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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #24300: Feb 28, 2018 05:36:21 pm
      Mate,

      Like I said, and  I said this a long time ago, it takes a lot of time to be where we want to be (I think I said maybe 10-15 years, don't remember). I'm only optimistic that we will get there because when I look at our strategy and business model it looks good and it gives me optimism. Also you cannot judge the signings of VVD and Keita on Coutinho sale because we aren't in the summer yet and maybe the proceeds of Coutinho will go to signing other players.

      I understand that a lot of the fans, especially the older generation just want to see the league title again because I've only been a Liverpool fan for the past 18 years so it makes me on the younger generation side that hasn't seen the club winning a premier league, but I'm relaxed and happy we have good custodians and a great manager who is doing well so far. Time will tell, what matters is we sign the right players in the summer, just like we are doing so far under Klopp.

      I don't accept your 10-15 year time frame for success, that's an unreasonable amount of time to wait. That's likely how long before we reach maximum value more like.

      It's not like we came up through the leagues, we're one if the biggest football teams in the world. The potential for rapid growth on their initial investment was almost a sure thing in their eyes, otherwise they wouldn't have bothered. This wasn't some rescue mission, it was a minimal risk investment!

      Maybe the Coutinho money is safely in the bank to be used on Lamar and Allison, but that wouldn't be true to form thus far.

      I will happily admit I was wrong in thinking that we wouldn't spend £70 on a defender, I'll be over the moon to be proved wrong over the Coutinho money.
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      Reply #24301: Feb 28, 2018 07:40:33 pm
      Your acceptance of the second-best/runners up badge that this club has been forced to accommodate under JWH&Co is not readily taken on board by all.
      Do not jumble "older supporters" and your claimed "happy and relaxed" younger mind set with the fact that in 7 years we have won f**k all under these owners.

      If you were a younger fan, let's say 7 years old, going to the game and getting ice cream and having a good day out with your arl fella you would indeed feel relaxed and happy, by way of contrast if you add 40 or so years to the age mentioned there could be an entirely different attitude to the proposition - something called experience comes into play.

      What jumps out is our owners are speculators, businessmen who only act out a part of that description.
      The business anthem is feed an investment.
      As opposed to leave the asset ticking over and cream the dividend for the investors.

      JWH&Co would be extremely happy to have "fans" like you supporting  their money pig venture with the echoing trophy cabinets their version of ownership entails.

      Don't talk to me like you're some kind of ''super fan'' because you've seen it all, your post is condescending just because my view is different than yours. If you want to be stuck in the past and think that the owners of today's game are passionate about football just like they were in the 60s and 70s that's your problem, but the game has evolved and changed and owners have to run it like a business.

      I'm relaxed because I don't buy into those silly conspiracy theories I see on here on daily basis especially at the beginning when I read arguments against the owners because they have ''second books'', or they are ''siphoning money out of the club'' and other silly assertions that have been proven false over and over again. Now I see excuses like ''net spend'' like that really matters when we just spent 75m on a defender that no one on here saw that coming.  I also don't buy that argument about the owners only here for the money. They want success as much as we do and the fact they did not take any money out of the club so far has shown their commitment into investing and improving the club. All you do is compare them to G&H .

      Nothing would make me happy to see a club that I support winning trophies, but spare me if I'm being super patient at the moment because we've improved a lot since 2010 on and off the pitch.  ''fans'' like me are pro Liverpool just like your self, we want what's best for the club. We have a great manager, 3rd in the league so far, still in the Champions League, signing the players Klopp want and next year we will have a new and improved training facility that will give us an extra edge, but all I hear is ''net spend'', and every time we have 1 or 2 bad results people blame FSG. I don't think they will ever win, even if we end up winning something.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #24302: Feb 28, 2018 07:59:38 pm
      I don't accept your 10-15 year time frame for success, that's an unreasonable amount of time to wait. That's likely how long before we reach maximum value more like.

      It's not like we came up through the leagues, we're one if the biggest football teams in the world. The potential for rapid growth on their initial investment was almost a sure thing in their eyes, otherwise they wouldn't have bothered. This wasn't some rescue mission, it was a minimal risk investment!

      Maybe the Coutinho money is safely in the bank to be used on Lamar and Allison, but that wouldn't be true to form thus far.

      I will happily admit I was wrong in thinking that we wouldn't spend £70 on a defender, I'll be over the moon to be proved wrong over the Coutinho money.


      No such thing as maximum value.

      They are a sports investment group and they invested in sports  and made them successful, that's what they want to do with Liverpool. Remember how many on here said they would sell quickly just to make a buck? well... they are still here.

      Minimal risk investment? It was risky as it could get. Investing in any football team is a huge risk, never mind a football team that was on the brink of administration. Even if we are big, it doesn't matter when it comes to a club being in financial mess. Just because they bought the club undervalue doesn't mean it was minimal risk. I don't buy the rescue mission either, I really don't care about those cliches. IMO FSG probably did their due diligence right, looked at our current assets and our international fanbase, saw potential to awake the sleeping giant and made a calculated risk to purchase the club. If they didn't, they wouldn't have taken the risk to buy us in the first place, even if it was only for 200m.

      It wouldn't be true because we haven't reached the summer yet, so only time will tell.



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      Reply #24303: Feb 28, 2018 08:17:45 pm
      No such thing as maximum value.

      They are a sports investment group and they invested in sports  and made them successful, that's what they want to do with Liverpool. Remember how many on here said they would sell quickly just to make a buck? well... they are still here.

      Minimal risk investment? It was risky as it could get. Investing in any football team is a huge risk, never mind a football team that was on the brink of administration. Even if we are big, it doesn't matter when it comes to a club being in financial mess. Just because they bought the club undervalue doesn't mean it was minimal risk. I don't buy the rescue mission either, I really don't care about those cliches. IMO FSG probably did their due diligence right, looked at our current assets and our international fanbase, saw potential to awake the sleeping giant and made a calculated risk to purchase the club. If they didn't, they wouldn't have taken the risk to buy us in the first place, even if it was only for 200m.

      It wouldn't be true because we haven't reached the summer yet, so only time will tell.





      There has to be a maximum value, the point where the  TV revenue is as high as it is likely to get, the point where every possible form of sponsorship has been accomplished, and the point where they think they won't get more than a certain amount if they sold the club atc any point in the future.

      They most certainly did their due diligence, there was a leaked letter that said they could get us for a steal, and they did. An already established world wide brand like liverpool would always be to make a profit in than a Leicester City for example.

       By minimal risk I mean that by not investing their own money after the initial capital, they didn't stand to loose money.
      I'm glad you don't but into the whole saviour thing, American business men rarely are show sentiment when it comes money making.
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      Reply #24304: Feb 28, 2018 09:43:12 pm
      There has to be a maximum value, the point where the  TV revenue is as high as it is likely to get, the point where every possible form of sponsorship has been accomplished, and the point where they think they won't get more than a certain amount if they sold the club atc any point in the future.

      They most certainly did their due diligence, there was a leaked letter that said they could get us for a steal, and they did. An already established world wide brand like liverpool would always be to make a profit in than a Leicester City for example.

       By minimal risk I mean that by not investing their own money after the initial capital, they didn't stand to loose money.
      I'm glad you don't but into the whole saviour thing, American business men rarely are show sentiment when it comes money making.

      TV revenues won't stop, it will increase steadily from here till the next thousand years, that is if there won't be an alien invasion. No businessman or investor would tell you that they would reach peak and stop there. I think they are going to be here for a while and when the time comes and another investor is interested and presents a bid of the valuation that FSG is looking for then that's that.

      I read those emails, I agree with that they bought us at an undervalued price. Any investor would tell you they have a lot to lose when they purchase a company. Good thing he mentions Warren Buffet in those emails, who I admire a lot and read his essays, because even the Oracle of Omaha has stated many times that investments in clubs, companies, etc... are risks but you have to calculate risk and rarely anyone uses cash, purchases are mostly debt driven.

      They did invest in their own money to increase the stadium capacity albeit in an intercompany loan that charged no interest. Roman, Chelsea's owner does the same exact thing but he charges huge interest on those loans. I prefer that the club supports its self on it's own because it means that we have a solid foot financially.

      I'm not into cliches and romantics mate, even when it comes to Klopp. All I want to see, just like you and all others are results on and off the pitch. FSG are a sports company, they bought LFC because it would diversify their sports portfolio that's it and nothing more.

      So far we are doing well off and we are seeing progress on, so that's why i'm being optimistic. I'll also wait for this year's financial statements to come out as usual to read them and if I see something wrong I'll be the first one to be concerned, but so far so good and we are going in the right path.
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      Reply #24305: Feb 28, 2018 10:05:54 pm
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      Reply #24306: Feb 28, 2018 10:49:17 pm
      There has to be a maximum value, the point where the  TV revenue is as high as it is likely to get, the point where every possible form of sponsorship has been accomplished, and the point where they think they won't get more than a certain amount if they sold the club atc any point in the future.

      This is the most ridiculous thing I've read in a while.

      TV revenue is going to get a second wind when the digital sphere of broadcasting gets involved, and they will. I bet my arse you'll be watching a Premier League game on Twitter or Facebook etc. after the next negotiation of rights for broadcast.

      Sponsorship goes hand in hand with data from fans. As long as there are fans out there who are engaged with the club, sponsors will come knocking. It's all about sports and eSports for sponsors to collect that data and that means the money will keep flowing in.

      This thread has been the same for what must be five years or so. At that time i said they'd be here for the next decade when a lot of posters bought in to the idea that they were going to flip and sell. But here they are still five years later and no sign of selling and the usual suspects are pedaling the same nonsense.

      They're our owners for a while yet. Buckle up.
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      Reply #24307: Feb 28, 2018 11:15:01 pm
      This is the most ridiculous thing I've read in a while.

      TV revenue is going to get a second wind when the digital sphere of broadcasting gets involved, and they will. I bet my arse you'll be watching a Premier League game on Twitter or Facebook etc. after the next negotiation of rights for broadcast.

      Sponsorship goes hand in hand with data from fans. As long as there are fans out there who are engaged with the club, sponsors will come knocking. It's all about sports and eSports for sponsors to collect that data and that means the money will keep flowing in.

      This thread has been the same for what must be five years or so. At that time i said they'd be here for the next decade when a lot of posters bought in to the idea that they were going to flip and sell. But here they are still five years later and no sign of selling and the usual suspects are pedaling the same nonsense.

      They're our owners for a while yet. Buckle up.
      I understand what he is trying to say... You'll only get the full range of revenue so long as the club is successful... By this I mean their are plenty of kids growing up who have seen Arsenal, Utd,Chelsea and City successful in the Title race, Fa, and League Cups and there about in the CL... These thing sells Shirts, and other Merchandise and draw the attention from sponsors, Lick Nike, Adidas etc... If you look at Utd the have some of the biggest sponsorship deal in the PL. Why... because of recent successes. Useless we can start win trophies and titles again on a regular basis our fan base among the up and coming youngster will start to fall away, which will mean fewer shirt and merchandise sell which will mean we look less attractive to the bigger sponsors and so there will come appoint were we will see the value of the club along with it's TV, Sponorship deals and Merchandise sell max out..At which point FSG may move on
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      Reply #24308: Feb 28, 2018 11:50:39 pm
      I understand what he is trying to say... You'll only get the full range of revenue so long as the club is successful... By this I mean their are plenty of kids growing up who have seen Arsenal, Utd,Chelsea and City successful in the Title race, Fa, and League Cups and there about in the CL... These thing sells Shirts, and other Merchandise and draw the attention from sponsors, Lick Nike, Adidas etc... If you look at Utd the have some of the biggest sponsorship deal in the PL. Why... because of recent successes. Useless we can start win trophies and titles again on a regular basis our fan base among the up and coming youngster will start to fall away, which will mean fewer shirt and merchandise sell which will mean we look less attractive to the bigger sponsors and so there will come appoint were we will see the value of the club along with it's TV, Sponorship deals and Merchandise sell max out..At which point FSG may move on

      I know what he's saying but it's an extremely oversimplified view that is way off the mark.

      The equation of "winning things = more money" is rather archaic. Only one club can win something at a time in any competition. There are also many levels of success depending on the stature of a club. It's more about building a fan base that is highly engaged with the club and then hoping to experience the benefits that come with that. This is of course heightened when a club actually achieves success.

      The evolution of sporting brands over the past couple of years shows how clubs are still in their infancy in capitalising on sponsorship and fan engagement. It's also why you're seeing so much effort being put in to the digital mediums now. And whilst that's occurring, measuring the effectiveness of digital communications is still very difficult.

      The focus in the sporting world now is capturing attention, converting non-fans in to fans and then turning that in to transactional behaviour. Right now, no organisation in the world, let alone sporting club, is even close to maximising that potential.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #24309: Apr 18, 2018 12:57:51 pm
      Where have they gone?..not a squeak from the owners ;D
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      Reply #24310: Apr 18, 2018 01:13:47 pm
      Where have they gone?..not a squeak from the owners ;D

      Who cares where they are. Just pump in £200m of fresh transfer funds for the next window. And another £200m of new money for the winter window.
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      Reply #24311: Apr 18, 2018 02:29:43 pm
      Who cares where they are. Just pump in £200m of fresh transfer funds for the next window. And another £200m of new money for the winter window.

      Are they not even coming over for the European games? bloody hell even as a neutral you'd want to come over just to soak up that atmosphere.
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      Reply #24312: Apr 18, 2018 02:49:44 pm
      Are they not even coming over for the European games? bloody hell even as a neutral you'd want to come over just to soak up that atmosphere.

      Think they were over recently, sure I read it somewhere
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      Reply #24313: Apr 18, 2018 03:18:11 pm
      Who cares where they are. Just pump in £200m of fresh transfer funds for the next window. And another £200m of new money for the winter window.

      Exactly right!
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      Reply #24314: Apr 18, 2018 05:45:59 pm
      Where have they gone?..not a squeak from the owners ;D

      Or most of the people moaning about them
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      Reply #24315: Apr 19, 2018 12:00:49 am
      Are they not even coming over for the European games? bloody hell even as a neutral you'd want to come over just to soak up that atmosphere.

      We have been doing amazingly without them, why wreck a good thing?

      Stay the f**k away, just send money!!
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      Reply #24316: Apr 19, 2018 09:36:49 am
      Where have they gone?..not a squeak from the owners ;D

      They've been around, just wait for the next poor result and you'll notice some posters noticing them.
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      Reply #24317: Apr 20, 2018 03:19:10 pm
      https://www.totalsportek.com/money/uefa-champions-league-prize-money/

      Didn't know where to post this link but seems as good a place as any. Has anyone seen this?? I knew the money involved was big but didn't know it had gone to these levels! I heard the other day that Roma were already guaranteed 80mil Euros so we must be in and around that too?

      "English clubs will benefit the most with the new Market Pool distribution system and If an english club were to win the champions league in 2017-18 season they will earn more than €110 million (around €55m from performance based + another €50m/€60m with market pool)."

      And there's still a huge wedge left over from the Coutinho deal...


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      Reply #24318: Apr 23, 2018 03:34:06 pm
      Stick this in the corp thread cos it lacks any f**king passion about the game.Blah blah blah local rich guys.https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/04/22/high-stakes-european-soccer-match-made-boston/tx7MX3K1xmHLHoPMwhHBAJ/story.html#comments
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      Reply #24320: Apr 29, 2018 04:21:08 pm
       
      How the f**k can JWH&Co help/understand the community when they don't even understand football?

      They got the club for £200m after saving it from bankruptcy,
      They loaned the club the money to extend Anfield.
      Liverpool City Council are providing for the local community and that work continues.

      JWH&Co are not a charitable body and have stated they will not part with their own money in the running of LFC, the club will generate it's own funding.

      The FSG doubters have no reason to change tack.

      Sarah Whatsername is talking out of her arse.
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      Reply #24321: Apr 29, 2018 05:20:07 pm

      How the f**k can JWH&Co help/understand the community when they don't even understand football?

      They got the club for £200m after saving it from bankruptcy,
      They loaned the club the money to extend Anfield.
      Liverpool City Council are providing for the local community and that work continues.

      JWH&Co are not a charitable body and have stated they will not part with their own money in the running of LFC, the club will generate it's own funding.

      The FSG doubters have no reason to change tack.

      Sarah Whatsername is talking out of her arse.

      Did you even read the article?
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      Reply #24322: Apr 29, 2018 06:18:59 pm

      Of course I read the article and the inaccuracies were unbelievable.
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      Reply #24323: Apr 29, 2018 06:48:39 pm

      I suppose the difficulty of the regeneration of Anfield in the long run is not to turn it into a process of gentrification like what has happened in London and is now happening in Manchester. I'd hate to see Anfield become a haven for posh outsiders while the poorer but true Liverpudlians are moved to the outskirts of the city and beyond.

      The uniqueness of Liverpool's (and Everton's) place in the city is that they are still at the heart of the community and while the presence of the two clubs have caused problems for locals, the fact they are still where they've always been means that the opportunity to do good for the community is still very much there. Compare that to Manchester City and their empty 'home' on some scooped out industrial estate and they've instantly whitewashed any responsibility to provide for the community because there is none. And before anyone says, no - the Abu Dhabi Group's headline investment into a £1bn housing construction scheme by Manchester City Council which makes no provision for affordable housing, does not count as community investment. That's a mere ploy to further maximise the speed of gentrification happening across Manchester and to populate the city with their rich corrupt pals. Won't be long before Manchester is like London - owned by rich Russians and Arabs while those born and bred are shoved to the outskirts and beyond. Liverpool should never ever become like those two cities.
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      Reply #24324: Apr 30, 2018 12:18:53 am
      Grobbelaar will stir up a hornet's nest with this controversial shout?

      Liverpool owners urged to make The Kop 'Scousers only' - by European Cup winner

      Liverpool legend Bruce Grobbelaar believes owners Fenway Sports Group should make the Kop only for Scousers.

      The former Reds keeper, who was back at Anfield for the first leg of the Champions League semi-final with Roma, says the atmosphere at games would be improved if those 12,000 seats were always filled by supporters from the city.


      "On the European nights, the corporate fans from overseas can’t get tickets," Grobbelaar said.

      "It’s mainly local fans there - that’s why the atmosphere is so great and the passion is so strong.

      "For Premier League games, you get people coming from all over, paying big money to get into the games as part of a weekend away.

      "I’d like to see the whole of the Kop just for people from Liverpool. Then you’ll find that the singing lasts for 90 minutes. It’s something for the owners to listen to."

      European Cup winner Grobbelaar is a fan of current Liverpool No 1 Loris Karius, who has grasped his chance since replacing Simon Mignolet in January.

      "Karius has been the one for me from the start," he told the ECHO.

      "I watched him when he was at Mainz. I could see why Jürgen Klopp wanted him.

      "When he first came here he didn’t play the same way as he did at Mainz. Now he’s getting back to that.

      "Things have improved defensively since Virgil Van Dijk came in. Trent Alexander-Arnold is absolutely superb and Andy Robertson has been a revelation.

      "We have got some good young defenders. Maybe we'll see centre-back partnership of Van Dijk with Joe Gomez come pre-season.

      "The keeper who I believe should still be at Liverpool is Pepe Reina. He went too soon."

      https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-owners-urged-make-kop-14592070



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      Reply #24325: Apr 30, 2018 12:46:06 am
      As a foreigner, out of towner, yank b***ard, etc.....it would make perfect sense to me that you’d want to keep the Kop mostly local. Now I’d certainly love the chance to stand on the Kop one day but for me, being anywhere in the ground would be fine, hell stick me in the away fans section ;D
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      Reply #24326: Apr 30, 2018 08:03:30 am
      Grobbelaar will stir up a hornet's nest with this controversial shout?

      Liverpool owners urged to make The Kop 'Scousers only' - by European Cup winner

      Liverpool legend Bruce Grobbelaar believes owners Fenway Sports Group should make the Kop only for Scousers.

      The former Reds keeper, who was back at Anfield for the first leg of the Champions League semi-final with Roma, says the atmosphere at games would be improved if those 12,000 seats were always filled by supporters from the city.


      "On the European nights, the corporate fans from overseas can’t get tickets," Grobbelaar said.

      "It’s mainly local fans there - that’s why the atmosphere is so great and the passion is so strong.

      "For Premier League games, you get people coming from all over, paying big money to get into the games as part of a weekend away.

      "I’d like to see the whole of the Kop just for people from Liverpool. Then you’ll find that the singing lasts for 90 minutes. It’s something for the owners to listen to."

      European Cup winner Grobbelaar is a fan of current Liverpool No 1 Loris Karius, who has grasped his chance since replacing Simon Mignolet in January.

      "Karius has been the one for me from the start," he told the ECHO.

      "I watched him when he was at Mainz. I could see why Jürgen Klopp wanted him.

      "When he first came here he didn’t play the same way as he did at Mainz. Now he’s getting back to that.

      "Things have improved defensively since Virgil Van Dijk came in. Trent Alexander-Arnold is absolutely superb and Andy Robertson has been a revelation.

      "We have got some good young defenders. Maybe we'll see centre-back partnership of Van Dijk with Joe Gomez come pre-season.

      "The keeper who I believe should still be at Liverpool is Pepe Reina. He went too soon."

      https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-owners-urged-make-kop-14592070





      Don’t agree at all. Liverpool is for everyone as is The Kop
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #24327: Apr 30, 2018 08:24:20 am
      Don’t agree at all. Liverpool is for everyone as is The Kop
      Grobbelaar isn't even  Scouse himself and a he's no legend with the garbage he constantly comes out with.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #24328: Apr 30, 2018 09:25:45 am
       
      Grobbelaar will stir up a hornet's nest with this controversial shout?

      Liverpool owners urged to make The Kop 'Scousers only' - by European Cup winner

      Liverpool legend Bruce Grobbelaar believes owners Fenway Sports Group should make the Kop only for Scousers.

      The former Reds keeper, who was back at Anfield for the first leg of the Champions League semi-final with Roma, says the atmosphere at games would be improved if those 12,000 seats were always filled by supporters from the city.


      "On the European nights, the corporate fans from overseas can’t get tickets," Grobbelaar said.

      "It’s mainly local fans there - that’s why the atmosphere is so great and the passion is so strong.

      "For Premier League games, you get people coming from all over, paying big money to get into the games as part of a weekend away.

      "I’d like to see the whole of the Kop just for people from Liverpool. Then you’ll find that the singing lasts for 90 minutes. It’s something for the owners to listen to."

      European Cup winner Grobbelaar is a fan of current Liverpool No 1 Loris Karius, who has grasped his chance since replacing Simon Mignolet in January.

      "Karius has been the one for me from the start," he told the ECHO.

      "I watched him when he was at Mainz. I could see why Jürgen Klopp wanted him.

      "When he first came here he didn’t play the same way as he did at Mainz. Now he’s getting back to that.

      "Things have improved defensively since Virgil Van Dijk came in. Trent Alexander-Arnold is absolutely superb and Andy Robertson has been a revelation.

      "We have got some good young defenders. Maybe we'll see centre-back partnership of Van Dijk with Joe Gomez come pre-season.

      "The keeper who I believe should still be at Liverpool is Pepe Reina. He went too soon."

      https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-owners-urged-make-kop-14592070
      Yep,hornets nest indeed,not going to give it much thought myself.
      Plenty of fans across the globe travel hundreds of miles and some even hundreds of thousands of miles to see the reds play,they should not be excluded from getting a ticket & sitting on the kop because they are not scousers,I'm a scouser born & bred and to me It shouldn't be about  where you are from.
      What's next ,Irish,Scottish ,Welsh etc only seating ....the only segregation I want to see is what we currently have
      & that being the away end separate from the home support even though us reds get hold of tickets for that section of the ground. :lmao:
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #24329: Apr 30, 2018 11:04:50 am
      Don’t agree at all. Liverpool is for everyone as is The Kop

      Except bluenoses and mancs ;)

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