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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      Reply #24450: Jul 19, 2018 10:13:24 am
      the past is the past and we cant replay those seasons. So far we seem to be buying players in positions the fans have been crying out to strengthen for some time and its looking really good so far.
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      Reply #24451: Jul 19, 2018 10:38:09 am
      Can you not just say that for the last 12 months or so they've become the exact owners I wanted?
      But it took a long time and a fair few mistakes and learning for them to get there?
      That's my view anyway

      That's a completely fair assessment
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      Reply #24452: Jul 19, 2018 10:38:29 am
      Can you not just say that for the last 12 months or so they've become the exact owners I wanted?
      But it took a long time and a fair few mistakes and learning for them to get there?
      That's my view anyway

      Bullshit. You went f**king bananas only a few months ago, kicking off at anyone who suggested that FSG would invest in the team.

      But nice way to rewrite history into them being your perfect owners over the last 12 months 👍👍
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      Reply #24453: Jul 19, 2018 10:51:24 am
      Bullshit. You went f**king bananas only a few months ago, kicking off at anyone who suggested that FSG would invest in the team.

      But nice way to rewrite history into them being your perfect owners over the last 12 months 👍👍

      I said they needed to.. (invest)

      What I'm saying is that over the  last 12 months they've become the type of owners I want..
      If you want to go back and look at the praise I've given them over the last 12 months or so.. I've praised them when I feel they've deserved it ( over the stadium renovation and keeping me at Anfield etc, giving the manager a 7 year deal etc etc) but they needed to show they will push the boat and give us a squad to compete, they're doing that now (literally now, since last summer really ie the last 12 months) so I'm happy to praise them, it's not rewriting history it's giving them praise when they deserve it..
      We dont need to go over the previous 6 years before that where there have been so many mistakes before that, that would be rewriting history to forget them.

      But where we are right now, over the last 12 months they have become the type of owners I want and we deserve

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      Reply #24454: Jul 19, 2018 11:24:29 am
      This thread is remarkably quiet given the activity in recent weeks.....

      Thankfully the activity in the transfer market is seen by the majority as a vast improvement to the preceding seasons under FSG.
      The 'keeper situation is an example, if a credible replacement had been installed in the first place when Pepe left how much better would the club's situation be?
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      Reply #24455: Jul 19, 2018 12:05:05 pm
      Praise owners of LFC for doing what owners of LFC should be doing...?
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      Reply #24456: Jul 19, 2018 01:50:58 pm
      Cant complain this time around. We look strong in most areas now, perhaps Fekir away from complete?

      If that ones off the table are we settling for Lovren/Matip/Klavan as VVD partner?
      « Last Edit: Jul 19, 2018 01:55:18 pm by fields of anny rd »
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      Reply #24457: Jul 19, 2018 11:02:24 pm
      👏 FSG. Now don't pull an FSG and f**k it all up again! 🙏  If we sign Fekir next without selling a star player, I'll remove the fatwa against them! 😀
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      Reply #24458: Jul 20, 2018 02:11:19 pm
      I said they needed to.. (invest)

      What I'm saying is that over the  last 12 months they've become the type of owners I want..
      If you want to go back and look at the praise I've given them over the last 12 months or so.. I've praised them when I feel they've deserved it ( over the stadium renovation and keeping me at Anfield etc, giving the manager a 7 year deal etc etc) but they needed to show they will push the boat and give us a squad to compete, they're doing that now (literally now, since last summer really ie the last 12 months) so I'm happy to praise them, it's not rewriting history it's giving them praise when they deserve it..
      We dont need to go over the previous 6 years before that where there have been so many mistakes before that, that would be rewriting history to forget them.

      But where we are right now, over the last 12 months they have become the type of owners I want and we deserve
      The delusional Liverpool relic clinging to former glories with blinders on.
      Lets relive a few facts that led to to the Fenway Group involvement:
      -Team flirting with relegation
      -Team approaching bankruptcy
      -Team pretending to be relevant as London + Manchester teams marched past
      Post acquisition:
      -Slow build while financials restored
      -Multiple coaching try-outs
      -Buying on-the-rise players the Big Teams passed on
      Then......
      -Catching lightning in a bottle occasionally
      -Expanding revenue base
      -Solidifying financials
      -Buying proven players now
      Status Restored
      But...the knuckle draggers who believe Rome was built in a day and the Fenway Group have only become the "right kind of owner" in the last 12 months clearly have attention spans of 4-6 seconds and with no understanding of the real world and the significant disadvantages Liverpool has had to overcome to get here. Today....Liverpool is a desired destination for some of the world's elite players. (See current roster) Liverpool is also a manufacturer of elite players (See Barca/Man City rosters)

      I do have to ask...Why do YOU deserve great owners? Did mommy tell you you were special?
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      Reply #24459: Jul 20, 2018 02:18:04 pm
      The delusional Liverpool relic clinging to former glories with blinders on.
      Lets relive a few facts that led to to the Fenway Group involvement:
      -Team flirting with relegation
      -Team approaching bankruptcy
      -Team pretending to be relevant as London + Manchester teams marched past
      Post acquisition:
      -Slow build while financials restored
      -Multiple coaching try-outs
      -Buying on-the-rise players the Big Teams passed on
      Then......
      -Catching lightning in a bottle occasionally
      -Expanding revenue base
      -Solidifying financials
      -Buying proven players now
      Status Restored
      But...the knuckle draggers who believe Rome was built in a day and the Fenway Group have only become the "right kind of owner" in the last 12 months clearly have attention spans of 4-6 seconds and with no understanding of the real world and the significant disadvantages Liverpool has had to overcome to get here. Today....Liverpool is a desired destination for some of the world's elite players. (See current roster) Liverpool is also a manufacturer of elite players (See Barca/Man City rosters)

      I do have to ask...Why do YOU deserve great owners? Did mommy tell you you were special?

      Haha

      Who's this c**t?
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      Reply #24460: Jul 20, 2018 02:35:03 pm
      Praise owners of LFC for doing what owners of LFC should be doing...?
      So does that mean you don't praise Salah, Firmino & co for doing what forwards of LFC should be doing?
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      Reply #24461: Jul 20, 2018 02:44:45 pm
      The delusional Liverpool relic clinging to former glories with blinders on.
      Lets relive a few facts that led to to the Fenway Group involvement:
      -Team flirting with relegation
      -Team approaching bankruptcy
      -Team pretending to be relevant as London + Manchester teams marched past
      Post acquisition:
      -Slow build while financials restored
      -Multiple coaching try-outs
      -Buying on-the-rise players the Big Teams passed on
      Then......
      -Catching lightning in a bottle occasionally
      -Expanding revenue base
      -Solidifying financials
      -Buying proven players now
      Status Restored
      But...the knuckle draggers who believe Rome was built in a day and the Fenway Group have only become the "right kind of owner" in the last 12 months clearly have attention spans of 4-6 seconds and with no understanding of the real world and the significant disadvantages Liverpool has had to overcome to get here. Today....Liverpool is a desired destination for some of the world's elite players. (See current roster) Liverpool is also a manufacturer of elite players (See Barca/Man City rosters)

      I do have to ask...Why do YOU deserve great owners? Did mommy tell you you were special?

      its says your "on trial" well you should be found guilty after that FFS where do they come from.
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      Reply #24462: Jul 20, 2018 02:45:20 pm
      The delusional Liverpool relic clinging to former glories with blinders on.
      Lets relive a few facts that led to to the Fenway Group involvement:
      -Team flirting with relegation
      -Team approaching bankruptcy
      -Team pretending to be relevant as London + Manchester teams marched past
      Post acquisition:
      -Slow build while financials restored
      -Multiple coaching try-outs
      -Buying on-the-rise players the Big Teams passed on
      Then......
      -Catching lightning in a bottle occasionally
      -Expanding revenue base
      -Solidifying financials
      -Buying proven players now
      Status Restored
      But...the knuckle draggers who believe Rome was built in a day and the Fenway Group have only become the "right kind of owner" in the last 12 months clearly have attention spans of 4-6 seconds and with no understanding of the real world and the significant disadvantages Liverpool has had to overcome to get here. Today....Liverpool is a desired destination for some of the world's elite players. (See current roster) Liverpool is also a manufacturer of elite players (See Barca/Man City rosters)

      I do have to ask...Why do YOU deserve great owners? Did mommy tell you you were special?

      Hi John 😂
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      Reply #24463: Jul 20, 2018 03:45:29 pm
      So does that mean you don't praise Salah, Firmino & co for doing what forwards of LFC should be doing?

      We are discussing owners, if owners buy the Salah's, Frimino's who then carry out their duties on field the owners have done what they bought the club for, buy quality players to restore us back on top.
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      Reply #24464: Jul 20, 2018 04:02:44 pm
      Will these asswipe Yanks sell this team already? what, coming here taking the team from the brink of bankruptcy to a stable financial position, building new stands, expanding Anfield Road, re-developing the academy, hiring a world class manager and breaking transfer records. Clearly using Liverpool to finance the Red Sox and we must not continue to let that happen. #FSGOUT
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      Reply #24465: Jul 20, 2018 04:07:33 pm
      Will these asswipe Yanks sell this team already? what, coming here taking the team from the brink of bankruptcy to a stable financial position, building new stands, expanding Anfield Road, re-developing the academy, hiring a world class manager and breaking transfer records. Clearly using Liverpool to finance the Red Sox and we must not continue to let that happen. #FSGOUT

      Wind your neck in... Was part of the sale remit that FSG had to fulfil obligations to the team,stand & supporters.. Taken them a good part of a decade to get here,maybe the penny finally has dropped or Klopp has given FSG no place to hide..
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      Reply #24466: Jul 20, 2018 07:22:22 pm
      Will these asswipe Yanks sell this team already? what, coming here taking the team from the brink of bankruptcy to a stable financial position, building new stands, expanding Anfield Road, re-developing the academy, hiring a world class manager and breaking transfer records. Clearly using Liverpool to finance the Red Sox and we must not continue to let that happen. #FSGOUT

      Oh do behave. The credit they will  receive now is deserved just as much as the criticism they have rightfully got while we have underperformed on the pitch while they've been finding their feet.

      I've been a critic of theirs but if they carry on in this window like they have been i'll be more than happy to give them deserved praise. Trouble is, some people who've fought their corner are still too concerned about having been right all along.
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      Reply #24467: Jul 20, 2018 07:39:25 pm
      Praise owners of LFC for doing what owners of LFC should be doing...?

      Given that our upturn in fortunes coincides with Klopp coming into the club, I don't know about you...and you can shoot me down here if you want, but I'm more inclined towards giving Jürgen the praise regarding our ability to compete in the transfer market more than anything. ;)
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      Reply #24468: Jul 20, 2018 07:53:15 pm
      Given that our upturn in fortunes coincides with Klopp coming into the club, I don't know about you...and you can shoot me down here if you want, but I'm more inclined towards giving Jürgen the praise regarding our ability to compete in the transfer market more than anything. ;)

      For sure, apart from his acknowledged football genius the man has kudos that dictates any player would be willing to sign for the club.
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      Reply #24469: Jul 20, 2018 07:54:34 pm
      The owners have their own agenda and its more to do with winning financially than on the pitch. Jürgen is clearly the major factor in our improved fortunes and the selling of players has greatly enhanced the look of our spending recently they have over many years been less than forthcoming with sufficient funds to compete with the big spenders of the league.
      Having said that the club is being "managed" so much better now particularly in transfers and in particular selling players for a profit.
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      Reply #24470: Jul 20, 2018 08:44:11 pm
      Looking at it, if finances are available, Klopp will get his man.  They trust him, and who does'nt ?.
      Success means profit
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      Reply #24471: Jul 20, 2018 09:07:48 pm
      Will these asswipe Yanks sell this team already? what, coming here taking the team from the brink of bankruptcy to a stable financial position, building new stands, expanding Anfield Road, re-developing the academy, hiring a world class manager and breaking transfer records. Clearly using Liverpool to finance the Red Sox and we must not continue to let that happen. #FSGOUT

      There are two sides to every story mate! If FSG hadn't abandoned their failing moneyball philosophy (buying players that might become good enough to on sell for a profit some day) we'd still be mediocre.
      I'm just happy to see the ambition that was missing for the first 6 years.
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      Reply #24472: Jul 20, 2018 09:30:06 pm
      Would love to hear the views of some of you that get involved in this. I find the whole idea of the whole process so daunting that I don't even attempt it anymore yet still pay my membership.

      The Members’ Sale: a biannual shambles: by Olly Rickets

      Jul 20 2018 07:07 PM | tlw content in Opinion

      The third Wednesday in July may not mean much to most people. But for a sizeable proportion of Liverpool supporters it is the most tense night of the year. Hours of sleep is lost, minds racing with excitement.

      Will this finally be the year that the official website’s servers decree that I am on the ’nice’ list, and allow me a seamless customer experience so that I might swap much of my year’s disposable income for tickets for 7 of the home games in the first half of the 2018-19 season? Surely it must, I’ve been so good this year, and I only got tempted to send private messages on Twitter to random club employees calling them all bas**rds last July; I didn’t actually do it.



      Alas, for many, this Thursday brought all too familiar tales of disappointment. Basically, the Members’ Sale was due to commence at 8:15am. The servers decided they didn’t want to, and the site died. At one point the live blog, launched by the club to provide instant information on the sale to those in the online queue, also died.

      Funny, undoubtedly, though still some way behind my personal favourite from a few years ago when the club sent an email questionnaire about people’s experiences with the sale process; the link leading instead to an ever-reloading blank page. The Members’ Sale, the gift that keeps giving.

      The club’s website is currently replete with slightly nauseating references describing Liverpool FC as a ‘family’ - and I suppose the sheer powerless sense of frustration each Members’ Sale provokes is akin to listening to your uncle drone on about immigrants at Christmas.



      The club were quick to issue an apology, at 08:50am, and the online queuing system began to function soon after. However, half an hour later the blog announced that there were ‘over 50,000 sessions in the queue’. Some of these might be people with duplicate windows or devices in the queue.

      Others, like myself and my friends, might have all logged in in the hope that our chances would be increased. But that is still a huge volume of people trying to get tickets. It is correct that the club have apologised for the servers’ failings this morning.

      It is difficult, however, to accept talk of unprecedented or unforeseen demand, given that it is the club that sells the memberships, so knows exactly how many members are out there. More importantly, a significant proportion of these will be ‘Light’ members.

      These people have paid £26.99 for a membership shorn of the tat (sorry, ‘welcome pack’) that gets sent to ‘Full’ members - in effect the only supposed reason to be a ‘Light’ member is to book tickets.

The club therefore know that virtually every ‘Light’ member, and a significant majority of ‘Full’ members, are going to be hammering refresh on the morning of each Members’ Sale. The demand therefore cannot be unforeseen.

      However, the predictable failure of the club’s website is still an admittedly significant and hugely frustrating symptom rather than a cause of the bigger issue: Liverpool’s membership system doesn’t work, because the club does not limit the amount of new members that can join each year.

      Yes, a fair few must quit in despair at each season’s end, but the rest of us pay our £26.99 every summer in the forlorn hope of the club doing something to make the system fairer. And then we end up getting the scraps from the sale. If you end up with tickets for a single match, you have effectively paid a £26.99 booking fee for your ticket. Some don’t even get that lucky.



      Members have access to 10,000 tickets per home game. For the right to book tickets for many of these matches you need to have certain credits from last season. This, of course, is absolutely right. However, the sheer unfettered volume of memberships means that most find it near impossible to move up the loyalty ladder in a season.

      Given that membership is for a full year, but you can join mid-season, it stands to reason that the November sale (for the home matches in the second half of the season) can only see more people getting involved in the bun fight. 

I won’t pretend that solving this issue is easy. I first started writing a piece on this topic several years ago.

      Looking at my notes, I felt that Liverpool’s membership scheme was markedly less fair than any other club in the Premier League. I accept now – as I did then – that to some extent it is not fair to compare like-for-like with those clubs who may not sell out every home game and therefore use membership schemes to entice attendees. For Liverpool, only the deadest of rubbers (or leaguest of cups) is unlikely to sell out far in advance.

      While demand outstrips supply so significantly, it is understandable that the club views membership as a means of distribution rather than an attraction to attend. What has changed in the 3 years since I started looking at this are the membership schemes operated by the other ‘big’ clubs. Back then I found that all still offered more tiers and what seemed like fairer, more transparent systems than Liverpool. Now, it appears they used us as the capitalist canary in the coal mine, and all have adopted broadly similar schemes since.

      So what can be done? The Anfield Road extension would certainly help! Others have suggested sensible measures to make the sale itself a less traumatic process, by restricting each IP address to a single place, or requiring members to log in before entering the queue. But the membership system itself needs fundamental changes.

      At the moment everyone hates it. Those with significant loyalty built up hate it because they are dragged into the bun fight for low category games.

      Those with no loyalty (and this doesn’t simply apply to glory hunters, it could be people that have been away from the country or unable to attend for health reasons) hate it because the odds seem utterly stacked against them getting anything other than scraps from the sale, and as previously mentioned if those scraps involve 1-2 games per season then they are effectively paying an astronomical booking fee and not getting enough credits to improve their outlook for the following season.

      And absolutely everyone in it hates it because the website breaks every single time.

      Limiting the number of new memberships sold per year would help. So would adding in several more tiers of membership depending on loyalty. I would even propose, to avoid the possibility of that £26.99 booking fee, effectively re-introducing the fan card or, more specifically, an entry level membership tier which cost substantially less than even the Light membership.

      This would be the only tier that allowed for unlimited volume of members, could have its own sale of a small number of tickets before each game (which I accept would make the current sale positively serene in terms of users versus available tickets) and be capped at booking tickets for a maximum of, say, 4 tickets in a season.

      If you were able to book tickets for 4 games, you would be offered a place in the next tier of membership (if there were spaces available), or put on the waiting list (if there weren’t). Of course this system is far from perfect, but if everything was transparent then at least we would all know where we stood. Capped numbers, plus an entry level tier and several more tiers as you get up towards full loyalty of 19 games plus cups would certainly help, as would knowing that you were only a few quid out of pocket if you didn’t get lucky in the sales.

      
In the interests of fairness and full disclosure, I should point out two things. Firstly, I was luckier than some on Thursday, and at least managed to get tickets for myself and two mates for the Cardiff game. Not sat together, as there were no longer three together anywhere, but better than nothing.

      Secondly, I have not mentioned the additional sales that members have access to approximately 2 weeks before each home game. These are sales involving returns from season ticket holders unable to attend. They can be useful, and I have got tickets in the past via this method. But getting seats together is virtually impossible, and the whole process adds to the feeling that the club treats those members without enough credit to guarantee themselves tickets as a bunch of animals fighting over a fly-ridden carcass way after all the good bits have been taken.



      Tony Barrett’s appointment was an inspired move by the club, as no one can doubt that the fair treatment of Liverpool supporters by the club is his genuine and absolute priority. As such, I truly believe that he would like to find a method of selling tickets that is as close to universally fair as possible.

      It is sad, however, that on a day on which we signed a world class goalkeeper for a world class fee, providing further evidence that in many ways this football club is beginning to appear unusually competent and united, the excitement for many was tempered with another reminder of how low down the list of its priorities we appear to be.
       
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      Reply #24473: Jul 21, 2018 01:20:05 am
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      Reply #24474: Jul 21, 2018 07:32:37 am
      Will these asswipe Yanks sell this team already? what, coming here taking the team from the brink of bankruptcy to a stable financial position, building new stands, expanding Anfield Road, re-developing the academy, hiring a world class manager and breaking transfer records. Clearly using Liverpool to finance the Red Sox and we must not continue to let that happen. #FSGOUT

      Think you may have missed a couple of letters from your name there mate.
      Possibly a u and a n !
      Wouldn’t matter what FSG done, there’d always be one eh ?

      Credit where credits due I think. They certainly took this club from the brink, whatever you think their motives are.

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