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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #25001: Dec 29, 2018 11:13:12 am
      The description 'Manchester Echo' is a hint that the Liverpool Echo is not the credible local news source that it once was, being based In Manchester as it now is kind of questions the word 'local'.
      In that sense some of it's content does come under scrutiny, it was a sarcastic comment about any association with FSG but it is an example of how much that paper is off the mark.

      Fair enough mate, hard to pick out sarcasm when surrounded by hyperbole from others sometimes.
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      Reply #25002: Dec 29, 2018 11:16:21 am
      Iā€™ve been critical of the owners in the past but Ill be honest, what they have done with Klopp is without doubt unquestionable...& they done it behind the scenes..(Liverpool way).
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #25003: Dec 29, 2018 11:59:43 am


      You must be accountable to your own words people. Life lesson.

      what about these words in 2010 from J. Henry
      ā€œItā€™s too early to say what weā€™re going to do but obviously weā€™re here to win and weā€™ll do whatever is necessary.ā€
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      Reply #25004: Dec 29, 2018 12:08:44 pm
      Well said. In my honest opinion, i don't think the owners have any passion for this club, they are thru and thru businessmen. Did they buy the few stars we have now wholeheartedly and wanted to see success for the fans??? Probably no again. So, they have sanctioned the big buys, probably again probably, reluctantly because 5 or 6 years, sponsors are getting very restless and impatient.

      A lot of assumptions there arenā€™t there - lots of ā€œprobablyā€ with zero basis

      There certain is a lot of bitter pills around and some not able to swallow a bit of pride to try and save face

      Iā€™m not sure what sort of owners these people want ?

      The whole game is a business name so you need businessmen somewhere in tbe club

      So do people want Oil barons to just spend money ontop of money

      Or is it a fan owned where the club will still be self sufficient?

      The owners have made mistakes but they seem to me to be trying to correct them and learn from them - to criticise them now smacks a bit of just spiteful ness or bitterness.

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      Reply #25005: Dec 29, 2018 12:28:29 pm

      Yes, there was an interview last season where Salah was scoring a sh*t ton of goals, and Klopp revealed he hadn't wanted him at first, saying he was too small, not strong enough and things like that.
      He said the transfer team spoke to him and persuaded him that Salah would be great for us.
      So being the self effacing kind of bloke he is, Klopp ended up laughing about it and how he was wrong.
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      Reply #25006: Dec 29, 2018 12:38:04 pm
      A lot of assumptions there arenā€™t there - lots of ā€œprobablyā€ with zero basis

      There certain is a lot of bitter pills around and some not able to swallow a bit of pride to try and save face

      Iā€™m not sure what sort of owners these people want ?

      The whole game is a business name so you need businessmen somewhere in tbe club

      So do people want Oil barons to just spend money ontop of money

      Or is it a fan owned where the club will still be self sufficient?

      The owners have made mistakes but they seem to me to be trying to correct them and learn from them - to criticise them now smacks a bit of just spiteful ness or bitterness.


      How about the business maxim of 'feeding an asset'?
      They acquired LFC for a song, taking it out of the hands of proven fraudsters who drained a going concern.

      Some have suggested the owners head hunted Klopp and are deserving of the accolades directed at the manager, why wasn't a manager of his calibre appointed in the previous years of mistakes and bad decisions?

      The truth is only the football genius of JĆ¼rgen Klopp could bring success under the ownership of JWH&Co.
      On that score they are to be congratulated in finding managerial excellence able to conjure success under their tenure.
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      Reply #25007: Dec 29, 2018 12:42:10 pm
      How about the business maxim of 'feeding an asset'?
      They acquired LFC for a song, taking it out of the hands of proven fraudsters who drained a going concern.

      Some have suggested the owners head hunted Klopp and are deserving of the accolades directed at the manager, why wasn't a manager of his calibre appointed in the previous years of mistakes and bad decisions?

      The truth is only the football genius of JĆ¼rgen Klopp could bring success under the ownership of JWH&Co.
      On that score they are to be congratulated in finding managerial excellence able to conjure success under their tenure.

      I keep seeing this tripe, and it's completely wrong.

      The real business maxim is "never use your own money".
      That's why so many use banks money to leverage buy businesses.
      That's what H&G did.

      This is what FSG haven't done.
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      Reply #25008: Dec 29, 2018 12:44:46 pm
      How about the business maxim of 'feeding an asset'?
      They acquired LFC for a song, taking it out of the hands of proven fraudsters who drained a going concern.

      What the hell is feeding an asset ? They bought a club in a lot of trouble and helped pay of a significant amount of debt that was hanging over the club

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      Some have suggested the owners head hunted Klopp and are deserving of the accolades directed at the manager, why wasn't a manager of his calibre appointed in the previous years of mistakes and bad decisions?
      Because the club and team wasnā€™t a very attractive proposition when they took over - mid table not in Europe , debt , poor commercial income.
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      The truth is only the football genius of JĆ¼rgen Klopp could bring success under the ownership of JWH&Co.
      On that score they are to be congratulated in finding managerial excellence able to conjure success under their tenure.

      The club when they took over was poor - poor finances , poor squad , players wanting out and around mid table - it was never going to be an overnight job and they have made mistakes and they seemed to have learned from them. The fact no one is talking about them is a good thing - whilst Klopp does well on the pitch they will continue to find ways to improve off the pitch to help back the manager
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #25009: Dec 29, 2018 12:50:08 pm
      A lot of assumptions there arenā€™t there - lots of ā€œprobablyā€ with zero basis

      There certain is a lot of bitter pills around and some not able to swallow a bit of pride to try and save face

      Iā€™m not sure what sort of owners these people want ?

      The whole game is a business name so you need businessmen somewhere in tbe club

      So do people want Oil barons to just spend money ontop of money

      Or is it a fan owned where the club will still be self sufficient?

      The owners have made mistakes but they seem to me to be trying to correct them and learn from them - to criticise them now smacks a bit of just spiteful ness or bitterness.


      Your constant reference to spite and bitter directed at other posters does suggest a predisposition to the condition, you do seem like an angry/bitter/spiteful manc or Everton supporter.

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      Reply #25010: Dec 29, 2018 12:51:31 pm
      What the hell is feeding an asset ? They bought a club in a lot of trouble and helped pay of a significant amount of debt that was hanging over the club
      Because the club and team wasnā€™t a very attractive proposition when they took over - mid table not in Europe , debt , poor commercial income.
      The club when they took over was poor - poor finances , poor squad , players wanting out and around mid table - it was never going to be an overnight job and they have made mistakes and they seemed to have learned from them. The fact no one is talking about them is a good thing - whilst Klopp does well on the pitch they will continue to find ways to improve off the pitch to help back the manager

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      Reply #25011: Dec 29, 2018 12:54:19 pm

      Is that your generic reply when faced with facts- or is it to call me a Manc or Everton fan or is it when you are incapable or providing any sort of balanced counter.
       
      I expect the next reply will involve some sort of colourful language.

      The Echo had it spot on in regards the ā€œFSG Outā€ crew - they go silent when the credit needs to be given
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      Reply #25012: Dec 29, 2018 01:00:05 pm
      Is that your generic reply when faced with facts- or is it to call me a Manc or Everton fan or is it when you are incapable or providing any sort of balanced counter.
       
      I expect the next reply will involve some sort of colourful language.

      The Echo had it spot on in regards the ā€œFSG Outā€ crew - they go silent when the credit needs to be given

      Really could not be arsed dissecting and disproving the drivel you speak of.
      You make it up as you go along.
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      Reply #25013: Dec 29, 2018 01:05:37 pm
      Really could not be arsed dissecting and disproving the drivel you speak of.
      You make it up as you go along.


      Go on then - disprove what i have said and show me what is made up if you are that confident.

      The club was in debt and in financial trouble - fact

      The club was struggling in the league for a number of years - fact

      They have improved the club - fact

      We are in a better position both on and off the field than we have been for a significant period - fact

      If I have something wrong then please do correct me
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      Reply #25014: Dec 29, 2018 02:14:12 pm

      Go on then - disprove what i have said and show me what is made up if you are that confident.

      The club was in debt and in financial trouble - fact

      The club was struggling in the league for a number of years - fact

      They have improved the club - fact

      We are in a better position both on and off the field than we have been for a significant period - fact

      If I have something wrong then please do correct me

      Could not be arsed.
      Track back, read the facts and stop bullshitting.
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      Reply #25015: Dec 29, 2018 02:25:44 pm
      Could not be arsed.
      Track back, read the facts and stop bullshitting.

      Donā€™t worry you have proved my point  :roll:
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      Reply #25016: Dec 29, 2018 02:33:48 pm
      2008/09 2nd with 86 points and 2009/10 7th and Europa league qualification how does that equate to struggling in the league for a number of years?.
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      Reply #25017: Dec 29, 2018 02:51:32 pm
      2008/09 2nd with 86 points and 2009/10 7th and Europa league qualification how does that equate to struggling in the league for a number of years?.

      Really ? You think 7th is acceptable

      How many serious title challenges had Liverpool had in the 20 years from last title until they took over ? 2 maybe ?

      The owners didnā€™t take over a team on the up with everything going for it - it was losing players and money at a great rate , heavily in debt.
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      Reply #25018: Dec 29, 2018 02:52:55 pm
      what about these words in 2010 from J. Henry
      ā€œItā€™s too early to say what weā€™re going to do but obviously weā€™re here to win and weā€™ll do whatever is necessary.ā€

      Like spending world record fees on a goalkeeper and centre back, employing the best manager in the game and at the same type expanding the clubs stadium, revolutionising the corporate and commercial side of the club and investing in long term goals like training facilities...

      Seems like whatever it takes to me. It may have taken them a while to figure out what ā€˜it takesā€™ was, but you cannot say itā€™s fair to complain for years saying ā€˜theyā€™re not doing this and thatā€™ and then when they do what you want you continue to complain about issues that have been addressed. Itā€™s not fair and not reflective.
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      Reply #25019: Dec 29, 2018 03:02:13 pm
      Really ? You think 7th is acceptable

      How many serious title challenges had Liverpool had in the 20 years from last title until they took over ? 2 maybe ?

      The owners didnā€™t take over a team on the up with everything going for it - it was losing players and money at a great rate , heavily in debt.

      what about 2nd why are you ignoring that and the 7th represented the turmoil of hicks and Gillette era. Don't you know where we have finished in the league over the past 20 years do your research first them ask the questions.
      remember winning 5 trophies in one season? the usual FSG apologists like to paint the club as a basket case and it was anything but between 2005 and 2010 we had two CL finals and another semi final and Qtr final the financial problems belonged to Hicks and Gillette and we were never in danger of going bust especially at a value of Ā£300 mil and there was more than one offer in for the club.between 2000-2007 there were approx. 10 trophies if you include Charity shields and super cups and since 2008 when the other idiots took over up until today 1 just 1 and you paint the club as a club in crisis prior to FSG .
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      Reply #25020: Dec 29, 2018 03:09:53 pm
      Like spending world record fees on a goalkeeper and centre back, employing the best manager in the game and at the same type expanding the clubs stadium, revolutionising the corporate and commercial side of the club and investing in long term goals like training facilities...

      Seems like whatever it takes to me. It may have taken them a while to figure out what ā€˜it takesā€™ was, but you cannot say itā€™s fair to complain for years saying ā€˜theyā€™re not doing this and thatā€™ and then when they do what you want you continue to complain about issues that have been addressed. Itā€™s not fair and not reflective.

      The monies you refer to were generated by LFC, a totally self sustaining asset.
      The only FSG cash was Ā£200m on top of the buy out Ā£300m+ sum, the asset is estimated to be worth a figure approaching Ā£2bn at this time.
      As stated totally generated by LFC.
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      Reply #25021: Dec 29, 2018 03:10:45 pm
      The monies you refer to were generated by LFC, a totally self sustaining asset.
      The only FSG cash was Ā£200m on top of the buy out Ā£300m+ sum, the asset is estimated to be worth a figure approaching Ā£2bn at this time.
      As stated totally generated by LFC.

      Who reshaped it and made it self sustaining? God?
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      Reply #25022: Dec 29, 2018 03:17:06 pm
      what about 2nd why are you ignoring that and the 7th represented the turmoil of hicks and Gillette era. Don't you know where we have finished in the league over the past 20 years do your research first them ask the questions.
      remember winning 5 trophies in one season? the usual FSG apologists like to paint the club as a basket case and it was anything but between 2005 and 2010 we had two CL finals and another semi final and Qtr final the financial problems belonged to Hicks and Gillette and we were never in danger of going bust especially at a value of Ā£300 mil and there was more than one offer in for the club.between 2000-2007 there were approx. 10 trophies if you include Charity shields and super cups and since 2008 when the other idiots took over up until today 1 just 1 and you paint the club as a club in crisis prior to FSG .

      Charity Shields and Super Cups - we never used to count them , glorified friendles. One second place - thatā€™s all , first loser as we used to call it and now itā€™s celebrated as an achievement?

      The club was a mess - top players were leaving the club to be replaced by dross and over priced freebies - Xabi gone , Masher gone , Torres looking to get out , players like Poulsen , Konchesky coming in to replace quality because we didnā€™t have a pot to piss in.

      What other offer was in for the club - we owed the banks considerable money and loans getting bigger - we were sold on the never never by the crooks , the financial problems were on the club , the company that they owned the club owed the money to the bank.


      You canā€™t talk about reaching finals and quarters etc if you arenā€™t going to mention the finals we have reached under FSG. Calling them idiots because they donā€™t do what you want ? Because they donā€™t act like oil barons using personal money - itā€™s just poor
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #25023: Dec 29, 2018 03:18:34 pm
      The monies you refer to were generated by LFC, a totally self sustaining asset.
      The only FSG cash was Ā£200m on top of the buy out Ā£300m+ sum, the asset is estimated to be worth a figure approaching Ā£2bn at this time.
      As stated totally generated by LFC.

      So F***ing what!

      It's only self sustaining because of the investment made into making it that way. The club doesn't run itself.

      These are smart men, they won't be investing for no reason, hoping that it goes right. The money is invested wisely. If we can afford to spend hundreds of millions like we have this year, and it's off the back of what the club earns... F***ing yes mate! That's a good thing.

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