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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      Reply #24449: Jul 30, 2018 07:52:32 pm
      Wrong.
      Check it out.
      I was as made up as anyone on the forum when FSG took over but the years of disappointment kicked in and lead to a sense of cynicism which is taking some time to dispel.

      Soz.. 7 years then

      It's been a long boring copy and paste time we've all lead
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      Reply #24450: Jul 30, 2018 08:04:06 pm
      Soz.. 7 years then

      It's been a long boring copy and paste time we've all lead

      Be fair mate, it's only this ( and maybe last season where FSG have looked like building a trophy challenging squad was important to them. Should Stuey have just moaned at the start, then spoke no more about it fair 8 years?
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      Reply #24451: Jul 30, 2018 08:21:21 pm
      Be fair mate, it's only this ( and maybe last season where FSG have looked like building a trophy challenging squad was important to them. Should Stuey have just moaned at the start, then spoke no more about it fair 8 years?

      Again I'm no fsg backer whatsoever but don't you think he could drop it?

      He just moans that they don't put their own money in. They never said they would? Then when questioned about who does he just says the obvious of the oil led clubs.
      It's normal practice what fsg do yet he still moans about it day in day out when it's what they said they'd do from day one
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      Reply #24452: Jul 30, 2018 09:34:45 pm
      Again I'm no fsg backer whatsoever but don't you think he could drop it?

      He just moans that they don't put their own money in. They never said they would? Then when questioned about who does he just says the obvious of the oil led clubs.
      It's normal practice what fsg do yet he still moans about it day in day out when it's what they said they'd do from day one

      He makes the point that we were bought as a business investment first and foremost. Investment in players, Proper investment like were seeing now, has been a long time coming.
      From a supporters view, it has looked like FSG were solely focused on growing their investment, with a token "decent player" thrown in occasionally among the bargain basement potential to appease the fans.

      My own view, and I'm sure Stuey would concur, was that I wanted to see a priority on getting the players in that would win us trophies, having the success first then moving on to stadium expansion and upgraded training facilities.

      Now we're at the point where we have an increased capacity and training facility in the pipe line, and hopefully on the verge of great things on the field which offs the most important thing to all/most fans.
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      Reply #24453: Jul 30, 2018 09:40:01 pm
      Again I'm no fsg backer whatsoever but don't you think he could drop it?

      He just moans that they don't put their own money in. They never said they would? Then when questioned about who does he just says the obvious of the oil led clubs.
      It's normal practice what fsg do yet he still moans about it day in day out when it's what they said they'd do from day one

      So you're happy and can see no wrong in FSG's methods in spite of claiming you had reservations about the way they operate.
      You ask for examples of owners who put their hands in their pockets and refuse to accept the candidates because of the way they come by their fortunes, I'm willing to bet FSG have oil interests in their portfolio.
      You have an agenda displayed by your refusal to check out my post during the 8 years of their tenure, if you did you would know it is only the last few years that any doubt has prevailed.

      Klopp is a winner and should be backed unreservedly.
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      Reply #24454: Jul 30, 2018 09:40:18 pm

      My own view, and I'm sure Stuey would concur, was that I wanted to see a priority on getting the players in that would win us trophies, having the success first then moving on to stadium expansion and upgraded training facilities.

      Now we're at the point where we have an increased capacity and training facility in the pipe line, and hopefully on the verge of great things on the field which offs the most important thing to all/most fans.

      Exactly my view too

      Stuey though just bangs in about them not putting their own money in day in day out
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      Reply #24455: Jul 30, 2018 09:43:48 pm
      So you're happy and can see no wrong in FSG's methods

      Where have I said that? You not read so well?

      I asked because we all know the answer about who put their own money in.. we don't have that type of owners nor does 95% of football clubs world wide.

      Look.. criticise them all you like for the things they have done that is off the mark.. I do that.
      But your one and only tune is about them not reaching in their own pockets when A they always said they wouldn't..  and B 95% of football clubs owners world wide don't either
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      Reply #24456: Jul 30, 2018 10:06:02 pm
      He makes the point that we were bought as a business investment first and foremost. Investment in players, Proper investment like were seeing now, has been a long time coming.
      From a supporters view, it has looked like FSG were solely focused on growing their investment, with a token "decent player" thrown in occasionally among the bargain basement potential to appease the fans.

      My own view, and I'm sure Stuey would concur, was that I wanted to see a priority on getting the players in that would win us trophies, having the success first then moving on to stadium expansion and upgraded training facilities.

      Now we're at the point where we have an increased capacity and training facility in the pipe line, and hopefully on the verge of great things on the field which offs the most important thing to all/most fans.

      By growing their investment they have now decided to go for the calibre of personal their investment allows, which is the correct method...
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      Reply #24457: Jul 30, 2018 10:08:46 pm

      Stuey though just bangs in about them not putting their own money in day in day out

      ….and creaming the profits.


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      Reply #24458: Jul 30, 2018 10:10:35 pm
      ….and creaming the profits.




      Any proof of that?

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      Reply #24459: Jul 30, 2018 10:19:53 pm
      The successful model that is LFC existed before H&G fu**ed it up and brought the club to the brink of bankruptcy, LFC was always capable of self-perpetuity in a financial sense, to say FSG are the creators or are responsible for LFC's status or reputation is very naive.



      I've got to disagree with that. In the 1990s we stagnated and went nowhere off the pitch. We had a 'successful model' that had worked for us in the 1970s and the 1980s and we stubbornly refused to adapt to the changing world around us. Whilst our rivals (Man Utd especially) saw the opportunities that increased commercialism gave top clubs, we sat on our backsides in the naïve belief that - because we are Liverpool - everything would sort itself out and take care of itself. It was a hugely complacent and slightly arrogant way of looking at things and it hurt us for many years to come.

      FSG are not 'the creators or responsible for LFC's status or reputation' but they have begun to tap into the massive global potential that none of our previous owners have ever seriously bothered to take on. With the internet and ever increasing access to different parts of the globe, the potential is massive. What FSG are doing is giving us a platform so that we can compete commercially with the likes of Man Utd, Madrid, Barcelona etc

      ….and creaming the profits.

      Can you actually evidence that statement? In terms of the accounts published by the club etc - what exactly have they 'creamed'?
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      Reply #24460: Jul 30, 2018 10:32:16 pm
      My own view, and I'm sure Stuey would concur, was that I wanted to see a priority on getting the players in that would win us trophies, having the success first then moving on to stadium expansion and upgraded training facilities.
      I think the way they went about it was the right way to be honest. The demand for tickets at Anfield is huge - expanding the stadium was guaranteed to generate millions extra every season. That gives us the revenue to go out and buy better players. It enables us to offer higher wages so we can do things like what we have done this summer, giving Salah an extension on his contract.

      Doing it the other way - buying quality players before developing the infrastructure within the club - is a much bigger risk. There's no guarantee that any player will be a success when joining a new club, there's the risk of injuries, and there's also the risk of what happened with Suarez, Coutinho, Sterling etc - they are a success but because we don't have the infrastructure to match the wages offered by Man City / Barcelona etc, they get very itchy feet.
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      Reply #24461: Jul 30, 2018 10:47:02 pm
      By growing their investment they have now decided to go for the calibre of personal their investment allows, which is the correct method...

      There was a time when the money received from star players sales, was used to buy players that might become good enough some day, instead of the calibre of players we needed to instantly replaced those that left.
      We were a whisker away from a league title, then Suarez left and we spread the money out on big'ish money signings like Lallana ( fair enough), Lovren (seemed like a good idea at the time), Markovic ( they saw us coming there), and we skimped on the are that bought us the most success by bringing in Balotelli and Lambert.
      Yes we tried for Sanchez, but that window was a backwards step.
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      Reply #24462: Jul 30, 2018 10:55:08 pm
      I think the way they went about it was the right way to be honest. The demand for tickets at Anfield is huge - expanding the stadium was guaranteed to generate millions extra every season. That gives us the revenue to go out and buy better players. It enables us to offer higher wages so we can do things like what we have done this summer, giving Salah an extension on his contract.

      Doing it the other way - buying quality players before developing the infrastructure within the club - is a much bigger risk. There's no guarantee that any player will be a success when joining a new club, there's the risk of injuries, and there's also the risk of what happened with Suarez, Coutinho, Sterling etc - they are a success but because we don't have the infrastructure to match the wages offered by Man City / Barcelona etc, they get very itchy feet.


      I get what you're saying, but if you look at Chelsea and City for example. They focused on building title winning teams first. The success they achieved allowed them to grow their brand and increase their revenues through sponsorship and the huge number of plastic fans they suddenly acquired.
      We could've done likewise, though obviously our financial clout didn't match there's since our owners wouldn't spend their own money 😁
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      Reply #24463: Jul 30, 2018 11:07:39 pm
      There was a time when the money received from star players sales, was used to buy players that might become good enough some day, instead of the calibre of players we needed to instantly replaced those that left.
      We were a whisker away from a league title, then Suarez left and we spread the money out on big'ish money signings like Lallana ( fair enough), Lovren (seemed like a good idea at the time), Markovic ( they saw us coming there), and we skimped on the are that bought us the most success by bringing in Balotelli and Lambert.
      Yes we tried for Sanchez, but that window was a backwards step.

      Yes, that is all correct but I'd ask how much of that was under the owners' control? The plan was not to sell Suarez - Rodgers has been very clear on that in recent years … if he hadn't bitten the Italian lad at the World Cup, he would have still been at Liverpool the following season. Once he bit the Italian, realistically he needed to be sold. FSG had no control over that. Similarly, replacing Suarez - how many players of a similar calibre to Suarez were available and wanted to join us? We wanted Sanchez and I think we tried very hard to get him but ultimately he saw Arsenal as a bigger club … again, is that something the owners had control over?
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      Reply #24464: Jul 30, 2018 11:07:40 pm
      I get what you're saying, but if you look at Chelsea and City for example. They focused on building title winning teams first. The success they achieved allowed them to grow their brand and increase their revenues through sponsorship and the huge number of plastic fans they suddenly acquired.
      We could've done likewise, though obviously our financial clout didn't match there's since our owners wouldn't spend their own money 😁

      True OR....quite honestly i would rather be where we are now then Chelsea...that ship is teetering and it's foundation is built on straw as it stands. Truly they have the trophies but there is no soul at that club and a little nudge in the wrong direction could see them spiral out of control. City is a different story they pumped in a ton of money but they also spent a lot of it on infrastructure and long term ideas that will last beyond all the money spent on transfers.
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      Reply #24465: Jul 30, 2018 11:17:55 pm
      I get what you're saying, but if you look at Chelsea and City for example. They focused on building title winning teams first. The success they achieved allowed them to grow their brand and increase their revenues through sponsorship and the huge number of plastic fans they suddenly acquired.
      We could've done likewise, though obviously our financial clout didn't match there's since our owners wouldn't spend their own money 😁

      I think it boils down to the fact that their owners are immensely more wealthy than ours. Ours are very wealthy when compared to normal people with normal jobs, but they're not in the same league as City and Chelsea's owners.

      According to the Sunday Times, John W Henry is the 12th richest owner of football teams in England … first place is the Sheikh at City and second place is Abramovich
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      Reply #24466: Jul 30, 2018 11:23:44 pm
      Yes, that is all correct but I'd ask how much of that was under the owners' control? The plan was not to sell Suarez - Rodgers has been very clear on that in recent years … if he hadn't bitten the Italian lad at the World Cup, he would have still been at Liverpool the following season. Once he bit the Italian, realistically he needed to be sold. FSG had no control over that. Similarly, replacing Suarez - how many players of a similar calibre to Suarez were available and wanted to join us?


      We wanted Sanchez and I think we tried very hard to get him but ultimately he saw Arsenal as a bigger club … again, is that something the owners had control over?

      ...and as fate would have it Sanchez's women didn't want to move to the dank Dark North West of England.

      Then.

      When United later came calling a couple of years at half a million squid a week that was a different matter. Who gives a f**k where she was going to buy her handbags.

      Sanchez? A two faced fail of a journeyman with no loyalty.

      We dodged a bullet with him.
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      Reply #24467: Jul 30, 2018 11:27:46 pm

      Oh god, yes … no arguments there!
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      Reply #24468: Jul 30, 2018 11:33:19 pm
      I get what you're saying, but if you look at Chelsea and City for example. They focused on building title winning teams first. The success they achieved allowed them to grow their brand and increase their revenues through sponsorship and the huge number of plastic fans they suddenly acquired.
      We could've done likewise, though obviously our financial clout didn't match there's since our owners wouldn't spend their own money 😁
      Was going to say just that after read his post, and would have said the same
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      Reply #24469: Jul 30, 2018 11:37:09 pm
      FSG have to be praised and admired for the way they have gone about things culminating in a serious transfer window this summer.
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      Reply #24470: Jul 30, 2018 11:39:58 pm
      I think it boils down to the fact that their owners are immensely more wealthy than ours. Ours are very wealthy when compared to normal people with normal jobs, but they're not in the same league as City and Chelsea's owners.

      According to the Sunday Times, John W Henry is the 12th richest owner of football teams in England … first place is the Sheikh at City and second place is Abramovich

      We were not asking for FSG to match what Roman and the Sheikh were spending, merely to spend more that Mike Ashley was spending
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      Reply #24471: Jul 31, 2018 12:57:32 am
      We were not asking for FSG to match what Roman and the Sheikh were spending, merely to spend more that Mike Ashley was spending

      So what you are saying that Ashley spent more money than FSG & made Newcastle less successful than LFC..

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