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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #24495: Jul 31, 2018 12:35:16 pm
      Jesus wept how many times!!!
      All by way of loans to the club or paid for out of club funds.

      Paid out of clubs funds, Club funds which FSG own... 👀
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      Reply #24496: Jul 31, 2018 12:36:35 pm

      According to Stuey the owners should donate their money to the club, literally give it away, they are rich after all and can afford it, its all part of his Socialist utopia, which works perfectly as long as he doesn't have to contribute himself!
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      Reply #24497: Jul 31, 2018 12:44:50 pm
      It's got to be a combination of both, surely. Klopp is clearly very good at getting the best out of players and getting to the final of the Champions League had virtually nothing to do with FSG directly, and was down to Klopp's management of the players. Things like us reaching the final of the Champions League will definitely have helped persuade players who might have otherwise wanted to go elsewhere that they should come and play for us.

      However, the players cost money. FSG have set up systems within the club to raise more money so that we can spend more on transfer fees and on player wages. We can now offer clubs more money to sign players and can now offer those players more competitive wages than we were able to previously. Klopp didn't sanction the stadium expansion, he didn't sanction the extremely lucrative pre-season tours, the various sponsorship deals etc - that was FSG's work.

      We're in a very strong position right now and, for me, that's a result of having a brilliant manager and a very competent group of owners.

      The model hasn't changed though. It's exactly the same as when Kenny was manager and when Brendan was too. Under their reigns we really struggled apart from one freak season under Rodgers were suarez blew the league away. Other than that, we were languishing between 6th and 8th.

      Under FSG, we have sold players to buy players. Kenny and Brendan were awful at doing it whereas klopp is a genius in that field. He can convince very good players to sign for us instead of earning more wages elsewhere and he understands value in a player as well. He uses his budget wisely.

      The reason Kenny and Brendan were awful at it is because Kenny has been out of the game for far too long so unless you're from Liverpool or of a certain age, nobody knows who he is. Your upcoming European superstar footballer who everybody wants to sign doesn't want to play for him. Somebody like mbappe for example probably doesn't even have a clue who he is.

      Likewise, they don't want to play for an unknown, unproven, unheard of manager in Brendan either. Brendan wanted top players and asked for top players but they rejected us and they rejected him. They didn't want to play for him. Other clubs offered them more wages and that's where they went. But with klopp the same thing has applied, other clubs have offered our players more money but they have still chose klopp.

      This window has been a good one but it wouldn't have even existed if it wasn't for the sale of coutinho. We'd still be going into this season with a serious lack of depth and with key positions that need strengthening. A club of our size shouldn't have to sell its best players to sign other ones. And as I keep saying, if it wasn't for klopp who is exceptional in the transfer market, we would be in huge trouble.

      If Brendan or Kenny we're still in charge and we sold coutinho then do you think Keita would be here? Or Alisson? Do you think Virgil would have signed for us?  Absolutely not.

      Your statement that FSG have raised more money to spend on transfers and wages just isn't true. Other clubs are still offering higher wages than what we are but we have the manager that  everybody wants to play for. And we wouldn't be signing these players either if we weren't selling our own players for hefty fees first.
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      Reply #24498: Jul 31, 2018 12:44:54 pm
      So what you are saying that Ashley spent more money than FSG & made Newcastle less successful than LFC..
      No.. What i was trying to say was that Mike Ashley spends as little as he can get away with on Newcastle players, much like what FSG were doing (This summer excluded)
      We should be at least spend the money needed to bring in a quality player per- season without looking to sell players to achieve that gold, or waiting before we find the next cash cow (Coutinho) to finance that...

      EDIT: -

      The Premier League’s Big Six’s net spend across the past 10 seasons:

      Club            Net spend          
      Man City   Â£135,095,000   

      Tottenham   Â£47,375,000   

      Arsenal   Â£42,482,920   

      Man Utd   Â£14,430,000   

      Chelsea   Â£6,030,000   

      Liverpool   Â£3,226,000   

      This Last Season Liverpool net spend was 10mil were as Newcastle's was 11.5mil

      This seasons Transfers money wise;is exception to the norm' but a welcome one
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      Reply #24499: Jul 31, 2018 12:57:44 pm
      Reading the last couple of pages here, I couldn't care less what the club is worth now compared to when FSG bought it and I couldn't care less what wages Henry or anybody else takes from the club.  FSG are business men and they're here to make money. That's fine with me, of course it is, that's the whole point of business. It's not a hobby for them or a charity, they're here to make serious wedge and I'm fine with that.

      What I'm not fine with is going years without being competitive on the pitch and that's exactly what's happened under their ownership.

      The squad and the players we have now is solely down to klopp. Rodgers tried to sign players such as Willian, Costa, Sanchez but they weren't interested. It's not FSG that have brought players here or convinced them to sign for us so I can't help but laugh when I see 'they've signed the worlds most expensive goalkeeper'.

      The only reason alisson, Van Dijk, Keita etc are here is because klopp has convinced them to be part of his project rather than be a sell out and go to Man City or Chelsea. That's the only f**king reason. Without klopp they wouldn't be here.

      The best thing FSG have done for our club is sign klopp because without him we would be in all kinds of trouble. No other manager in the world could survive on a sell to buy policy, upgrade the players we have under that model and at the same time get the maximum out of the ones we already have. Even my two best mates Jordan Henderson and dejan Lovren have performed so much better under Jürgen. He's got them performing to the best they possibly can and no other manager could do that.

      The day Klopp moves on is the day we're doomed. The players we have now won't want to stay because as stated, they're only here for klopp. So we will be selling off our best players but we won't have a manager who can convince other top players or even better ones to sign. So we go back to spending big on average premiership players - a bit like what Everton are doing now and how it was under Rodgers, and you can forget challenging for the title or even the top four, we will be back languishing around 7th - 8th.

      Jürgen klopp is absolutely crucial to any success we might have. FSG aren't. Banging my head against a brick wall how people just can't see that. Completely baffles me.


      ... and dumping the previous manager was the start of getting things under way.

      I am not concerned about when Jürgen goes. 
      I can see Stevie coming in alongside him to start with and then as his successor.

      Sounds like a plan although its all conjecture on my part.

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      Reply #24500: Jul 31, 2018 01:00:13 pm
      Oh so he could attract them as Burnley manager but only if he had lots of cash and was in the CL, so not really ONLY about Jürgen then is it. :-)

      BTW I am fairly sure that Alisson said in his interview that he was amazed by the atmosphere at Anfield when he played here with Roma, so do you not think that might have been a little part of the reason why he joined us. I think you are being quite arrogant and dismissive of all the other factors that make this club so special and I find it a bit confusing to be honest, are you perhaps one of those slightly insecure people who refuse to change their mind or opinion as they think it makes them look weak? In reality the opposite is true, having an open mind is good, and plenty of times people have changed my opinion on this forum, its why I like it so much, the exchange of ideas.

      Klopp took over from Brendan. For a long time he had patience with Brendan's squad. He polished a few turds and improved so many players. We climbed the league and secured top four.

      We then went all the way to Kiev and nearly won the f**king thing and perhaps would have if we didn't have poppadom fingers in goal. At the same time, we secured another top four finish in the league qualifying for CL football again for the following season.

      We've sold players to make a ton of money and now klopp is starting to put his stamp on things and this team and squad is shaping up nicely to be his.

      You asked me if I thought it was possible whether klopp could still attract players if he was manager of Burnley. Read above. If he did the exact same thing at Burnley than he has done here, securing top four two years running, earning a ton of money from player sales so he has a budget to bring them in, then yes in my opinion you would get all kinds of players signing for Burnley, because they want klopp. It's that simple.

      I'm not arrogant, youre just naive. Nobody cares about what we won in the past. Nobody cares about what the Kop looks like or sounds like on a European night. You used Burnley as an example basically saying if klopp managed them then he couldn't sign anyone and that the players we've signed have joined not just because of klopp, but because we're Liverpool Fc.

      So here's my example and you give me an answer.  Klopp decides to leave us and he joins Bayern Munich. We look for a new manager and we decide to appoint tony pulis.  We sell salah for 200m. Pulis has got all of that money to reinvest in the team. Now you tell me, are we signing players like Virgil, Keita, Alisson then?

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      Reply #24501: Jul 31, 2018 01:11:21 pm
      The successful model that is LFC existed before H&G fu**ed it up and brought the club to the brink of bankruptcy, LFC was always capable of self-perpetuity in a financial sense, to say FSG are the creators or are responsible for LFC's status or reputation is very naive.



      successful model before H&G? hahaha ,yeah right that's why we played second fiddle to the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal from the 90s until we sold the club to H&G. Our club model was outdated beyond believe that even FSG were shocked at the state we were in once they bought us. We had outdated infrastructure and a poorly managed commercial department (with sponsors, ticketing, etc...). While the likes of Man Utd expanded their stadium and made world record revenues and had money to spend to buy players to become successful. David Moores had the club at heart and was a great chairman but he wasn't successful in developing the club even further. That's why we never won a title after 1990.

      We are in a better position because of our management and the owners deserve a lot of credit for restructuring the club and making it even better. The fact is that our revenues are increasing at a good pace and we getting more and more sponsors with lucrative contracts. Also, our fan base expanded and we have been spending money on players  to improve the team. We've broke two world records in a space of 6 months thanks to the hard work of Michael Edwards and Klopp (whom FSG have hired). We are also financially really stable in the long run unlike  Chelsea when and if Abramovich decides to F**k off they will be in big trouble with the high interest payments they have to pay.
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      Reply #24502: Jul 31, 2018 01:11:31 pm
      They haven’t taken any money out the club, so you’re talking absolute sh*te, once again.

      It’s clear you don’t understand a thing about business, despite all your ramblings about ‘viable business concern’ and ‘the asset which is Liverpool FC’.

      You essentially want us to just load the club with debt and like the Glazers (as you have already mentioned). You’re going in circles and can’t keep up with your own nonsensical ramblings.
      There are different way for taking money out of a club, i.e Loaning  the club (Your Club) the money to build a new stand, and charging interest on that loan for instance...
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      Reply #24503: Jul 31, 2018 01:14:58 pm
      No.. What i was trying to say was that Mike Ashley spends as little as he can get away with on Newcastle players, much like what FSG were doing (This summer excluded)
      We should be at least spend the money needed to bring in a quality player per- season without looking to sell players to achieve that gold, or waiting before we find the next cash cow (Coutinho) to finance that...

      EDIT: -

      The Premier League’s Big Six’s net spend across the past 10 seasons:

      Club            Net spend          
      Man City   Â£135,095,000   

      Tottenham   Â£47,375,000   

      Arsenal   Â£42,482,920   

      Man Utd   Â£14,430,000   

      Chelsea   Â£6,030,000   

      Liverpool   Â£3,226,000   

      This Last Season Liverpool net spend was 10mil were as Newcastle's was 11.5mil

      This seasons Transfers money wise;is exception to the norm' but a welcome one

      We had a low net spend than Newcastle but were more successful than Newcastle in all completions... & off the pitch too..
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      Reply #24504: Jul 31, 2018 01:20:54 pm
      successful model before H&G? hahaha ,yeah right that's why we played second fiddle to the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal from the 90s until we sold the club to H&G. Our club model was outdated beyond believe that even FSG were shocked at the state we were in once they bought us. We had outdated infrastructure and a poorly managed commercial department (with sponsors, ticketing, etc...). While the likes of Man Utd expanded their stadium and made world record revenues and had money to spend to buy players to become successful. David Moores had the club at heart and was a great chairman but he wasn't successful in developing the club even further. That's why we never won a title after 1990.

      We are in a better position because of our management and the owners deserve a lot of credit for restructuring the club and making it even better. The fact is that our revenues are increasing at a good pace and we getting more and more sponsors with lucrative contracts. Also, our fan base expanded and we have been spending money on players  to improve the team. We've broke two world records in a space of 6 months thanks to the hard work of Michael Edwards and Klopp (whom FSG have hired). We are also financially really stable in the long run unlike  Chelsea when and if Abramovich decides to f**k off they will be in big trouble with the high interest payments they have to pay.

      I keep seeing this. 'They've smashed the transfer record for a GK' and 'They've smashed the transfer record for a cb'.

      The money was there from player sales and the players signed for us because of Klopp. NOT FSG.

      If we still had Rodgers in charge or somebody of that calibre then those statements wouldn't exist because the players would never have signed.

      Instead of spending 60 on Alisson then we would have spent 40 on butland and used the extra 20 to sign Shawcross.  And instead of spending 75 on Virgil we would have spent 40 on lascelles and used the other 35 to sign mark noble.

      Klopp deserves every bit of credit for the players we've signed. We saw the mess under Kenny and Brendan and if klopp decides to move on we are likely to see it all unfold once again depeding on who we appoint.
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      Reply #24505: Jul 31, 2018 01:21:08 pm
      At almost a flat rate and far less than you would have gotten from the banks?

      I feel like I'm defending fsg here when I dont want to whatsoever but there isn't half some sh*te written

      That money was separate money from the clubs money, fsg are likely earning far less interest by giving the club that loan at the rate they did than investing in other areas.. and the club don't pay as much interest as they would loaning from a third party

      They don't earn interest on their loans, the club pays the small interest to the bank because FSG opened a type of credit facility with its bank in the US to loan money to LFC, so the bank charges those interest to LFC. This is very basic banking that all companies do to their subsidiaries.
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      Reply #24506: Jul 31, 2018 01:30:49 pm
      I keep seeing this. 'They've smashed the transfer record for a GK' and 'They've smashed the transfer record for a cb'.

      The money was there from player sales and the players signed for us because of Klopp. NOT FSG.

      If we still had Rodgers in charge or somebody of that calibre then those statements wouldn't exist because the players would never have signed.

      Instead of spending 60 on Alisson then we would have spent 40 on butland and used the extra 20 to sign Shawcross.  And instead of spending 75 on Virgil we would have spent 40 on lascelles and used the other 35 to sign mark noble.

      Klopp deserves every bit of credit for the players we've signed. We saw the mess under Kenny and Brendan and if klopp decides to move on we are likely to see it all unfold once again depeding on who we appoint.


      You do understand that the owners sanction those fees do you not? How can you come here and state it's ALL down to Klopp when it's the owners who sanction a fee of 65m to buy those players? Did you even bother reading Klopp's comments on Alisson when he told the owners he wanted to pay X amount and the owners told him basically to go for it? FSG could have told him it's quite expensive and maybe he should go for a cheaper alternative.

      Of course Klopp a long with Michael Edwards deserve the credit for convincing the players, but they aren't the ones with the money and frankly none of this would have happened if FSG didn't give them the vote of confidence to proceed. Naive to suggest it's all down to to one person when it's highly subjective and so many factors in play.

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      Reply #24507: Jul 31, 2018 01:32:27 pm
      Non-investment? Not backing their investment?

      - Stadium Expansion
      - Re-building the training complex
      - Complete overhall of the main club shop
      - Possibly further stadium expansion at Anfield Road end

      you missed one
      John W Henry's new £68m super-yacht  https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/take-look-liverpool-fc-owner-12230189  :f_whistle:
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      Reply #24508: Jul 31, 2018 01:44:02 pm
      You do understand that the owners sanction those fees do you not? How can you come here and state it's ALL down to Klopp when it's the owners who sanction a fee of 65m to buy those players? Did you even bother reading Klopp's comments on Alisson when he told the owners he wanted to pay X amount and the owners told him basically to go for it? FSG could have told him it's quite expensive and maybe he should go for a cheaper alternative.

      Of course Klopp a long with Michael Edwards deserve the credit for convincing the players, but they aren't the ones with the money and frankly none of this would have happened if FSG didn't give them the vote of confidence to proceed. Naive to suggest it's all down to to one person when it's highly subjective and so many factors in play.

      You don't understand the point.

      The money was there from player sales. We've just sold coutinho for 140m.

      FSG have always given our managers the money back to re-invest into the team from whatever we make from player sales.

      The difference with klopp to Brendan or Kenny is, instead of using the money to buy several average players for smaller fees, he buys one or two for higher fees who are world class. That's because Jürgen can convince those players to play for us.

      Brendan Rodgers couldn't do that. He tried to convince top players to play for us but they weren't interested. It was exactly the same model as what Jürgen is working under now.

      Rodgers had all of the suarez fee which at the time was a lot of money, but no decent player wanted to play for him so instead we signed several poor players who were just dross in all honesty and should never have played for Liverpool.

      If klopp was in that position he would have signed 1 or 2 players, a like for like for suarez, somebody of much better quality.

      Look at one of my posts above. I asked another poster a question and I'll ask you the same.  If klopp moved on and we appointed tony pulis, do you think we could still sign players as good as Keita, Virgil, Alisson if we sold salah for example and had money to burn?  Do you think we would break transfer records with tony pulis in charge yes or no?

      For me, it's a fat f**king no. Because nobody would want to play for that little tit unless you threw a sh*t load of money at them so they couldn't possibly refuse. Something FSG haven't done.

      Without klopp, trust me, we're fu**ed.
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      Reply #24509: Jul 31, 2018 01:46:54 pm
      Your statement that FSG have raised more money to spend on transfers and wages just isn't true. Other clubs are still offering higher wages than what we are but we have the manager that  everybody wants to play for.
      Revenue has increased year on year in real terms under their ownership - that's a matter of public record and can easily be verified. FSG has increased the money to spend on transfer and on wages.
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      Reply #24510: Jul 31, 2018 01:47:23 pm
      successful model before H&G? hahaha ,yeah right that's why we played second fiddle to the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal from the 90s until we sold the club to H&G. Our club model was outdated beyond believe that even FSG were shocked at the state we were in once they bought us. We had outdated infrastructure and a poorly managed commercial department (with sponsors, ticketing, etc...). While the likes of Man Utd expanded their stadium and made world record revenues and had money to spend to buy players to become successful. David Moores had the club at heart and was a great chairman but he wasn't successful in developing the club even further. That's why we never won a title after 1990.

      We are in a better position because of our management and the owners deserve a lot of credit for restructuring the club and making it even better. The fact is that our revenues are increasing at a good pace and we getting more and more sponsors with lucrative contracts. Also, our fan base expanded and we have been spending money on players  to improve the team. We've broke two world records in a space of 6 months thanks to the hard work of Michael Edwards and Klopp (whom FSG have hired). We are also financially really stable in the long run unlike  Chelsea when and if Abramovich decides to F**k off they will be in big trouble with the high interest payments they have to pay.

      You refer to a particular time scale prior to which we held the most league titles won and currently hold the CL/European Cup UK record with trophies. unsurpassed by the mancs or whoever..
      Have a ;D at that bollox.
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      Reply #24511: Jul 31, 2018 01:52:09 pm
      We had a low net spend than Newcastle but were more successful than Newcastle in all completions... & off the pitch too..
      Yes we were... But money is not in itself a automatic  guarantee of success, but lack of it does eventually guarantee failure...

      Remember when it was a top four..? Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, LFC..? Then Tottenham started to spend a bit, and it became a top five, and then City, top six..

      Point.... They all spent money to get there and other teams are beginning to do so....

      Now should Amanda Staveley and her PCP Partners Groups manage acquire Newcastle Utd how long before the top six becomes a top seven

      Oh and remember Tottenham have their new stadium now, in time extra revenue for players
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      Reply #24512: Jul 31, 2018 01:54:29 pm
      Klopp took over from Brendan. For a long time he had patience with Brendan's squad. He polished a few turds and improved so many players. We climbed the league and secured top four.

      We then went all the way to Kiev and nearly won the f**king thing and perhaps would have if we didn't have poppadom fingers in goal. At the same time, we secured another top four finish in the league qualifying for CL football again for the following season.

      We've sold players to make a ton of money and now klopp is starting to put his stamp on things and this team and squad is shaping up nicely to be his.

      You asked me if I thought it was possible whether klopp could still attract players if he was manager of Burnley. Read above. If he did the exact same thing at Burnley than he has done here, securing top four two years running, earning a ton of money from player sales so he has a budget to bring them in, then yes in my opinion you would get all kinds of players signing for Burnley, because they want klopp. It's that simple.

      I'm not arrogant, youre just naive. Nobody cares about what we won in the past. Nobody cares about what the Kop looks like or sounds like on a European night. You used Burnley as an example basically saying if klopp managed them then he couldn't sign anyone and that the players we've signed have joined not just because of klopp, but because we're Liverpool Fc.

      So here's my example and you give me an answer.  Klopp decides to leave us and he joins Bayern Munich. We look for a new manager and we decide to appoint tony pulis.  We sell salah for 200m. Pulis has got all of that money to reinvest in the team. Now you tell me, are we signing players like Virgil, Keita, Alisson then?



      Can I ask if you have commissioned a survey of players past and present to arrive at the conclusion that it's ONLY the manager that counts in any decision making process, if you have I'd love to read it, what other conclusions did it arrive at?

      In the rather weird example of getting rid of Klopp and getting Pulis, shudder, with the same money and the same status of the club, ie in CL, high profile etc then I still think we could attract some very good players, not the same as Jürgen could hence why I have now said about 5 times that Jürgen is a very very big influence on players joining but I still think we could attract them, same as Maureen attracting players to Man Utd despite being an utter c**t of a manager.
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      Reply #24513: Jul 31, 2018 01:55:42 pm
      Revenue has increased year on year in real terms under their ownership - that's a matter of public record and can easily be verified. FSG has increased the money to spend on transfer and on wages.

      So why, up until this window, where we on a negative net spend under klopps reign and reducing the wage bill?

      The revenue has increased but we still only invest on whatever we make from player sales. 
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      Reply #24514: Jul 31, 2018 01:57:14 pm
      I keep seeing this. 'They've smashed the transfer record for a GK' and 'They've smashed the transfer record for a cb'.

      The money was there from player sales and the players signed for us because of Klopp. NOT FSG.

      If we still had Rodgers in charge or somebody of that calibre then those statements wouldn't exist because the players would never have signed.

      Instead of spending 60 on Alisson then we would have spent 40 on butland and used the extra 20 to sign Shawcross.  And instead of spending 75 on Virgil we would have spent 40 on lascelles and used the other 35 to sign mark noble.

      Klopp deserves every bit of credit for the players we've signed. We saw the mess under Kenny and Brendan and if klopp decides to move on we are likely to see it all unfold once again depeding on who we appoint.


      Bit confused does Klopp deserve credit or derision for overspending on GK and CB or was that NOT because of Jürgen ;-)
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #24515: Jul 31, 2018 01:58:25 pm
      Can I ask if you have commissioned a survey of players past and present to arrive at the conclusion that it's ONLY the manager that counts in any decision making process, if you have I'd love to read it, what other conclusions did it arrive at?

      In the rather weird example of getting rid of Klopp and getting Pulis, shudder, with the same money and the same status of the club, ie in CL, high profile etc then I still think we could attract some very good players, not the same as Jürgen could hence why I have now said about 5 times that Jürgen is a very very big influence on players joining but I still think we could attract them, same as Maureen attracting players to Man Utd despite being an utter c**t of a manager.

      Why couldn't we attract them when we were in the champions league with Brendan then?

      I said earlier that 99% of the time money talks in football but fortunately for us we are in that tiny 1% who have a manager who players are dying to play for.

      If klopp moved clubs, other players would go with him.  If we had pulis, then we aren't signing anybody of note. Just like we couldn't with Brendan. Or Kenny.
      heimdall
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #24516: Jul 31, 2018 01:59:22 pm

      WHAT? Billionaire spends money on himself rather than the club, HOW DARE HE THE F***ing c**t!!!!!!!! ;-)
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #24517: Jul 31, 2018 02:01:53 pm
      Bit confused does Klopp deserve credit or derision for overspending on GK and CB or was that NOT because of Jürgen ;-)

      Its quite clear what I'm saying.

      We sell players and whatever we get for them is the budget to reinvest. The manager can do what he wants with it.

      Klopp has spent big sums on big players. He has convinced them to join us over other clubs who were interested.

      Other managers don't have that effect. If we had Rodgers still then he couldn't sign Alisson. Instead, we'd have a butland for half the fee and then the rest of the budget would be spent on some dross like joe Allen.




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