NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

What - the record of none investment by FSG?
Can you provide any record whatever of tangible investment in the years FSG have been here and creamed the club??

Acquired for a gift of £260m now worth over £1bn purely generated on the reputation and history of this great club,  built by people willing to sacrifice and support what it stands for - not sit in an office thousands of miles away contemplating interest rates.

one figure puts the value at £1.4 billion so who is the winner here?
The feel good factor is ALL DOWN TO Jürgen not FSG last season with more investment in the squad we could have done even better but at time Jürgen was down to the bare bones compared to City for example who's owners have given Pep a squad with two quality players for each position and its cost them over £700mil half of what LFC is currently worth. Whilst really liking our signings so far this window its not over yet and players will leave to balance some of the spending.

Sorry but what sell to buy policy would that be, oh you mean selling one player, Countinho, and buying 5 players, 2 of whom are the most expensive in their respective positions, VVD, Fabinho, Keita, Shaquiri and Allison? If that's what you mean then I quite like that policy, long may it continue. :-)

Or the selling Suarez and buying Lambert and Mario perhaps?
If FSG are now finally focused on improving the team then great, that's all I wanted from them in the first place. Long may that continue!

‘Apart from a loan for Anfield’. There it is again, Stuey dismissing anything positive the owners do.

And I think it’s safe to say it’s a long term investment for them since they’ve been here 10 years now Stu.

10 years! Maybe time for you to change the record?

Stuey has a valid point... Take Coutinho. Was that not what FSG is all about, Buy young and Cheap with resalable value...

Did they not build the new stand with the intention of putting up the ticket price...?

If Coutinho had remained would we have bought Keita,VVD,Fabinho,Shaqiri, Allison or would it have been just Fabinho and Shaqiri...? and if you want anyone else sell first...?

The fact that they have apparently loosen the purse strings is very welcomed, But I would like to see if they can spend big without having to sell, if we identify a player we need, and are willing to do so on a regular basis. Because at this moment in time all it feel's like is that they have not spent for years and only just started to save some of the money they have acquired over that time in order to appease the supporters and manager   

Don’t all top clubs sell top players of high value & then re invest with more quality players?..

I think the owners should be praised for re investing the Couthino money in the quality players we have seen since..

We were signing nobody’s with the Suarez money because we couldn’t get anyone else, we tried to get Sanchez, it didn’t happen, he rejected us.

Find it strange how anyone can try to pick fault with the owners this summer. We’ve spent near on 200mill, getting a 50mill refurbishment, we’ve not long had a stadium expansion.

And who was it who had the say in how the Suarez money was spent..?

As I implied before; It is all great that they spent 200mil plus this summer,Coutinho money and all but I will wait watch over next couple of seasons before we will see how committed they really are

Don’t all top clubs sell top players of high value & then re invest with more quality players?..

I think the owners should be praised for re investing the Couthino money in the quality players we have seen since..

Contradict yourself there a bit shabs.

Saying don't all clubs do it but then want them praised for reinvesting the clubs money and doing "what all top clubs do"

No praise from.me for spending our own money no

They are doing a what any investors do.. nothing beyond and to be fair nothing less

But I'm not jumping to praise them for the basics no

And who was it who had the said of how the Suarez money was spent..?

As I implied before; It is all great that they spent 200mil plus this summer,Coutinho money and all but I will wait watch over next couple of seasons before we will see how committed they really are

Commitment isn't the issue here.
They've  been here nearly 10 years and have grown us slowly.. they're committed

I wouldn't hold your breath on another 200m summer though unless we sell someone for coutinho type money again

Don’t all top clubs sell top players of high value & then re invest with more quality players?..

I think the owners should be praised for re investing the Couthino money in the quality players we have seen since..

You are right, credit where credit is due...

Here is where I have problems.

Would we have splash the cash of VVD had we not sold Coutinho...?
Personally, I think not

Contradict yourself there a bit shabs.

Saying don't all clubs do it but then want them praised for reinvesting the clubs money and doing "what all top clubs do"

No praise from.me for spending our own money no

They are doing a what any investors do.. nothing beyond and to be fair nothing less

But I'm not jumping to praise them for the basics no

Commitment isn't the issue here.
They've  been here nearly 10 years and have grown us slowly.. they're committed

I wouldn't hold your breath on another 200m summer though unless we sell someone for coutinho type money again

they're committed Yes they are, but what are they committed to....The Club,Supporters, and their pockets..? Or, just their Pockets..? 

Contradict yourself there a bit shabs.

Saying don't all clubs do it but then want them praised for reinvesting the clubs money and doing "what all top clubs do"

No praise from.me for spending our own money no

They are doing a what any investors do.. nothing beyond and to be fair nothing less

But I'm not jumping to praise them for the basics no

Commitment isn't the issue here.
They've  been here nearly 10 years and have grown us slowly.. they're committed

I wouldn't hold your breath on another 200m summer though unless we sell someone for coutinho type money again

I've been critical of FSG in the past for not moving quick enough on players that would help us reach winning the title & challenge in Europe, That's changed now since Klopp has arrived, maybe they were reluctant to spend big money whilst Rodgers was in charge?.. Edwards is still onboard and seems to be moving at a much desired pace & only going for Klopps primary targets & not fill ins..

I would be worried if the monies from Phil were not re invested or used elsewhere or to pay off loans..

FSG becoming the owners I hope they would be..

I don’t know the financial rules, but I thought owners of European teams weren’t allowed to invest a bunch of their own money due to FFP?

Isn’t that what PSG ran afoul of?

Is there any bigger circular debate than the one on this thread?

I'm comfortable with valid supporters having difference of opinion on it.

For me, FSG are not H&G, but are not Abrahamovich or the Man City/PSG sheikhs. But is the latter all bad?

Question: For the owners of those three clubs (Chelsea, Man City and PSG), who seemingly can pour unlimited (or close to it) resources into the playing staffs of their respective clubs, without much or any concern about revenues in, how do we all feel about how all of those hundreds of millions of dollars were generated? Are we comfortable with the idea of that being how funding for Liverpool players is generated?

 

Again thats a little stretch for me

We have completely middle of the road owners who use the clubs finances on the club to grow their investment

It's just we have vastly bigger resources than your Burnleys to make it work within that model

And importantly a big German genius

Out of interest who would you say are good or great owners, just for comparison.

You are right, credit where credit is due...

Here is where I have problems.

Would we have splash the cash of VVD had we not sold Coutinho...?
Personally, I think not

Yes but so what, what does it matter? we did sell Coutinho, we did get a sh*t load of cash for him and did invest it very very well, what's not to like? It's like you are just desperately trying to find the cloud in a huge ring of silver, its a bit weird ;-)

Is there any bigger circular debate than the one on this thread?

I'm comfortable with valid supporters having difference of opinion on it.

For me, FSG are not H&G, but are not Abrahamovich or the Man City/PSG sheikhs. But is the latter all bad?

Question: For the owners of those three clubs (Chelsea, Man City and PSG), who seemingly can pour unlimited (or close to it) resources into the playing staffs of their respective clubs, without much or any concern about revenues in, how do we all feel about how all of those hundreds of millions of dollars were generated? Are we comfortable with the idea of that being how funding for Liverpool players is generated?

 

Spot on, I would much rather win with our owners than some Russian mafia goon or Oil sheik who is spending Daddy's "hard fought" money instead of investing that money on helping his own people.

And who was it who had the said of how the Suarez money was spent..?

As I implied before; It is all great that they spent 200mil plus this summer,Coutinho money and all but I will wait watch over next couple of seasons before we will see how committed they really are

First part doesn’t really make much sense, but if you are asking who had the say of how it was spent? Well we tried to sign Sanchez but he turned us down, we spent all of the Suarez money that summer, we spent it very badly, but it was spent. Maybe if BR had gone with the transfer committee more often then he’d have been better off. Instead he was messing around demanding Benteke as a compromise for Firmino...obviously that wasn’t the Suarez year but it’s a good example.

Commitment clearly isn’t an issue with them, they’ve been here 8 years. If they were looking for a way out then they’d have done so by now, instead they are adding more and more value onto the club which will only make it harder for someone to come in and buy off them. They’ve been here nearly 10 years, I wouldn’t be surprised if they are still here in another 8-10 years.

I don’t know the financial rules, but I thought owners of European teams weren’t allowed to invest a bunch of their own money due to FFP?

Isn’t that what PSG ran afoul of?

FSG have a get out jail free card,  they've spent none of their own money after buying the club for £260m.

FSG have a get out jail free card,  they've spent none of their own money after buying the club for £260m.

Were you or are you genuinely expecting them to?

How many club owners do? Please research it and let me know

FSG have a get out jail free card,  they've spent none of their own money after buying the club for £260m.

We get it stu...that's the only thing that you can say over and over and over and over (and over) again.

FSG haven't spent any of their own money. Yes, we get it, they haven't, they never said they were, but you are right they haven't. I don't think there's a soul on this forum that is making the argument that FSG is spending their own money, so you can tell the parrot that's taken over your account to take a nap, we all understand.

My point is that I thought FFP made it so that owners weren't allowed to just pump their own money into the club, only spending what the club generates? At this point, if the debate is about expenditure on signings or the stadium or the financial stability of the club, then it's ludicrous to sit here and continue crying about them not putting in their own money as we are currently in a pretty good position breaking club record transfer fees for defenders and goalkeepers.

If you want to fire guns at FSG, then we could find some worthwhile causes like the the deal with Tibet Water Resources or with our kit sponsor Standard Chartered and their supposed unethical business practices. I would think the folks that would hold up Liverpool Football Club as a proud champion of socialism would be appalled that we are sponsored by a large, unethical bank? 

Commitment clearly isn’t an issue with them, they’ve been here 8 years. If they were looking for a way out then they’d have done so by now, instead they are adding more and more value onto the club which will only make it harder for someone to come in and buy off them. They’ve been here nearly 10 years, I wouldn’t be surprised if they are still here in another 8-10 years.

Why should they abandon a very viable, self-funding asset guaranteed to increase in value year on year with no financial input needed.

We get it stu...that's the only thing that you can say over and over and over and over (and over) again.

FSG haven't spent any of their own money. Yes, we get it, they haven't, they never said they were, but you are right they haven't. I don't think there's a soul on this forum that is making the argument that FSG is spending their own money, so you can tell the parrot that's taken over your account to take a nap, we all understand.

My point is that I thought FFP made it so that owners weren't allowed to just pump their own money into the club, only spending what the club generates? At this point, if the debate is about expenditure on signings or the stadium or the financial stability of the club, then it's ludicrous to sit here and continue crying about them not putting in their own money as we are currently in a pretty good position breaking club record transfer fees for defenders and goalkeepers.

If you want to fire guns at FSG, then we could find some worthwhile causes like the the deal with Tibet Water Resources or with our kit sponsor Standard Chartered and their supposed unethical business practices. I would think the folks that would hold up Liverpool Football Club as a proud champion of socialism would be appalled that we are sponsored by a large, unethical bank? 

Not to clear on the FFP rule as it has been relaxed somewhat recently.

You appear to be rambling in your effort to unburden FSG of any financial responsibility in the case of LFC.
Are parrots, Tibet, socialism and unethical banks really any part of this discussion?

Yes but so what, what does it matter? we did sell Coutinho, we did get a sh*t load of cash for him and did invest it very very well, what's not to like? It's like you are just desperately trying to find the cloud in a huge ring of silver, its a bit weird ;-)

How long ago did we sell Suarez...? 4 years...? Coutinho January 2018, So we have to wait roughly 4 years before we can find a player to attract a club big enough to pay for the next great thing we find, before they (FSG) will splash the cash again...? Maybe Brewster will fit that bill in the next 3-4 year and we will get 200mil plus

"It's like you are just desperately trying to find the cloud in a huge ring of silver, its a bit weird ;-)"
 
Or is it like being thrown a piece of meat to get excited over along with the usual dog biscuits we are use to..?

I want FSG to show we can get regular pieces or meat with those dog biscuits and not just every  three or four years when it pleases them

First part doesn’t really make much sense, but if you are asking who had the say of how it was spent? Well we tried to sign Sanchez but he turned us down, we spent all of the Suarez money that summer, we spent it very badly, but it was spent. Maybe if BR had gone with the transfer committee more often then he’d have been better off. Instead he was messing around demanding Benteke as a compromise for Firmino...obviously that wasn’t the Suarez year but it’s a good example.

Commitment clearly isn’t an issue with them, they’ve been here 8 years. If they were looking for a way out then they’d have done so by now, instead they are adding more and more value onto the club which will only make it harder for someone to come in and buy off them. They’ve been here nearly 10 years, I wouldn’t be surprised if they are still here in another 8-10 years.

Yes sorry about that, I tend to rush things and never really proof read what i have written...

The point i was trying to make was that the signings were in a way still down to FSG and the Transfer Commit and so we never really saw the type of players the then manager wanted, nor were there and real effort to secure them being made (Deli Ali springs to mind) there were and unwillingness to go that extra mile to secure target

I believe that FSG now trust Klopp to make the signings

Catching up on the last few pages has given me a big chuckle, so not a bad start to the week. But why is FSG not spending their own money on the team a bad thing? Not sure why we'd want to have transfer fees, wages, etc beyond what the team can pay for and needing external funding to maintain operations. That does not strike me as a good position to be in