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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      CT_LFC
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #26250: Sep 22, 2020 12:58:18 am
      Think this guy needs even more credit then he gets, can certainly pull out a ripper deal!

      Who buys Thiago for 5 million a year over 4 years + add ons? That's ridiculous.  :D :D


      No, you're wrong. We have been told by Stuey that Klopp is the only reason we have been successful.

      But really, Edwards is really effing good at what he does. If I have read correctly, we only paid $5M up front for Jota but Wolves have us all $9.5M up front for Hoever, so we actually pocketed 4.5 milly in the transaction.

      As i have said before, go find me another team in the league that is better run than Liverpool top to bottom.
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      Reply #26251: Sep 22, 2020 01:23:17 am
      No, you're wrong. We have been told by Stuey that Klopp is the only reason we have been successful.

      But really, Edwards is really effing good at what he does. If I have read correctly, we only paid $5M up front for Jota but Wolves have us all $9.5M up front for Hoever, so we actually pocketed 4.5 milly in the transaction.

      As i have said before, go find me another team in the league that is better run than Liverpool top to bottom.

      I just hope no one tries to poach him.
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      Reply #26252: Sep 22, 2020 09:13:57 am
      No, you're wrong. We have been told by Stuey that Klopp is the only reason we have been successful.

      But really, Edwards is really effing good at what he does. If I have read correctly, we only paid $5M up front for Jota but Wolves have us all $9.5M up front for Hoever, so we actually pocketed 4.5 milly in the transaction.

      As i have said before, go find me another team in the league that is better run than Liverpool top to bottom.

      Give your head a shake ffs.

      If Hodgson was here would Edwards or anyone else be able to persuade world class players to sign under his management??

      If LFC were not enjoying monumental success under Klopp would such players with enormous potential consider signing no matter who was negotiating??

      Klopp himself is currently considered the best manager on the planet with or without the assistance of various scouts.

      « Last Edit: Sep 22, 2020 12:25:04 pm by stuey »
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      Reply #26253: Sep 22, 2020 09:25:16 am
      Give your head a shake ffs.

      If Hodson was here would Edwards or anyone else be able to persuade world class players to sign under his management??

      If LFC were not enjoying monumental success under Klopp would such players with enormous potential consider signing no matter who was negotiating??

      Klopp himself is currently considered the best manager on the planet with or without the assistance of various scouts.



      Correct, but its also the team around klopp. and Edwards is doing some fantastic deals. especially selling our fringe players for fortunes.
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      Reply #26254: Sep 22, 2020 09:26:36 am
      Give your head a shake ffs.

      If Hodson was here would Edwards or anyone else be able to persuade world class players to sign under his management??

      If LFC were not enjoying monumental success under Klopp would such players with enormous potential consider signing no matter who was negotiating??

      Klopp himself is currently considered the best manager on the planet with or without the assistance of various scouts.

      Which world class players? Thiago, yeah, but the likes of Salah, Mane, Firmino & Van Dijk weren't considered world class at the time we signed them & all came from lesser clubs (Jürgen wasn't even the manager when Firmino joined). Klopp brought the best out of them, no doubt, but I've got a feeling most would have signed regardless for the opportunity to play for a bigger club and / or in the Premier League
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      Reply #26255: Sep 22, 2020 10:11:33 am
      Give your head a shake ffs.

      If Hodson was here would Edwards or anyone else be able to persuade world class players to sign under his management??

      If LFC were not enjoying monumental success under Klopp would such players with enormous potential consider signing no matter who was negotiating??

      Klopp himself is currently considered the best manager on the planet with or without the assistance of various scouts.



      Hodgson isn't here though because they got rid of him.

      So yet another thing they done right.
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      Reply #26256: Sep 22, 2020 11:15:27 am
      If Hodson was here would Edwards or anyone else be able to persuade world class players to sign under his management??

      Not wrong. Let's assume you're right. But getting the right deal takes an awful lot of strategising, deal structuring, and hard negotiation. This would be Edward's job. And to structure the right deals (numbers, not about players anymore), it's solely down to Edwards. No doubt Klopp makes it easier for players to come. But if the numbers are not right, the deals would not be done. And in deal making you can't win all the time. You need to give something to the other to bite. Klopp has no time to do this thing.

      If LFC were not enjoying monumental success under Klopp would such players with enormous potential consider signing no matter who was negotiating??

      There are different tiers of players. Maybe lower tier players would join us. For every deal, be it top tier or the lowest tier players, a good negotiator would always get you a good deal. We are talking about how good Mike Edwards is. The way he gets deals done is first class. That, we have to give credit to him. Klopp may have helped somewhat. But most of the deal making and the positive results I'm very sure is down to Mike Edwards. If Klopp wasn't here, I'm sure he'd have gotten us some good deals regardless (not talking about players we acquire but the deal structure). 
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      Reply #26257: Sep 22, 2020 11:20:42 am
      I just hope no one tries to poach him.

      Like we poached him from Spurs?

      ;)
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      Reply #26258: Sep 22, 2020 11:21:20 am

      As i have said before, go find me another team in the league that is better run than Liverpool top to bottom.


      Exactimundo.


      (Its the only thing Stu and I have disagreed with .... ever.)
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      Reply #26259: Sep 22, 2020 11:28:40 am
      Which world class players? Thiago, yeah, but the likes of Salah, Mane, Firmino & Van Dijk weren't considered world class at the time we signed them & all came from lesser clubs (Jürgen wasn't even the manager when Firmino joined). Klopp brought the best out of them, no doubt, but I've got a feeling most would have signed regardless for the opportunity to play for a bigger club and / or in the Premier League

      "Klopp brought the best out of them".
      Undisputed fact!

      The remainder of your comment is opinion and assumption.

      Likewise for the other comments about scouts etc and the genius of Klopp.
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      Reply #26260: Sep 22, 2020 11:40:44 am
      "Klopp brought the best out of them".
      Undisputed fact!

      The remainder of your comment is opinion and assumption.

      Wasn't arguing otherwise, but that wasn't your original point. You were implying that certain players wouldn't have signed unless Klopp was manager. I'm pretty sure Van Dijk and Mane would have swapped Southampton for Liverpool regardless of who was the manager. Just as the likes of Firmino, Coutinho and Suarez did before them

      You were arguing the other day that the reason Klopp signed was because he was drawn in by the romance & pull of Liverpool. Surely it's reasonable to think the same thing happens to players


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      Reply #26261: Sep 22, 2020 12:21:13 pm
      Wasn't arguing otherwise, but that wasn't your original point. You were implying that certain players wouldn't have signed unless Klopp was manager. I'm pretty sure Van Dijk and Mane would have swapped Southampton for Liverpool regardless of who was the manager. Just as the likes of Firmino, Coutinho and Suarez did before them

      You were arguing the other day that the reason Klopp signed was because he was drawn in by the romance & pull of Liverpool. Surely it's reasonable to think the same thing happens to players


      By definition and wording therein your response to my comment is merely personal opinion and assumption.
      Klopp is the sole reason for LFC's unparalleled success and success attracts winners.
      Mane and Virgil have blossomed under Klopp's coaching, a fact which both will endorse.

      While Jürgen is here scouts, club diplomats etc will come and go but the driving force will remain hopefully for many years to come..
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      Reply #26262: Sep 22, 2020 02:27:32 pm
      By definition and wording therein your response to my comment is merely personal opinion and assumption.
      Klopp is the sole reason for LFC's unparalleled success and success attracts winners.
      Mane and Virgil have blossomed under Klopp's coaching, a fact which both will endorse.

      While Jürgen is here scouts, club diplomats etc will come and go but the driving force will remain hopefully for many years to come..

      I guess it’s something that you haven’t really tackled yet but

      Salah - Klopp wanted Brandt and not Salah - Fallows persuaded Klopp hard that he was the signing to make

      That should show you that it’s not just the genuis of Klopp that has given us success , there are multiple genuis’s at the club to enable the success and miss anyone of them and we wouldn’t be a success
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      Reply #26263: Sep 22, 2020 02:32:46 pm
      Klopp himself is currently considered the best manager on the planet with or without the assistance of various scouts.

      I don't think anyone is suggesting that Jürgen isn't a huge pull for the club.  Most footballers wouldn't need much persuading to play for him.  There are many parts to a successful team but Klopp is clearly the biggest cog in the wheel.
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      Reply #26264: Sep 22, 2020 04:20:48 pm
      They have been good at signing players with the right attitudes. Whereas other clubs piss money away on the pogbas , Sanchez, Lukaku,  pepe, etc etc......yes money will always be a huge pull, but there will also always be ballers out there who want to win the big trophies and will want to surround themselves with lads of the same ilk
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      Reply #26265: Sep 22, 2020 05:03:26 pm
      I guess it’s something that you haven’t really tackled yet but

      Salah - Klopp wanted Brandt and not Salah - Fallows persuaded Klopp hard that he was the signing to make

      That should show you that it’s not just the genuis of Klopp that has given us success , there are multiple genuis’s at the club to enable the success and miss anyone of them and we wouldn’t be a success

      I don't think anyone is suggesting that Jürgen isn't a huge pull for the club.  Most footballers wouldn't need much persuading to play for him.  There are many parts to a successful team but Klopp is clearly the biggest cog in the wheel.

      On the contrary, some are suggesting Klopp could not have achieved without FSG or their appointed assistants.

      No better example than the f**king eejit above,.
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      Reply #26266: Sep 22, 2020 05:52:07 pm
      On the contrary, some are suggesting Klopp could not have achieved without FSG or their appointed assistants.

      No better example than the f**king eejit above,.

      Because this is correct.

      Players don't play for free, top players demand top wages. We have one of the highest wages in the league and if FSG weren't willing to pay those wages the players would leave and we'd be perennial bridesmaids like Spurs.
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      Reply #26267: Sep 22, 2020 06:08:39 pm
      On the contrary, some are suggesting Klopp could not have achieved without FSG or their appointed assistants.

      No better example than the f**king eejit above,.

      He couldn't and has said as much himself many times.
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      Reply #26268: Sep 22, 2020 07:58:29 pm
      On the contrary, some are suggesting Klopp could not have achieved without FSG or their appointed assistants.

      No better example than the f**king eejit above,.

      He couldn’t - he will even state that himself

      You really think a manager can do it all on his own without the best backroom staff along with scouts etc ?!!

      Come on you must be on a wind up now - or are you that stupid

      Yes Klopp is key to it all but he doesn’t get the success all on his own

      If the manager had his way we wouldn’t have Salah and Brandt instead
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      Reply #26269: Sep 22, 2020 08:14:50 pm
      The monies were in place from the sale of players, JWH stated FSG would not use their capital to finance the club.
      LFC are financially self-sustaining.
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      Reply #26270: Sep 22, 2020 08:16:20 pm
      One of the most bizzare disagreements Ive ever seen.

      Were blessed to have the best manager in the game who is blessed to have great people around him. One without the other likely leads to a different outcome then that of being European, English and world champions in the one year.
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      Reply #26271: Sep 22, 2020 08:18:06 pm
      The monies were in place from the sale of players, JWH stated FSG would not use their capital to finance the club.
      LFC are financially self-sustaining.


      Yes we know that - that’s nothing new so what’s the point you are making ?
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      Reply #26272: Sep 22, 2020 08:56:32 pm
      The monies were in place from the sale of players, JWH stated FSG would not use their capital to finance the club.
      LFC are financially self-sustaining.

      And perhaps the greatest gift FSG will ever give the club. Self solvency and survivability / success not dependent on anyone else.

      However, FSG could take what the team generates and take it out of the club or let it sit in the bank collecting dust instead of paying the top wages they do that allow Klopp and the team not just to keep its best players but add to them.
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      Reply #26273: Sep 22, 2020 09:15:09 pm
      Klopp and the clubs current success are the draw.
      These go hand in hand.
      Edwards has the ability to get the best deals from selling clubs and players, without throwing untold millions at it like chavs, shity and the two Spanish outfits.
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      Reply #26274: Sep 22, 2020 09:46:25 pm
      They brought in JK, and saw that they had a winner, then they brought in peeps, who could accomodate his wishes.
      He did not wish for the Messi's of this world, but players he thinks can work with, for his project, and they have delivered.
      I cannot see the problem, this season is another defining step, and JK knows this, he is prepping the squad for an onslaught and no doubt improve.

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