NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

The monies you refer to were generated by LFC, a totally self sustaining asset.
The only FSG cash was £200m on top of the buy out £300m+ sum, the asset is estimated to be worth a figure approaching £2bn at this time.
As stated totally generated by LFC.

Who built that “asset” up to increase its value ?

Who improved the commercial benefits of the club to improve its worth

The club didn’t just suddenly boost up in value - it was through the work of people they put in place to bring in a signicant amount of sponsorship

FSG put people in place to improve the financial and commercial standing of the club - those people worked tirelessly and the benefits are being reaped now - understand a new short deal is to be negotiated soon - the biggest in world football.

These things don’t just happen

I think the point was also about people thinking outlets like the echo were on FSG's payroll and how ridiculous that is...

Who prints the programme and several of the club's publications?

You can’t teach a pig to sing. That’s what it’s like when you argue with Stuey. He believes only what he wants and if you track him with facts or logic, it devolves into the tit for tat name calling and straw man arguments.

Might as well save yourselves the trouble. Just nod in agreement with him and move on.

Who built that “asset” up to increase its value ?

Who improved the commercial benefits of the club to improve its worth

The club didn’t just suddenly boost up in value - it was through the work of people they put in place to bring in a signicant amount of sponsorship

FSG put people in place to improve the financial and commercial standing of the club - those people worked tirelessly and the benefits are being reaped now - understand a new short deal is to be negotiated soon - the biggest in world football.

These things don’t just happen

That's nice, but now it's time to see some silverware.

Was amazed to read this after how most people here was saying the Klopp is in charge of transfers....

"Yes, there was an interview last season where Salah was scoring a sh*t ton of goals, and Klopp revealed he hadn't wanted him at first, saying he was too small, not strong enough and things like that.
He said the transfer team spoke to him and persuaded him that Salah would be great for us.
So being the self effacing kind of bloke he is, Klopp ended up laughing about it and how he was wrong."

either way you cut this, if true it does not speak to a manager that is fully in charge of the transfers to me

That's nice, but now it's time to see some silverware.

Totally agree - the improvements have been made off the pitch to try and make us win on the pitch , the platform is there for the manager and the players - it’s up to them now to bring home trophies

The club was in debt and in financial trouble - fact

That just meant FSG got Liverpool FC for a knockdown bargain price!!

The club was struggling in the league for a number of years - fact

Only two years previously we had been in a title race - we suffered one F***ing season cos Rafa had a transfer kitty of about £3 million imposed on him - so yeah you're chatting sh*te here!!

They have improved the club - fact

They've improved the main stand - don't know about the club as a whole, personally a lot that has gone on at the club the applause should be given to Klopp, he's changed a lot.

We are in a better position both on and off the field than we have been for a significant period - fact

If I have something wrong then please do correct me

Was amazed to read this after how most people here was saying the Klopp is in charge of transfers....

"Yes, there was an interview last season where Salah was scoring a sh*t ton of goals, and Klopp revealed he hadn't wanted him at first, saying he was too small, not strong enough and things like that.
He said the transfer team spoke to him and persuaded him that Salah would be great for us.
So being the self effacing kind of bloke he is, Klopp ended up laughing about it and how he was wrong."

either way you cut this, if true it does not speak to a manager that is fully in charge of the transfers to me

Yes it does, as long as the person reading it isn't intent on stirring the sh*t.

Klopp works with his team, he trusts them to do the job they are supposed to do.

He gives the TC a list of positions he wants to fill.
Based on his criteria, the TC produces a list of players with the skillsets Klopp requires.
Klopp looks at the list of players, asks for opinions on the best fit, takes the advice on board and then makes his decision.
It's a collegiate way of working, and is highly effective.
Klopp has this team (as does every other club) because he doesn't have enough time to look at every single player who might fit the bill.
Klopp knew about Salah, but hadn't kept up with his career.
Edwards and the TC had all his stats, and had watched him play, they also used various metrics in a computer program to quantify the qualities Klopp was looking for (same as every big club)
When Klopp was presented with the stats, the metrics and other evidence, he changed his mind and said "OK, let's get him".
The money men get in touch with Roma, the haggling commences, and the player is acquired.

That speaks of a manager who is absolutely in charge of who is bought for his team.

Stop trying to stir the pot.

That's nice, but now it's time to see some silverware.

And when we do win some, there will still be people going on about FSG. I get it, but the club is in a good place right now and regardless of the mistakes made, FSG seem to be putting the right people in place to right the ship. I think they at least deserve credit for that, but you are right, now it’s time for some hardware.

I am just trying to think of any situation where Jürgen isn't in control nope cant think of one .

Who reshaped it and made it self sustaining? God?

How light are you on the history of LFC?
LFC was always a self sustaining entity before the fraudsters who nearly bankrupted the club.

How light are you on the history of LFC?
LFC was always a self sustaining entity before the fraudsters who nearly bankrupted the club.

Really?

So why did Moores sell, stating that he couldn't afford to pump in the amount of money needed, or finance the new stadium, and why had he spent years pumping his own money in?

Seems to me it is you who is light on the history of the club.

You can’t teach a pig to sing. That’s what it’s like when you argue with Stuey. He believes only what he wants and if you track him with facts or logic, it devolves into the tit for tat name calling and straw man arguments.

Might as well save yourselves the trouble. Just nod in agreement with him and move on.

Where have I indulged in name calling?
If you are referring to me calling the other fella a wum, that is all I can conclude when he asks debatable questions that have been discussed and dismissed previously.

How light are you on the history of LFC?
LFC was always a self sustaining entity before the fraudsters who nearly bankrupted the club.

Self sustaining ? Does that include when the previous owner ( before Hicks and Co ) had to pay for a player from their own pocket to lend the club money

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.squawka.com/en/news/moores-had-to-lend-liverpool-money-to-sign-dirk-kuyt/492198%3famp-on

or when the money from Littlewoods helped

Moore’s sold the club because he couldn’t keep up financially or build a new stadium

Where have I indulged in name calling?
If you are referring to me calling the other fella a wum, that is all I can conclude when he asks debatable questions that have been discussed and dismissed previously.

You called me a Manc and an Everton fan then a Wum - sorry for asking you relevant questions to the thread , I’m pretty new here and there is a lot of pages but it’s clear when you are challenged respectfully you respond in the mirror fashion.

And when we do win some, there will still be people going on about FSG. I get it, but the club is in a good place right now and regardless of the mistakes made, FSG seem to be putting the right people in place to right the ship. I think they at least deserve credit for that, but you are right, now it’s time for some hardware.

This all began with somebody crediting the owners for Klopp's achievements, FSG's record pre-Klopp was abysmal.

I’ll try and respond - the club was still in debt and financially crippled

We were only going backwards in the league - we had one decent finish in the past 7 years , one second place and that’s it , one year where we weren’t out of any title challenge by about February

Klopp is in the position to provide what he does because of the improvements off the field and the desire for the owners to win - Klopp wouldn’t go to a club unless he knows it’s in a position to move forward

You called me a Manc and an Everton fan then a Wum - sorry for asking you relevant questions to the thread , I’m pretty new here and there is a lot of pages but it’s clear when you are challenged respectfully you respond in the mirror fashion.

As abuse goes none of the instances you quote qualify as such.

This all began with somebody crediting the owners for Klopp's achievements, FSG's record pre-Klopp was abysmal.

It’s the “club’s Achievements” - things don’t go well on the pitch if they aren’t great off the pitch. It all needs to be working well - the commercial side and the football side. But also remember before Klopp there was one trophy win and the closet we have gone to winning the league

FSG got really lucky with Couthino and Suarez but the real big win was the TV money going through the roof lets not pretend these have brought the club to where it is working under the same constraints Moores had for instance. Since Moores day Broadcasting has brought in an Increase of more than £100million . Financially they have been lucky they had Hicks and Gillette who really didn't have a clue but where unlucky because after their leverage buyout the Banking crisis happened and the Bank Of Scotland were in difficulties and more than happy to see a £300 mil debt paid off in full.

FSG got really lucky with Couthino and Suarez but the real big win was the TV money going through the roof lets not pretend these have brought the club to where it is working under the same constraints Moores had for instance. Since Moores day Broadcasting has brought in an Increase of more than £100million . Financially they have been lucky they had Hicks and Gillette who really didn't have a clue but where unlucky because after their leverage buyout the Banking crisis happened and the Bank Of Scotland were in difficulties and more than happy to see a £300 mil debt paid off in full.

Did we really get lucky with those signings, or were they very astute acquisitions?
Personally, I think it's the latter.

We could also say that even though TV money has gone up a lot, so has the price of players, so it's a bit of swings and roundabouts for me.

The reason we are where we are is through one man and that is nothing to do with the owners. Don't forget the owners want a self financeial club but no doubt they will be milking the cow at the same time

I’ll try and respond - the club was still in debt and financially crippled

We were only going backwards in the league - we had one decent finish in the past 7 years , one second place and that’s it , one year where we weren’t out of any title challenge by about February

Klopp is in the position to provide what he does because of the improvements off the field and the desire for the owners to win - Klopp wouldn’t go to a club unless he knows it’s in a position to move forward

No No no we had a great period of success between 2000- 2009 unless you don't count those Trophies and finals as success. The period between 2010 and now is one of the leanest in the clubs history but that's ok because FSG have get our current account in order.