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      Reply #25600: Jun 18, 2019 06:03:00 pm
      Uefa the second most corrupt footballing body after FIFA have issued just 5000 tickets to Liverpool and Chelsea for the Super Cup.
      Could I suggest the owners get a grip of this and tell UEFA we get that for youth games and that is who we will be sending unless we get a proper allocation. Just today Platini being arrested for dodgy dealings with Qatar over the WC its just time for all clubs to back their supporters and tell UEFA to f**k right off and start respecting the people who are the foundations of the game because if supporters stop going football is dead.

      It's gone on for years mate, the corruption is so entrenched in EUFA and FIFA as to be almost accepted.
      Any investigation into the dealings of the top officials in both organisations sheds light on questionable practices,
      No wonder it took so long implementing VAR, if the same scrutiny were given to their dodgy dealings quite a number would be in the sin bin if past events are anything to go by.
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      Reply #25601: Jun 18, 2019 07:52:18 pm



      Couldn't agree more Walt,  in fact id go further,  I'd send the U18's, and no disrespect to those young lads but ,I'd send the tickets back and tell them to f**k off,
      Start a online campaign to boycott the game itself,  UEFA/FIFA rip off the fans year in year out, they need to be taught a lesson, Greedy Kunts !!

      What difference does it make what group of players is sent? It doesn’t change the situation and would be using the youngsters for the wrong reasons. None of us agree with the shitty way UEFA do things and the ticket allocations seem to be getting worse and worse but we should still play the game like any other IMO, if teams start trying to treat UEFA competitions in the manor that equates to the way the competition is run then all UEFA are going to do is dig their heels in even more. Eventually the fans will actually get to benefit properly but we don’t want to cut of our noses to spite our face because unfortunately, UEFA could become a lot more awkward if it’s not handled properly. As long as the club has our backs and is doing all they can do to change things then I still want us to go at it 100% because we all still want to be successful with silverware.
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      Reply #25602: Jun 18, 2019 08:27:13 pm
      It's gone on for years mate, the corruption is so entrenched in EUFA and FIFA as to be almost accepted.
      Any investigation into the dealings of the top officials in both organisations sheds light on questionable practices,
      No wonder it took so long implementing VAR, if the same scrutiny were given to their dodgy dealings quite a number would be in the sin bin if past events are anything to go by.

      Yes it has gone on for years so isn't it about time supporters got together to stop UEFA taking the piss. I doubt very much the TV companies would enjoy empty grounds if fans boycotted a game here and there. 5000 tickets is nothing short of insulting
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      Reply #25603: Jun 18, 2019 08:40:53 pm
      Yes it has gone on for years so isn't it about time supporters got together to stop UEFA taking the piss. I doubt very much the TV companies would enjoy empty grounds if fans boycotted a game here and there. 5000 tickets is nothing short of insulting

      Empty grounds won’t change anything, they’d just find a way to cut ticket allowances and insist on a large portion for all the corporations to then take the money in for them. Won’t change anything with TV companies either because it’s not attendances that get them deals happening and if stadiums are empty then do you really think everyone would boycott completely? Not a chance IMO and will just end up watching on the tele still so if anything the TV companies will benefit. TV companies will still get the subscriptions they need because the channels aren’t solely dedicated to football.
      Also empty grounds will just hamper the club and impact our finances. Everything you can think of will either lead to UEFA taking an alternative route to get what they want or is going to have a negative impact on the club. Unfortunately fans are very unlikely going to be able to do anything, the clubs know how much fans are pissed off and it’s down to them to fight our corner.
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      Reply #25604: Jun 18, 2019 10:52:14 pm
      Yes it has gone on for years so isn't it about time supporters got together to stop UEFA taking the piss. I doubt very much the TV companies would enjoy empty grounds if fans boycotted a game here and there. 5000 tickets is nothing short of insulting

      It is about time Football clubs worldwide took control back of their own destiny.Oh for the days when it was up to the clubs if they wanted to release a player for international duty.
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      Reply #25605: Jun 19, 2019 10:08:14 am
      Empty grounds won’t change anything, they’d just find a way to cut ticket allowances and insist on a large portion for all the corporations to then take the money in for them. Won’t change anything with TV companies either because it’s not attendances that get them deals happening and if stadiums are empty then do you really think everyone would boycott completely? Not a chance IMO and will just end up watching on the tele still so if anything the TV companies will benefit. TV companies will still get the subscriptions they need because the channels aren’t solely dedicated to football.
      Also empty grounds will just hamper the club and impact our finances. Everything you can think of will either lead to UEFA taking an alternative route to get what they want or is going to have a negative impact on the club. Unfortunately fans are very unlikely going to be able to do anything, the clubs know how much fans are pissed off and it’s down to them to fight our corner.

      What's the answer then 7KK7 ?
      Doing nothing only allows them to keep doing what their doing ,Ripping the F**kin Piss,
      Something has to be at least seen to be done, fans are powerless and not listened to, so the club with more sway would ,
      Our club do listen to the fans, so maybe fans could speak to those concerned and see what can be done ?

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      Reply #25606: Jun 19, 2019 12:45:53 pm
      What's the answer then 7KK7 ?
      Doing nothing only allows them to keep doing what their doing ,Ripping the F**kin Piss,
      Something has to be at least seen to be done, fans are powerless and not listened to, so the club with more sway would ,
      Our club do listen to the fans, so maybe fans could speak to those concerned and see what can be done ?

      YNWA

      I haven’t said do nothing, I said it needs to be done properly in a way that won’t lead to UEFA making the problem even worse. You’ve said that the club listens to the fans and ultimately no matter how much we want things to change, it’s down to the clubs to make sure that happens. But emptying grounds isn’t going to make the slightest bit of difference to UEFA because it would take every team to do that, not just one or two and they know it will never happen. Tickets sales from the fans make up very little of the income for UEFA in the grand scheme of things so to be honest they aren’t going to give a toss about that. The fact they make teams play behind closed doors from time to time for whatever punishment I think shows that. The clubs are the ones who can talk to them so they are the ones that can lead to changes being made.

      Playing youngsters isn’t the answer either because it’s using them for the wrong reasons. Here you go Adam Lewis, Curtis Jones and whoever, you are getting to play the Super Cup today instead of our strongest team, not because you’ve worked hard and deserve the chance, but because we want to try and treat UEFA competitions with the same contempt that they treat the fans... not a good look IMO.

      UEFA are a bunch of cu*ts but unfortunately there’s very little we can do about it due to the level of corruption there.
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      Reply #25607: Jul 08, 2019 12:58:37 pm
      This may be a stupid question but one that I dont know the answer to, but does Fenway own the woman's team as well?

      Reason I ask is because it seems to be a bit of a pushover in the WSL and it would be nice for 'the brand' and the club I guess for them to be up to standard of the mens team.

      Post womans world cup there will be more focus on the ladies game I feel. It's only going to get bigger.
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      Reply #25608: Jul 08, 2019 01:56:39 pm
      This may be a stupid question but one that I dont know the answer to, but does Fenway own the woman's team as well?

      Reason I ask is because it seems to be a bit of a pushover in the WSL and it would be nice for 'the brand' and the club I guess for them to be up to standard of the mens team.

      Post womans world cup there will be more focus on the ladies game I feel. It's only going to get bigger.

      Not in the UK it isn’t - just like last time , overhype of the Women’s Game during the World Cup , once it’s over all the hype does away.

      The standard is rubbish , it’s poor to watch and that’s the main reason why it’s not going to grow in the UK
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      Reply #25609: Jul 08, 2019 02:17:18 pm
      This may be a stupid question but one that I dont know the answer to, but does Fenway own the woman's team as well?

      Reason I ask is because it seems to be a bit of a pushover in the WSL and it would be nice for 'the brand' and the club I guess for them to be up to standard of the mens team.

      Post womans world cup there will be more focus on the ladies game I feel. It's only going to get bigger.

      I doubt it, at least at the club level. In the US they haven't been able to keep a women's league afloat for long. Not enough talent to fill so many teams at a club level in various countries.
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      Reply #25610: Jul 08, 2019 02:17:48 pm
      Not in the UK it isn’t - just like last time , overhype of the Women’s Game during the World Cup , once it’s over all the hype does away.

      The standard is rubbish , it’s poor to watch and that’s the main reason why it’s not going to grow in the UK

      but but they deserve the same money as men get.....ha ha ha not before hell freezes over. I cant think of a mens team in any league that wouldn't give the best Womens team a good hiding. Its slow methodical and football by numbers. If its so good people will flock to watch it but just like Tranmere they will always struggle to get more than 5k-7k because of the quality. All this hype for womens sport is easy to over come just make all Sport gender neutral and open to all.
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      Reply #25611: Jul 08, 2019 02:30:51 pm
      I doubt it, at least at the club level. In the US they haven't been able to keep a women's league afloat for long. Not enough talent to fill so many teams at a club level in various countries.

      The buzz will only exist in a corporate and marketing sense. It changes nothing in a.competitve context. Every four years a group of Americans get excited for no apparent reason, and the rest of the world get excited about trying to stick it to the Americans. Then it ends and we move on.
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      Reply #25612: Jul 08, 2019 08:15:27 pm
      but but they deserve the same money as men get.....ha ha ha not before hell freezes over. I cant think of a mens team in any league that wouldn't give the best Womens team a good hiding. Its slow methodical and football by numbers. If its so good people will flock to watch it but just like Tranmere they will always struggle to get more than 5k-7k because of the quality. All this hype for womens sport is easy to over come just make all Sport gender neutral and open to all.

      Haha I dont think equal pay is seriously on the agenda. Just dont see why we are languishing down the bottom year on year and think it would be better to sort it out a bit.

      Like it or not there is an agenda to get womens ckub football into the mainstream. I see already that the WSL has a new sponsor and greater prize money. I think the ladies team while carrying Liverpools name, badge, kit etc... will have to raise its game.
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      Reply #25613: Jul 08, 2019 10:58:27 pm
      The product (women's football) is simply not good enough to command a decent TV audience . The media are busting a gut to push this agenda but in the end people will vote with one of their digits and not tune in.
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      Reply #25614: Jul 09, 2019 09:47:58 am
      While I think it's good there is a push for women's football at the moment some comments are absolutely crazy as some have pointed out.

      The world cup has been good, and should hopefully get some more funding into the women's side of the game which will help develop better players. It will have to be a slow build where we see the quality increase over time, and with the increase in quality comes a gradual increase in funding and pay for the players. It's the only way to do it.

      The calls for men and women to be paid the same will only serve to kill women's football forever. Why on earth would a club pay the women's side which take in less than half a percent of the clubs revenue the same as the mens team? It just doesn't make sense at all. If in some weird theoretical world clubs were forced to pay the men's and women's team the same amount, then clubs would happily scap the women's team, no question about it.

      Now if there is a sudden boom and the women's team is selling out Anfield every week, then fair enough they deserve the same money, but that's not the case right now so they just don't. Like I said, slow increases to funding and wages will bring slow increase in the product which in turn keeps the funding and wages trending upwards.

      Let's not get carried away on a wave of social justice here. The women's game is miles better than 20 years ago, but still a long way to go before we start looking at it like the UFC, track and field or tennis.

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      Reply #25615: Jul 09, 2019 12:13:53 pm
      While I think it's good there is a push for women's football at the moment some comments are absolutely crazy as some have pointed out.

      The world cup has been good, and should hopefully get some more funding into the women's side of the game which will help develop better players. It will have to be a slow build where we see the quality increase over time, and with the increase in quality comes a gradual increase in funding and pay for the players. It's the only way to do it.

      The calls for men and women to be paid the same will only serve to kill women's football forever. Why on earth would a club pay the women's side which take in less than half a percent of the clubs revenue the same as the mens team? It just doesn't make sense at all. If in some weird theoretical world clubs were forced to pay the men's and women's team the same amount, then clubs would happily scap the women's team, no question about it.

      Now if there is a sudden boom and the women's team is selling out Anfield every week, then fair enough they deserve the same money, but that's not the case right now so they just don't. Like I said, slow increases to funding and wages will bring slow increase in the product which in turn keeps the funding and wages trending upwards.

      Let's not get carried away on a wave of social justice here. The women's game is miles better than 20 years ago, but still a long way to go before we start looking at it like the UFC, track and field or tennis.

      Do track athletes get equal pay?

      More on topic, corporate America pays a lot of.lip service to issues like this, but ultimately they respond to the marketplace, and as Mags says, the respective markets for men's and women's football are light years apart. Fenway is likely going to get a lot of good publicity with this, will probably try to somehow involve the USA team with the Liverpool Ladies somewhere in the tour, and then things move on as before.
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      Reply #25616: Jul 09, 2019 01:12:42 pm

      The calls for men and women to be paid the same will only serve to kill women's football forever. Why on earth would a club pay the women's side which take in less than half a percent of the clubs revenue the same as the mens team? It just doesn't make sense at all. If in some weird theoretical world clubs were forced to pay the men's and women's team the same amount, then clubs would happily scap the women's team, no question about it.


      Who's campaigning for equal pay at the club level? i have only heard of this happening in the US at the national level.
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      Reply #25617: Jul 09, 2019 02:10:41 pm
      Who's campaigning for equal pay at the club level? i have only heard of this happening in the US at the national level.

      It's mostly people who's opinion shouldn't be taken seriously to be honest.

      The US one I can actually agree with. The men and women get a wage for playing for the national team and if anything, the women should be getting more. They not only have more success but sell more kits and have more people come and watch them play. Makes sense to give them more money.

      At club level there is not the same amount of popularity however and the pay should curtailed there as it's not a sensible option for the women's game at club level.
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      Reply #25618: Jul 09, 2019 02:42:07 pm
      Who's campaigning for equal pay at the club level? i have only heard of this happening in the US at the national level.
       

      Just an easy slogan but the complaints are genuine.Bigger issue is the money in football staying at the top and not getting down to the ordinary folks at grassroots level,dunno why anyone would advocate for that.Football was always about access for all.So money should come from the rich cu*ts making hundreds of thousands a week to the poor kids trying to find a field,the local clubs trying to buy goals,balls etc to the u-14's to the womens teams etc etc.The corporate suits that sit back skimming off the cash are a f**king cancer.The minimum salary in the us womens league is less than 20,000,but there's folks saying that's OK?? cos the games are poor.Working class heroes.
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      Reply #25619: Jul 09, 2019 02:49:04 pm
      This may be a stupid question but one that I dont know the answer to, but does Fenway own the woman's team as well?

      Reason I ask is because it seems to be a bit of a pushover in the WSL and it would be nice for 'the brand' and the club I guess for them to be up to standard of the mens team.

      Post womans world cup there will be more focus on the ladies game I feel. It's only going to get bigger.
       

      Don't forget we won the league twice 4 or 5 years back but yeah they did a revamp type thing of the team,which has kinda killed it,Our u-18 team won the league last year so maybe they are looking that way,do need a few quality internationals in though.I guess we'll see how it plays out over the post world cup/preseason now.
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      Reply #25620: Jul 09, 2019 02:53:23 pm
      women's football is compared to EPl a very poor standard and like the lower leagues they are rewarded accordingly  Give me Tranmere to watch every week compared to womans football
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      Reply #25621: Jul 09, 2019 03:01:46 pm
      women's football is compared to EPl a very poor standard and like the lower leagues they are rewarded accordingly  Give me Tranmere to watch every week compared to womans football
         

      What kinda argument is that? course it is,still doesn't stop the epl putting out some garbage games though.The difference between Tranmere and say Marine or COL is big too but does that mean there is no place for them in football?
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      Reply #25622: Jul 09, 2019 05:02:06 pm
      A few things on equal pay, when it relates to football (and in this case, American football - I'm certain this is what would drive FSG thinking on starting any women's team).

      Revenue generated from last year’s Men’s World Cup (otherwise known as: The World Cup) was just more than 6 Billion (with a “B” and all my currency on this post are U.S. dollars). Revenue from the just completed Women’s World Cup was $130 Million (with an “M”). The prize money therefore, is not going to be equal, because the revenue is far from equal.

      Now, for the U.S. Women’s and Men’s National Teams, the women’s matches indeed generated more revenue in 2018 (with the men failing to make the World Cup finals). But the difference is telling, because the women’s team here has won the Olympics four times and The World Cup four times, they are folk heroes of a sort – subject of ad campaigns, etc. but their matches earned 50.8 million. At the same time, the men’s team, a bunch of nobodies who most casual sports fans in America couldn’t name a single player of (or maybe one or two – far less than women’s team members) – their matches generated 49.9 million in revenue, playing fewer overall matches – less than 1 million in difference.

      Supposedly the USA women did make more including bonuses in 2018 than the men, not sure of the exact numbers there (It seems simple enough that the U.S. Federation would negotiate bargaining agreements with both national teams and base it on  revenue earned - including merchandise, sponsorship, etc. – I don’t know what  the numbers would end up being with this, but perhaps they would be fairly close – and who could really argue with similar or equal pay for that?) -

      The women’s pro league in America, as others on here have noted, has struggled at the ticket window. This is the third or fourth iteration of a national women’s league. A team folded last year and there are nine remaining. Two average more than 10,000 in attendance, but the other 7 all draw fewer than 5,000 per game. In the men’s league, Major League Soccer, the lowest attendance average is for Chicago, at 11K per match. The leading team, Atlanta, draws 70,000 per game and its overall attendance for four games has outdrawn the entire women’s league attendance for the season. So they aren’t getting equal pay for that.

      Of course the differences in attendance between men’s and women’s matches in England are far greater, and you also have fairly well attended men’s matches all the way into the 5th and 6th tiers of the English football pyramid. But it is the market that drives the pay for these players, as it does in most industries, including entertainment. 

      Equal pay for equal work sounds good, but ultimately the real world is about equal pay for equal value (not a subjective definition of value – but value as shown in the evidence). If a place of business is artificially rigging this system to keep a group of people down, all it takes is the public market to rise up and say, “we like the product that X (in this case, women footballers) produces better or an equal amount” and the wage structure will follow the market demand.
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      Reply #25623: Jul 09, 2019 07:07:58 pm
         

      What kinda argument is that? course it is,still doesn't stop the epl putting out some garbage games though.The difference between Tranmere and say Marine or COL is big too but does that mean there is no place for them in football?

      its not an argument its a fact and the fact is in sport you get paid what you are worth .
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      Reply #25624: Jul 09, 2019 08:10:53 pm
      its not an argument its a fact and the fact is in sport you get paid what you are worth .

      Well that’s not true at all. Unless for example you think Rashford is worth 300k a week. To which if you do, then you are saying he’s worth more than any of our lads because we aren’t paying anyone, even Virgil that kind of money. Get paid what you’re worth apparently...

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