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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      CT_LFC
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #26275: Sep 22, 2020 10:13:51 pm
      They brought in JK, and saw that they had a winner, then they brought in peeps, who could accomodate his wishes.
      He did not wish for the Messi's of this world, but players he thinks can work with, for his project, and they have delivered.
      I cannot see the problem, this season is another defining step, and JK knows this, he is prepping the squad for an onslaught and no doubt improve.

      Definitely not in a rush to see his tenure end, but i am very interested in seeing how Klopp sets this team up for his departure in 2024.

      By then Van Dijk, Matip, Gini, Thiago, Firmino, Mo, Sadio and Hendo would all be in their mid 30s and he would not leave us with an aging squad like that so he is going to be doing a lot of retooling a couple years prior to that.

      As has been the case since day 1, the team will back him up in granting his wishes.
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      Reply #26276: Sep 23, 2020 08:33:57 am
      Definitely not in a rush to see his tenure end, but i am very interested in seeing how Klopp sets this team up for his departure in 2024.

      By then Van Dijk, Matip, Gini, Thiago, Firmino, Mo, Sadio and Hendo would all be in their mid 30s and he would not leave us with an aging squad like that so he is going to be doing a lot of retooling a couple years prior to that.

      As has been the case since day 1, the team will back him up in granting his wishes.
      Alisson, Trent, Gomez, Robbo, Fabinho and Keita all first team players will still be 30 or under (well except for Ali but that shouldn’t be an issue). Jota who has just came in should arguably be in his prime. Then we have talents like Jones, Elliott, Williams and many more who look very promising. I agree with you though it will be interesting, I think Jürgen already has an eye on the what the future will look like for this team.

      I mean look at Citeh, their mid to late 30’s players in 2024 will be Aguero, De Bruyne, Walker, Gundogan, Fernandinho and Mahrez. Although they will have probably spent another billion or so by that stage to refresh their squad.
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      Reply #26277: Sep 23, 2020 06:10:39 pm
      Alisson, Trent, Gomez, Robbo, Fabinho and Keita all first team players will still be 30 or under (well except for Ali but that shouldn’t be an issue). Jota who has just came in should arguably be in his prime. Then we have talents like Jones, Elliott, Williams and many more who look very promising. I agree with you though it will be interesting, I think Jürgen already has an eye on the what the future will look like for this team.

      I mean look at Citeh, their mid to late 30’s players in 2024 will be Aguero, De Bruyne, Walker, Gundogan, Fernandinho and Mahrez. Although they will have probably spent another billion or so by that stage to refresh their squad.

      Don't forget the new training complex.

      There's a lot to be said for integrated training.
      Younger players watching how the top players play the same systems.
      Young players more easily fast tracked into 1st squad training
      etc.
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      Reply #26278: Sep 23, 2020 08:59:26 pm
      Definitely not in a rush to see his tenure end, but i am very interested in seeing how Klopp sets this team up for his departure in 2024.

      By then Van Dijk, Matip, Gini, Thiago, Firmino, Mo, Sadio and Hendo would all be in their mid 30s and he would not leave us with an aging squad like that so he is going to be doing a lot of retooling a couple years prior to that.

      As has been the case since day 1, the team will back him up in granting his wishes.

      Who is saying he is going, If he feels he is up to his limit, he will deffo go, but.....?, We Believe/ hope
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      Reply #26279: Sep 23, 2020 09:54:47 pm
      Who is saying he is going, If he feels he is up to his limit, he will deffo go, but.....?, We Believe/ hope

      Understanding a lot can change between now and then, he is already on record saying he's gone in 2024.
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      Reply #26280: Sep 27, 2020 09:59:50 pm
      great owners  happy to have them.
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      Reply #26281: Sep 29, 2020 10:34:25 pm
      Should we chip in to help lower level clubs. I for one would be in favour of it. Been said about £200m could prevent clubs going down the pan. 20 Premier league clubs..£50m target..cud be. Government to pay the most.

      Will our owners sanction a decent donation. Could also make a case for the broadcasters to chip in as well. Sky and all the rest should chip in.Could be done on a monthy payment scheme.Maybe the players as well should be prepared to chip in more.
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      Reply #26282: Sep 30, 2020 12:12:09 am
      Should we chip in to help lower level clubs. I for one would be in favour of it. Been said about £200m could prevent clubs going down the pan. 20 Premier league clubs..£50m target..cud be. Government to pay the most.

      Will our owners sanction a decent donation. Could also make a case for the broadcasters to chip in as well. Sky and all the rest should chip in.Could be done on a monthy payment scheme.Maybe the players as well should be prepared to chip in more.

      The way things are going all the players will be "chipping in" when they negotiate their next contracts. That will be even more true if the top clubs take more of a role in supporting teams in the football league. Of course if businesses in general continue to spiral downward financially, the Premier League clubs will be having to cut back their own operations in the coming years anyway.

      I wonder if for the biggest clubs, there might be an interest in setting up caretaker arrangements with one or more lower league clubs to create something like what exists in Germany. Whilst it wouldn't turn, say, Tranmere, into Liverpool II with that team playing permanently in League One, the club could end up bankrolling a certain percentage of the lower club's payroll, and having oversight over coaching, player development, etc. all serving to lower the lower club's overhead. You would need to preserve the identity of the lower club, I understand, but it could come to this.

      I think that has a better chance of providing meaningful assistance than say, "here's 10 million pounds - now we've done our part."

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      Reply #26283: Oct 12, 2020 06:50:22 pm
      Talk of selling 25% to red bull!!
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      Reply #26284: Oct 12, 2020 06:51:46 pm
      Talk of selling 25% to red bull!!

      RedBall I think Brian..
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      Reply #26285: Oct 12, 2020 06:58:41 pm

      Yep it's Redball.

      Billy Beane something to do with them if I'm correct?
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      Reply #26286: Oct 12, 2020 06:59:24 pm
      Yep it's Redball.

      Billy Beane something to do with them if I'm correct?

      Sounds like a f**king circus owner
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      Reply #26287: Oct 12, 2020 07:04:51 pm

      Ah here i defo need to get to specsavers
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      Reply #26288: Oct 12, 2020 07:44:14 pm
      Sounds like a f**king circus owner

      Conveniently a former Red Sox Team manager and one of the main people behind the whole Moneyball system.
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      Reply #26289: Oct 12, 2020 08:03:13 pm
      Conveniently a former Red Sox Team manager and one of the main people behind the whole Moneyball system.

      Yep I believe so not that I know a lot of about the moneyball thing
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      Reply #26290: Oct 12, 2020 08:17:51 pm
      Moneyball

      Buying low selling high

      Accounts for the club as well as players
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      Reply #26291: Oct 13, 2020 12:00:15 am
      Billy Beane runs another American baseball club, the Oakland Athletics, not Boston.

      This group he has put together would be buying into FSG, not Liverpool per se. Reportedly there is an idea of building a network of clubs similar to what Red Bull has done, where Liverpool would of course be the pinnacle similar to the way RB Leipzig is for that outfit. The idea of course is teams where players from all over the world can be signed and developed before being sold or moved to Liverpool.

      FSG have always said they are open to a major investor.

      As far as Moneyball being buy low and sell high, remember that in American sports, players are not acquired via transfers between clubs. They are either swapped under their existing contracts or purchased as free agents (think Bosman transfers).

      But in Beane's case with Oakland, the owner didn't have the funds to compete with bigger market teams like New York, Boston and Los Angeles, so he used analytics to identify players he could sign for lower contracts. It's much more about buying low than it is about selling high.
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      Reply #26292: Oct 13, 2020 01:33:07 am
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      Reply #26293: Oct 14, 2020 04:20:45 pm
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      Reply #26294: Oct 14, 2020 04:55:45 pm
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      Reply #26295: Oct 14, 2020 05:38:08 pm
      Holy moly, I think I understood like 25% of what he was saying.




      He was on about buying tickets for sanitary towels and making a brew and how those in the main stand get wheeled out by David Fairclough on a match day to listen to the Manchester library while eating curried salt & vinegar chips, I think 🤔😁





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      Reply #26296: Oct 14, 2020 05:58:06 pm
      He raises some good points but I’m not sure where the compromise is. The game has turned into a money game. You have to have loads to compete and the only way to get loads of money is to market to a larger market than just your local supporters. When you do that you are inevitably going to get the tourists and the folks that will spend £100 for a ticket because it’s an experience and they won’t get to do it more than once or twice in their lifetime. But that pushes up the cost for the locals, the ones that should be able to see as many games as they want for a decent price. I was amazed that in the new proposal you’d be able to see an away game for £20. That’s literally dirt cheap. I can’t do anything entertaining in the States for that kind of money.  Hell, I can’t even buy fast food for the whole family for that cheap. Over here it’s a minimum of $100 for a ticket to any decent sporting event or concert. Prices are ludicrous but it’s because if people like me balk at paying them, someone else will be along. I imagine football will go the same way as the game becomes even more popular especially in places like the States.

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      Reply #26297: Oct 14, 2020 06:10:26 pm
      Holy moly, I think I understood like 25% of what he was saying.

      The lad is absolutely spot on with everything he said.
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      Reply #26298: Oct 14, 2020 10:34:30 pm
      He raises some good points but I’m not sure where the compromise is. The game has turned into a money game. You have to have loads to compete and the only way to get loads of money is to market to a larger market than just your local supporters. When you do that you are inevitably going to get the tourists and the folks that will spend £100 for a ticket because it’s an experience and they won’t get to do it more than once or twice in their lifetime. But that pushes up the cost for the locals, the ones that should be able to see as many games as they want for a decent price. I was amazed that in the new proposal you’d be able to see an away game for £20. That’s literally dirt cheap. I can’t do anything entertaining in the States for that kind of money.  Hell, I can’t even buy fast food for the whole family for that cheap. Over here it’s a minimum of $100 for a ticket to any decent sporting event or concert. Prices are ludicrous but it’s because if people like me balk at paying them, someone else will be along. I imagine football will go the same way as the game becomes even more popular especially in places like the States.



      Just on your point on ticket prices over in the States mate.

      When we were in New York a couple of years ago we got tickets to the Mets for $11 each. Now the seats were high enough in the stands but great seats with brilliant views etc on a Friday evening.

      Now I'm not a huge baseball fan, football for me in US Sports so no idea if that's the norm or not.
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      Reply #26299: Oct 15, 2020 12:23:09 am
      Just on your point on ticket prices over in the States mate.

      When we were in New York a couple of years ago we got tickets to the Mets for $11 each. Now the seats were high enough in the stands but great seats with brilliant views etc on a Friday evening.

      Now I'm not a huge baseball fan, football for me in US Sports so no idea if that's the norm or not.

      11 dollars for a baseball game has to be the absolute low end for tickets - extremely rare. A number of teams have set aside some seats, up in the stratosphere as you mention, at a similar rate just to say they are giving people a chance to watch - but it's much more typical for seats to go in the 30s and 40s, and the very best seats will cost hundreds of dollars each - and typically are purchased by corporations and businesses to use for entertaining clients, maybe rewarding employees, etc.

      Remember that U.S. baseball is played every day April through September and has 81 home games.

      American football and basketball tickets are much more expensive on the average. I know for me, going to a game in person is much more of a once per season kind of proposition. for top-line professional sports here, it has become exceedingly difficult for real people to go to games very often, if at all.

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