committee. Have they picked group of players for him to choose from and he has said no to all of them ?

      Whatever is going on it is not good enough   
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      Reply #22495: Apr 26, 2017 11:00:15 am
      Another question to ask is how involved are the transfer committee. Have they picked group of players for him to choose from and he has said no to all of them ?

      Whatever is going on it is not good enough   

      So you don't believe Klopp when he says he is the alpha and omega on transfers?
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      Reply #22496: Apr 26, 2017 11:06:24 am
      Another question to ask is how involved are the transfer committee. Have they picked group of players for him to choose from and he has said no to all of them ?

      Whatever is going on it is not good enough   

      You mean the committee that no longer exists?

      So you don't believe Klopp when he says he is the alpha and omega on transfers?

      Why would he believe that? It's another stick to beat FSG with.
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      Reply #22497: Apr 26, 2017 11:18:56 am
      So you don't believe Klopp when he says he is the alpha and omega on transfers?

      I don't believe him for a second when he says that. The only clubs where the manager has full control over transfers is Wenger at Arsenal imo. And before that Ferguson at United.

      Every club in the world these days has a whole host of people involved in transfers.

      I think Klopp has a lot more control than Brendan did but it doesn't really concern me to be honest, my issue is with the quality of the scouting in recent times.
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      Reply #22498: Apr 26, 2017 11:23:29 am
      So you don't believe Klopp when he says he is the alpha and omega on transfers?
      Where did I say anything about not believing Klopp ?
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      Reply #22499: Apr 26, 2017 11:27:17 am
      You mean the committee that no longer exists?
      The three people who were scouting/ finding players are still here Dave Fallows, Barry Hunter and Micheal Edwards

      Call it a committee call it anything you want it is the same thing

      We still have the same people now (scouting) as we did before

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