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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: New Owners of LFC
      Reply #2622: Feb 13, 2012 10:38:12 pm
      Forget which owner said it but i remember one of them saying if your in football to make money you are in the wrong business.  Fsg will find that out in time. Stick to my opinion we will not win a league with Fsg in charge no matter who is manager. Only 2clubs to break into top 4 in last few years are spurs and city who both invested heavily in the playing side. We are yet to see that from Fsg iand do people really think we will see it in summer if we dont get champions league. People can continue to believe the media spin about them providing 110 million it ain't true it is a myth.

      I don't see much difference to any of this Cor.


      People will be offended if it is run by business people and is treated as a business

      Others will be offended if it is owned by the mega-rich and it is nothing more than a play toy.


      You mentioned earlier in a post about Abrom and the Sheik and how this Suarez thing wouldn't of bothered them.

      I reply to that by saying very clearly I doubt they give flying fck one way or another, ManCity and Chelsea are nothing more than a child's play-toy and when they actually win something the shine will become dull and they will get sold off as quick as Roman likes to change managers.


      Guess it all stands on what each one of us prefer, your choice is well noted by all.
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      Reply #2623: Feb 13, 2012 10:45:49 pm
      Guess it all stands on what each one of us prefer, your choice is well noted by all.

      Also we are back with owners who seem to keep a low profile unlike those other two c**ts and some people still aren't happy.

      I don't want to see John Henry or Tom Werner in the press every time something needs to be said as they employ Ian Ayre to look after this.
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      Reply #2624: Feb 13, 2012 11:02:36 pm
      Also we are back with owners who seem to keep a low profile unlike those other two c**ts and some people still aren't happy.

      I don't want to see John Henry or Tom Werner in the press every time something needs to be said as they employ Ian Ayre to look after this.


      I generally thought their lack of noise spoke volumes but you have a point there..

      I'd hate to have a pair of owners like West Ham.. They're like comic book villains who pop up whenever there's a camera floating around.. All cigars and sovereigns.. *shudders*
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      Reply #2625: Feb 13, 2012 11:24:13 pm
      I said it before and I'll say it again, I think some are overreacting. I know it is not what we as fans have been use to from our club but we have to draw a line under the matter. I just hope we can move around. Allow Luis to do the talking in the pitch. I don't blame the owners, Kenny or Luis about all of this.
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      Reply #2626: Feb 13, 2012 11:26:10 pm
      I said it before and I'll say it again, I think some are overreacting. I know it is not what we as fans have been use to from our club but we have to draw a line under the matter. I just hope we can move around. Allow Luis to do the talking in the pitch. I don't blame the owners, Kenny or Luis about all of this.
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      Reply #2627: Feb 13, 2012 11:35:41 pm
      Just to add, I don't like the treatment if KK as much as anyone. KK knows we support him and admire his backing of Luis. In terms of Fenway, I don't feel they instigated anything. I feel the Premier League played a major role on the apologies. Also, and it pains me to say it, but Mr Ayre was worried about our commercialisation issues. Still don't place blame on Fenway.
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      Reply #2628: Feb 13, 2012 11:46:02 pm
      Also, and it pains me to say it, but Mr Ayre was worried about our commercialisation issues. Still don't place blame on Fenway.

      It is true that Ayre and possible the owners were worried about our commercial issues but there have been many posts on here about how we need to expand our commercial interests so could it not be that they are actually looking after the best interests of the club long term?
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      Reply #2629: Feb 13, 2012 11:46:45 pm
      Hopefully help calm abit of the hysteria surrounding FSG at the moment and quash this suggestion that they have no backbone.

      John W. Henry ready to lift Liverpool’s standard after Luis Suárez furore
      By Rory Smith

      Trying to enjoy a family vacation, John W. Henry watched the final, radioactive fallout from the Luis Suárez affair settle on Anfield from Fort Lauderdale, deep in America’s Sunshine State.
       
      It is unlikely to have been a particularly restful holiday, such is the work that awaits him. Next week, Liverpool’s principal, principled owner will fly to Merseyside, where the storm clouds gather.
       
      Contrary to a popular perception too easily guided by soap opera narrative, the arpeggio of apologies issued by Suárez, his club, and Kenny Dalglish, the manager, on Sunday afternoon was not orchestrated by Fenway Sports Group, Liverpool’s parent company.
       
      There was no directive from Henry or his chairman, Tom Werner, that the Uruguayan’s failure to shake hands with Patrice Evra at Old Trafford was of such repugnant moral vacuity that contrition was compulsory. There was no kneejerk response to savage words in the New York Times, a former investor in FSG, and the Boston Globe, Henry’s local paper, demanding intervention in the closest thing the Barclays Premier League has to a pariah state.
       
      Rather, Ian Ayre, Liverpool’s managing director, in consultation with Dalglish, established the direction the club would take and sought confirmation from his employers that they agreed with his blueprint. This was local self-determination in action. There was no American cultural imperialism.
       

      That is not to accuse Henry of idleness, or absenteeism, a charge he and Werner have been desperate to avoid ever since replacing Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr on a rather happier October day, exactly a year before Suárez turned his spiteful tongue on Evra. That the 62-year-old will be in England within the next seven days, indeed, is evidence of how things have changed. FSG will fight for its investment.
       
      Henry’s first job is likely to be mollifying Standard Chartered, the club’s prime, £20 million-a-season shirt sponsor, unsurprisingly unhappy to find its brand, its logo, suddenly associated rather too readily with a player charged with issuing racist abuse. There is no suggestion as yet that the bank, which boasts 1,700 branches worldwide and considerable reach in the Far East, is reassessing its involvement with the club.
       
      Henry, though, knows that assuring them such toxicity will not be a feature of their association with Liverpool in the future will soothe troubled minds.
       
      Although Henry will also meet Richard Scudamore, the chief executive of the Premier League, in an attempt to smooth relations with the English game’s hierarchy, it is telling that it is when the brand is imperilled that he acts. An editorial in Massachusetts costs nothing; fear rising in the Orient could be expensive indeed.
       
      FSG, like Dalglish, has no intention of selling Suárez; anyone with the briefest knowledge of football would know that the game’s moral compass tends to point in whichever direction leads to success, that clubs do not routinely sell their best players simply to dampen an outcry, no matter how serious the offence. Henry has been long enough in sport to know that another controversy will be stirred, another hellion conjured soon enough to distract attention.

       
      But he has also been aware, from the moment Evra first levelled his charge at Suárez, at how poisonous such an allegation might be. For the player, of course, and for the club. But most of all for the brand. Such corporate jargon is anathema to fans, no more so than those on the Kop whose traditions are pinned to their jackets and daubed on to flags. But that is what Liverpool, and all of their competitors, have become: brands that require consumers, brands that stand and fall by their sponsors.
       
      If Henry’s investment is to work, and Liverpool are to compete once more, he needs a club he can sell worldwide. Ideally, he needs a star player.
       
      It seemed before October that Suárez could be that cornerstone. Now that is in doubt. Player, club and brand have been damaged. It is Henry who must begin to arrest the decline, to begin the Herculean task of wiping the slate clean. There is work to be done.

      Good article that mate from Rory Smith
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      Reply #2630: Feb 13, 2012 11:52:39 pm
      Now that the honeymoon period is over,
      Can we drop the "new owner" sh*t from the thread title?
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      Reply #2631: Feb 13, 2012 11:59:21 pm
      Now that the honeymoon period is over,
      Can we drop the "new owner" sh*t from the thread title?

      I was thinking that today and lose NESV now as well. Maybe we need a completely new title until a replacement is earned.

      The protectors of the brand thread. Or something else maybe?
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      Reply #2632: Feb 14, 2012 12:01:39 am
      It is true that Ayre and possible the owners were worried about our commercial issues but there have been many posts on here about how we need to expand our commercial interests so could it not be that they are actually looking after the best interests of the club long term?

      That's exactly what I mean. Unfortunatley, football had moved on a lot, and not always in good ways. I feel the club are trying to look after themselves long term. Whether you do that in place of a player, is an interesting point. Pains me to say, but, the club were probably right to do what they have done. Really detest myself for saying that but under the current situation, it had to be done.

      Someone else made an interesting point. While I don't condone racism in any way, I do feel that a lot of it is blown out of proportion and over sensitive issue. I mean, I play in a local Liverpool district league and also played in national leagues. I get abuse for being Irish, such as stupid things like 'gypsy' and 'potato' etc, almost on a weekly basis. I don't get offended. However, if I was too get offended, would people make a big issue like they are currently doing so? I accept it isn't on a world stage but even if it was, don't think people would make an ounce of the fuss they are at the minute. May be a stupid point that so sorry if I cause offense.
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      Reply #2633: Feb 14, 2012 12:03:32 am
      FSG. Fear Sponsors Going.
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      Reply #2634: Feb 14, 2012 12:06:22 am
      Pains me to say, but, the club were probably right to do what they have done. Really detest myself for saying that but under the current situation, it had to be done.

      Agree and I think we are talking along the same lines.

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      Reply #2635: Feb 14, 2012 12:12:55 am


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      Reply #2636: Feb 14, 2012 12:56:20 am
      Are we still slating FSG even though there was no direct order from them?
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      Reply #2637: Feb 14, 2012 12:58:11 am
      Enjoyed reading Rory Smiths article.
      Q:Why do some on here think its wrong of businessmen keeping a watchful eye on their investment?I personally love watching interviews with our owners.They have a blueprint that they adhere to,to hopefully get us back where we belong.I sincerely hope JH does'nt read this thread (in its early stages anyway)think he'd be mortified with MOST of the sh*te spouted in same.The next window, will I'm sure show their worth.
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      Reply #2638: Feb 14, 2012 01:17:09 am
      Enjoyed reading Rory Smiths article.
      Q:Why do some on here think its wrong of businessmen keeping a watchful eye on their investment?I personally love watching interviews with our owners.They have a blueprint that they adhere to,to hopefully get us back where we belong.I sincerely hope JH does'nt read this thread (in its early stages anyway)think he'd be mortified with MOST of the sh*te spouted in same.The next window, will I'm sure show their worth.
                     IKKWT.

      We'll have to sell first though, as you said they're businessmen and we have only spent what we have recouped from other sales.
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      Reply #2639: Feb 14, 2012 01:21:06 am
      Are we still slating FSG even though there was no direct order from them?

      This.

      I seem to remember taking a good lashing yesterday for trying to be somewhat of a voice of reason with regards to everyone throwing daggers at the owners before we knew all of the details.

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      Reply #2640: Feb 14, 2012 01:27:34 am
      Conflicting reports, BBC, Press association etc are saying owners were involved, other news sources say standard chartered were involved, Rory Smith says the owners wern't involved.

      I've got a suspiscion that if the sponsors were involved then so will the owners have been, I don't believe for a second that if Standard Chartered our biggest sponsor raised concerns that John Henry was not made aware of this. sorry I just don't and its naive to think otherwise, its a multi million pound contract of course he would have been informed and got involved.
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      Reply #2641: Feb 14, 2012 01:33:22 am
      This.

      I seem to remember taking a good lashing yesterday for trying to be somewhat of a voice of reason with regards to everyone throwing daggers at the owners before we knew all of the details.



      As I said earlier, some of it was knee-jerking of the finest, possibly not all to do with FSG, but more to do with how a lot of us felt after losing to the mancs on Saturday.

      There is a song that is sung in pubs especially at away games:

      "We're the best behaved supporters in the land, we're the best behaved supporters in the land, we're the best behaved supporters, we're the best behaved supporters, we're the best behaved supporters in the land (WHEN WE WIN)

      "We're a right shower of bas**rds when we lose, we're a right shower of bas**rds when we lose, we're a right shower of bas**rds, we're a right shower of bas**rds, we're a right shower of bas**rds when we lose (BUT WE DON'T)"

      More than apt over the last two days!
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      Reply #2642: Feb 14, 2012 01:39:09 am
      As I said earlier, some of it was knee-jerking of the finest, possibly not all to do with FSG, but more to do with how a lot of us felt after losing to the mancs on Saturday.

      There is a song that is sung in pubs especially at away games:

      "We're the best behaved supporters in the land, we're the best behaved supporters in the land, we're the best behaved supporters, we're the best behaved supporters, we're the best behaved supporters in the land (WHEN WE WIN)

      "We're a right shower of bas**rds when we lose, we're a right shower of bas**rds when we lose, we're a right shower of bas**rds, we're a right shower of bas**rds, we're a right shower of bas**rds when we lose (BUT WE DON'T)"

      More than apt over the last two days!

      I love it!

      I have to say that I'm feeling a little better about things. Hopefully in a couple more days football will be the focus of the day and this will start to blow over. Hopefully other folks are feeling the same.

      Let's get on with this and get back to winning.
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      Reply #2643: Feb 14, 2012 01:43:19 am
      I love it!

      I have to say that I'm feeling a little better about things. Hopefully in a couple more days football will be the focus of the day and this will start to blow over. Hopefully other folks are feeling the same.

      Let's get on with this and get back to winning.

      As PaisleyDalglish said in possibly another thread the Brighton game can't come quick enough. Plus with Mick McCarthy getting sacked and Rangers in deep sh*t that will see the likes of SKY focus their attention elsewhere and slowly but surely so will the press.
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      Reply #2644: Feb 14, 2012 02:17:05 am
      Some more info from the dailymail ->
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2100679/Charles-Sale-Ian-Ayre-force-Anfield-attitude-shift.html
      Ayre the force behind shift in attitude at Anfield

      By Charles Sale

      Last updated at 10:57 PM on 13th February 2012

      Fenway Sports Group, Liverpool’s absent American owners, have kept a back-seat again during the flurry of apologies from Anfield over Luis Suarez’s unacceptable behaviour in snubbing Patrice Evra’s handshake.

      Instead, the driving force in Liverpool finally accepting responsibility for the damage to their worldwide reputation is understood to have been managing director Ian Ayre.

      The word inside the club is that Ayre realised Liverpool needed to publicly clarify their position over Suarez as soon as the unseemly incident took place on Saturday lunchtime. He waited until Sunday afternoon before acting to take the emotion out of the situation.
       

      Ayre discussed with Dalglish what had to happen after the match and told chairman Tom Werner on Saturday night what the club would be doing. The statements were sent to FSG in Boston before being released. No wording was altered or influenced by the Americans.
       
         
      Dalglish’s statement is said to have been prepared with the club’s media chief Ian Cotton, after the manager had seen the contents of the Suarez and Ayre apologies.

      FSG, despite Liverpool’s hopeless handling of the Suarez affair, have allowed Ayre and Dalglish to run the club with minimal interference.
      However, the Americans would have demanded action if Ayre and the all-powerful Dalglish had not belatedly come to that conclusion themselves.


      There has been much talk within BBC Sport about the embarrassment of having to go cap-in-hand to Sky Sports for their Geoff Shreeves interview with Kenny Dalglish after the Liverpool manager refused to discuss Luis Suarez’s non-handshake with their own Jonathan Pearce.

      The contrast on Match of the Day between the bland Pearce exchange with Dalglish and the Scot’s drama-packed encounter with Shreeves was like an advert for Sky’s news-gathering superiority when it was not Pearce’s fault Dalglish had dictated that certain issues were off limits.

      A BBC spokesperson said: ‘Kenny Dalglish did no further media interviews about the handshake with anyone after the questioning by Sky. We have a responsibility to discuss the football as well.’
      Rivals set to give statements

      The fractured relationship between Liverpool and Manchester United is going to be exposed again in their responses to the FA, who are asking both clubs - and Greater Manchester Police - for their observations about what happened in the Old Trafford tunnel at half-time on Saturday.
      Melee: Players from both clubs clashed in the tunnel

      The Liverpool camp allege the melee was started by a United player punching an opponent on the back of the head and that a steward was also pro-active in the fighting.

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