NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

JWH is a man of his word after insisting LFC will be a self-financing entity and he will not use FSG money to bolster the club.

Success in that scenario can only be achieved with a world class manager.

JWG stated he wouldn’t use any of his own personal finances to bolster the club - the money that the club earns is FSG money and they invest any of that money earned into the club , they have used their own money to provide credit facilities to help with the stadium improvements

It’s laughable that for years we pointed fingers at Chelsea and City for “buying the league” and then laughed at UTD for leveraging debt on the club and now people like yourself want to put debt on because it’s “manageable” ?! In the current situation?

Utd’s debt has cost the club £1.2bn in interest repayments and current the overall debt is close to £500mil after there was a share split

And the constant insistence that every good that has happened is solely down to Klopp is very disrespectful to the work done by Edwards and his team

Mistrust of American owners per se is way off the mark Billy, the other pricks were fraudsters full stop, NESV are business entity who will look for a self-sustaining proposition that requires minimal or zero input that will give an excellent return when put on the market.

Unlike a bricks and mortar investment for instance,  a football club is an entirely different prospect with complex and ever changing variants that require understanding and familiarity not only with the game itself but the cultural ramifications entwined in its support structure.

Only a manager like Jürgen Klopp has the wherewithal to bring LFC the success it is enjoying, the years of failure under an assortment of managers is proof of the assertion, only Klopp's loyalty and love of the club and the city has brought glory to both.
He has the genius and charisma to attract potential superstars which is why FSG paid a surprising fee for his services, that genius allows him to operate under minimal financial support from the owners.
Jürgen and Jürgen alone has brought us the glory we craved mate and long may it continue, he is the most sought after manager on earth, little wonder FSG paid multi-millions of LFC money to acquire him.
 I really fail to understand the reasoning Billy, NESV are an example of astute market players and cannot even call football by its proper name, their one sound decision was appointing Klopp, he alone lets them share our glory (glory which of course strengthens their investment ).

It is a known fact Stuey that when NESV- FSG took over the club they had a plan for taking the club forward, they have in the months/years have brought in several investors to back up their plans, like standard Chartered, Dunkin Doughnuts, Western Union etc,
When they appointment Jürgen, they knew what they were getting and knew that for them and their plans he was pivotal to making it a success,

They did their due diligence on Jürgen mainly whilst at BvB and seen how he could build a winning entity with minimal investment with maximum results, he did similar at Mainz too, albeit at a lesser degree,

You are 100% correct in that the success we have enjoyed these last two seasons is mainly down to Jürgen, however, he himself will openly admit that all of our successes are a team effort and not solely down to him alone, and it started with the plan FSG set in place when they bought LFC,

They had ppl in place that would carry their plans through and as we are all aware there were plenty of teething problems in the first 2/3 years, plenty of lessons to be learnt from their POV, I think this where your contempt for them comes in, I must admit mate I too was sceptical and it took a long time for me to realise that, these owners are not the pariah’s I thought they we’re going to be, In fact they have turned out quite the opposite and I am very pleased by the way they conduct their business,


Their Modus Operandi suits us to a tee, that we only invest the monies we earn, this is one of their reasons for bringing Klopp in, this was part of the grand plan, and it’s working, Jürgen isn’t being frugal because FSG tell him to be, that’s how he himself works, he builds teams with minimal investment and has them working as one well oiled machine, and parts of said machine will only be replaced by parts that will fit perfectly, they have to fit his criteria or they are not added, he will not add if he doesn’t think adding is required, or he feels those he has at the academy have the required skills, mentality etc to make the step up,


Again you are 100% correct, Jürgen Klopp is the only manager on the planet with the wherewithal to raise the Phoenix from the ashes, he is the perfect fit, found at the perfect time, found by FSG, they recognise in Jürgen that he, and he alone was their Messiah, in the years to come from Oct ‘15’ will be known as the Klopp era, know one knows when his era will end, perhaps only himself , until then Stuey mate, just enjoy the glory in our midst, lap it up like a puppy with a cone, cos no one knows when it will end, and if you can rid yourself of the scepticism of our very good owners, you might enjoy it even more .





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Have to say that their only mistake in my book was our previous manager.

Facht :

Brendan Rodgers bought 33 players for £296,550,000.

Net Spend of £100,000,000 in three years.

We  still lost to Stoke 1-6 in his last season.

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Jürgen :  since October 2015 - Five Years     Net Spend: £63,600,000 .

Let's also remember Moores, that was determined run a business model so opposite to united that we financially went in the opposite direction and he had to sell to h&g.

To be fair to Moores hindsight is a wonderful thing. At the time it was felt he was still trying to keep the community feel to the club rather than selling out commercially like it was felt Utd were doing.

It is a known fact Stuey that when NESV- FSG took over the club they had a plan for taking the club forward, they have in the months/years have brought in several investors to back up their plans, like standard Chartered, Dunkin Doughnuts, Western Union etc,
When they appointment Jürgen, they knew what they were getting and knew that for them and their plans he was pivotal to making it a success,

Fairy muff Billy they have brought the sponsors into the fold and those you mention are associated with NESV, that association surely influenced any decision, fair play they have promoted the club well and our success has drawn a myriad of sponsors.

They did their due diligence on Jürgen mainly whilst at BvB and seen how he could build a winning entity with minimal investment with maximum results, he did similar at Mainz too, albeit at a lesser degree,

Klopp was no 1 target for a number of top clubs, he had an empathy with LFC and was determined to bring back those glory days of yesteryear no doubt disgusted at the shambolic state of affairs the club was reduced to, he knew he could apply his genius to the job.
 FSG were blessed in retaining his services.

You are 100% correct in that the success we have enjoyed these last two seasons is mainly down to Jürgen, however, he himself will openly admit that all of our successes are a team effort and not solely down to him alone, and it started with the plan FSG set in place when they bought LFC,

That "plan" seemed to begin coincidentally with the appointment of Klopp mate, all their appointments previously were disastrous for one reason or the other, there was widespread dissatisfaction with the so called "plan".

They had ppl in place that would carry their plans through and as we are all aware there
were plenty of teething problems in the first 2/3 years, plenty of lessons to be learnt from their POV, I think this where your contempt for them comes in, I must admit mate I too was sceptical and it took a long time for me to realise that, these owners are not the pariah’s I thought they we’re going to be, In fact they have turned out quite the opposite and I am very pleased by the way they conduct their business,


Their Modus Operandi suits us to a tee, that we only invest the monies we earn, this is one of their reasons for bringing Klopp in, this was part of the grand plan, and it’s working, Jürgen isn’t being frugal because FSG tell him to be, that’s how he himself works, he builds teams with minimal investment and has them working as one well oiled machine, and parts of said machine will only be replaced by parts that will fit perfectly, they have to fit his criteria or they are not added, he will not add if he doesn’t think adding is required, or he feels those he has at the academy have the required skills, mentality etc to make the step up,


Again you are 100% correct, Jürgen Klopp is the only manager on the planet with the wherewithal to raise the Phoenix from the ashes, he is the perfect fit, found at the perfect time, found by FSG, they recognise in Jürgen that he, and he alone was their Messiah, in the years to come from Oct ‘15’ will be known as the Klopp era, know one knows when his era will end, perhaps only himself , until then Stuey mate, just enjoy the glory in our midst, lap it up like a puppy with a cone, cos no one knows when it will end, and if you can rid yourself of the scepticism of our very good owners, you might enjoy it even more .





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Sceptical does cover it Billy while being something of an understatement, having supported this club through decades of achievement and glory,times of tragedy and rebirth our present all conquering LFC outfit is a source of unimaginable pride and joy.

Any reservation comes in surveying prospects in the long term, FSG are a business entity with no interest or knowledge of soccer, while there are mutterings about people in their employ contributing whatever to our success, when Klopp exits we are back to square 1 and FSG do not have the acumen and maybe not the will to sort it.
I want too see our man bring us unrelenting glory for 25 years but it won't happen mate.

Think it's common k that Klopp will finish here at the end of his contract...2024.

Saying FSG know nothing about football isn't really right. They may not know much about the tactical side of the game but you can be sure they know all there is to know about every other aspect of the game. They fully get the fanatical dedication and loyalty this club generates amoung the fans. They know the emotional attachment this club generates. And yes they know how to exploit that.

Football and money aren't easy bedfellows. There is always an undercurrent of mistrust coming from the fans.That in itself is not a bad thing. We tolerate the exploitation as long as they stay fully focused on bringing success here. They need us just as much as we need them.

Think it's common k that Klopp will finish here at the end of his contract...2024.

Saying FSG know nothing about football isn't really right. They may not know much about the tactical side of the game but you can be sure they know all there is to know about every other aspect of the game. They fully get the fanatical dedication and loyalty this club generates amoung the fans. They know the emotional attachment this club generates. And yes they know how to exploit that.

Football and money aren't easy bedfellows. There is always an undercurrent of mistrust coming from the fans.That in itself is not a bad thing. We tolerate the exploitation as long as they stay fully focused on bringing success here. They need us just as much as we need them.

As ever, some people's views are outdated, their information is old, and they don't bother to make it current.

Mike Gordon increased his stake a few years ago, and took over the running of the club, leaving Henry to concentrate on baseball.

Gordon spends a lot of time over here, goes to most games, and has become a huge fan of football, immersing himself in the culture of the game and the club.
So while he doesn't know as much as Klopp (who does), he's probably more knowledgeable than the fella accusing him of having no knowledge.
Mike Gordon is the reason I think FSG will be here, in one form or another for many years to come.
He may end up buying us himself.

JWH is a man of his word after insisting LFC will be a self-financing entity and he will not use FSG money to bolster the club.

Success in that scenario can only be achieved with a world class manager.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/Jürgen-klopp-leave-liverpool-contract-22533435

Mr Klopp admits LFC could be his last job in football :- "I will take a year off in 2024 and if I don't miss it, that will be the end of coach Jürgen".

Let's hope he does miss the club, the city and the people.

As ever, some people's views are outdated, their information is old, and they don't bother to make it current.

Mike Gordon increased his stake a few years ago, and took over the running of the club, leaving Henry to concentrate on baseball.

Gordon spends a lot of time over here, goes to most games, and has become a huge fan of football, immersing himself in the culture of the game and the club.
So while he doesn't know as much as Klopp (who does), he's probably more knowledgeable than the fella accusing him of having no knowledge.
Mike Gordon is the reason I think FSG will be here, in one form or another for many years to come.
He may end up buying us himself.

Baulk at saying it's naive to think FSG don't know the game and can only see the numbers. I'm sure they could saddle us with debt with a bit of creative accounting. That's the case at United and obviously most United fans like Keith can see right through the Glazer family.

As you know there is a healthy mistrust of the money people involved in football but you can have the best owners, best financial set up possible and they'll still get stick. We have the right manager, that's obviously crucial but that won't necessarily always be the case, but it's in FSG's interest to get the best man in next time. That'll be the case whoever owns the club.

Baulk at saying it's naive to think FSG don't know the game and can only see the numbers. I'm sure they could saddle us with debt with a bit of creative accounting. That's the case at United and obviously most United fans like Keith can see right through the Glazer family.

As you know there is a healthy mistrust of the money people involved in football but you can have the best owners, best financial set up possible and they'll still get stick. We have the right manager, that's obviously crucial but that won't necessarily always be the case, but it's in FSG's interest to get the best man in next time. That'll be the case whoever owns the club.

Whatever your assertions about the support base and/or loyalty to the owners the fact remains that Klopp's admiration and empathy with LFC were a major factor in him joining the club, that said any financial inducement or secondary persuasion were of little consequence in the man's decision.
FSG failed miserably to appoint the right man for the job pre-Klopp and more of the same is not a pleasant prospect, maybe a football genius that can transform mediocrity will emerge if the incumbent does exit.
 The owners and supporters will pray he decides to stay.

Whatever your assertions about the support base and/or loyalty to the owners the fact remains that Klopp's admiration and empathy with LFC were a major factor in him joining the club, that said any financial inducement or secondary persuasion were of little consequence in the man's decision.
FSG failed miserably to appoint the right man for the job pre-Klopp and more of the same is not a pleasant prospect, maybe a football genius that can transform mediocrity will emerge if the incumbent does exit.
 The owners and supporters will pray he decides to stay.

Quite confident that we'll appoint a decent successor to Klopp, he's made it pretty clear that he won't be staying past 2024 and I can't see him leaving sooner unless something drastic happens. We've got a date to plan towards and plenty of time to interview & assess potential candidates, so I certainly wouldn't expect it to be a knee jerk decision

Baulk at saying it's naive to think FSG don't know the game and can only see the numbers. I'm sure they could saddle us with debt with a bit of creative accounting. That's the case at United and obviously most United fans like Keith can see right through the Glazer family.

As you know there is a healthy mistrust of the money people involved in football but you can have the best owners, best financial set up possible and they'll still get stick. We have the right manager, that's obviously crucial but that won't necessarily always be the case, but it's in FSG's interest to get the best man in next time. That'll be the case whoever owns the club.

I think an element of mistrust is healthy.
It lets the owners know they are being watched if nothing else, and as we saw a few years back, direct action which stems from that knowledge can actually win.

I've pretty much stopped looking through the annual accounts now.
Sometimes I have a look if I'm bored or curious, but I don't apply anywhere near the same level of scrutiny that I once did.

Speaking of Klopp's successor, I reckon another youngish German bloke will get it.
It seems there's quite the conveyor belt of managerial talent over there, and I'd expect Klopp to have some input as well.

Whatever your assertions about the support base and/or loyalty to the owners the fact remains that Klopp's admiration and empathy with LFC were a major factor in him joining the club, that said any financial inducement or secondary persuasion were of little consequence in the man's decision.
FSG failed miserably to appoint the right man for the job pre-Klopp and more of the same is not a pleasant prospect, maybe a football genius that can transform mediocrity will emerge if the incumbent does exit.
 The owners and supporters will pray he decides to stay.

Well yes but we are now truely a global force, and certainly in the top echelons of the European game. We can and will attract the best.Nothing is guaranteed we know but there is now a underlying rock solid strength to the club. That is down to Klopp and his backroom staff. FSG have obviously benefited. I'm not loyal to them, my loyalty is with the team and the City.Same as every other fan I suspect.

Your scepticism isn't necessarily misplaced. I can be as suspicious of them as much as the next fan but as I said I'll tolerate their exploitation so long as they put the team first. And they have to do that if they want their investment to grow.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/Jürgen-klopp-leave-liverpool-contract-22533435

Mr Klopp admits LFC could be his last job in football :- "I will take a year off in 2024 and if I don't miss it, that will be the end of coach Jürgen".

Let's hope he does miss the club, the city and the people.

If not I'm sure it will be FSG's fault!!

I think an element of mistrust is healthy.
It lets the owners know they are being watched if nothing else, and as we saw a few years back, direct action which stems from that knowledge can actually win.

I've pretty much stopped looking through the annual accounts now.
Sometimes I have a look if I'm bored or curious, but I don't apply anywhere near the same level of scrutiny that I once did.

Speaking of Klopp's successor, I reckon another youngish German bloke will get it.
It seems there's quite the conveyor belt of managerial talent over there, and I'd expect Klopp to have some input as well.

Or we could go local and appoint the Lone Ranger...hi ho silver...awayee....in a Huyton accent..

If not I'm sure it will be FSG's fault!!

Certainly wouldn't complain with regard to the Gaffa's intention to step down in 2024. The demands are almost intolerable. I'll wish him well.Enjoy his down time...go round to the Sandon and buy a round..we'll move on to the next custodian..we'll still be living with the pre-match tension while Klopp is sunning himself on some golden beech...nah he'll always be on our side and we can't ask for much more than that.

Quite confident that we'll appoint a decent successor to Klopp, he's made it pretty clear that he won't be staying past 2024 and I can't see him leaving sooner unless something drastic happens. We've got a date to plan towards and plenty of time to interview & assess potential
candidates, so I certainly wouldn't expect it to be a knee jerk decision

 

Let's not forget Jürgen cut short his traditional 7 year break to join LFC, given that fact his tenure at Anfield could be an exception to the rule, the wording of his statement does leave cause for some optimism.

If as time progresses, a decision to leave is set in stone Klopp's genius in producing world class footballers should be utilised in selecting a potential world class coach as his successor.
Plenty of time yet to appoint an understudy/potential replacement.

Let's not forget Jürgen cut short his traditional 7 year break to join LFC, given that fact his tenure at Anfield could be an exception to the rule, the wording of his statement does leave cause for some optimism.

If as time progresses, a decision to leave is set in stone Klopp's genius in producing world class footballers should be utilised in selecting a potential world class coach as his successor.
Plenty of time yet to appoint an understudy/potential replacement.

What “traditional 7 year break” ?


He spent 7 years at Mainz , then moved to Dortmund for for 7 years , left and a couple months later took over us .

What “traditional 7 year break” ?


He spent 7 years at Mainz , then moved to Dortmund for for 7 years , left and a couple months later took over us .

Give your arse a chance.

Give your arse a chance.

What “traditional 7 year break” ?


He spent 7 years at Mainz , then moved to Dortmund for for 7 years , left and a couple months later took over us .

Yeah mate

Why let facts get in the way 😂

Give your arse a chance.

Sorry did the facts confuse you ? You mentioned 7 year traditional break ? Can you clarify?

Or we could go local and appoint the Lone Ranger...hi ho silver...awayee....in a Huyton accent..

Maybe.

I'm not keen on nostalgia when it comes to managerial appointments.

I want the best man for the job, no matter where he's from.

Can you clarify?

Can you read??