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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #26795: Feb 22, 2021 12:08:02 am
      I get it. Some people buy into it, some donā€™t. Donā€™t get me wrong, these are a million miles away from the last cowboys. Theyā€™ve attempted to make the club self sufficient, which is positive in one way. But success over last couple of seasons is down to the manager, not the transfer committee or owners. JK identified we needed a CB and a keeper and the coutinho funds were used. Had Coutinho stayed, would JĆ¼rgen have gotten his men? Iā€™d have to say no. Not willing to spend to invest imo.

      Before JĆ¼rgen came, we were an absolute shambles. One league cup under FSG ownership. Abysmal.

      From memory they flew the king out to america and sacked him after he delivered our only trophy in ten years. Then they hired an unknown, unproven coach from little swansea to manage us. A world power club.

      We sold suarez during that time, our best player, after he nearly dragged us to a league title. Theyā€™ll argue he wanted to go but he had a 5 year deal. We didnā€™t have to sell. That was a time to keep the team together, add to it, and hopefully go one step further the following season. Any ambitious club would have done that. Not us.

      We sold. Brendan put forward a list of names he wanted but the transfer committee, hired by FSG, stepped in and signed a load of sh*te instead. Spent the money on dross. Brendan then asked for a striker and he was told itā€™s F***ing balotelli or nothing. Bit by bit the team fell apart but brendan rodgers got absolutely shafted by these owners. 

      The best thing FSG have ever done is hire JĆ¼rgen Klopp, despite the unfair treatment of Brendan.

      Now this is where credit DOES have to come in somewhere for FSG or whoever deals with our transfers. We sold a lot of deadwood and got great deals for them. Benteke, ibe, Solanke etc the list goes on. F**k me, we even got rid of our third choice goalie ward for 12m. Unbelievable.

      That money, this time around, was smartly invested by the guidance of JĆ¼rgen. But itā€™s easy to sit here now and say what signings they turned out to be. At the time, very few knew about mane or salah but JĆ¼rgen coached them into the best wide men in the world. Do people really believe if it hadnā€™t been for JĆ¼rgen that those two players would have the status they do now? No chance.

      So moving on. Our league form improves and we become a regular in the champions league again. The club is once again generating big money. But weā€™re stuck around fourth and we need a couple of players to push on so we can challenge for the title. In particular we desperately need a goalie and a centre half. 

      Now history has already told us with Suarez that FSG wonā€™t keep the squad together and add to it, even when we have champions league football and more money is available. So what do we do? Yep, we sell our best player again in coutinho. We got mega money for him which allowed us to sign our cb and keeper.

      It all turned out well in the end, but Iā€™ve got no doubt whatsoever if any other manager was in charge then it wouldnā€™t have. JĆ¼rgen Klopp is a unique manager and he is honestly the best coach in world football.

      So where are we now? Well we went into this season with only three senior centre halves. Piss poor after weā€™ve just won a title and the European cup the year before. Klopp had some money to spend but opted to go for Jota and Thiago who were every bit as important as bringing in a defender. Itā€™s only with hindsight now people can say a cb was more important. But it wasnā€™t. Those VVD and Gomez injuries could have happened to salah and mane and then what? We play shaqiri and F***ing origi?

      We knew months ago that we would be without VVD and Gomez for the season. Klopp is on record during interview expressing his frustrations at not being backed. We therefore know that he has asked for signings. Therefore, somebody should have been brought in on day one of the transfer window. Instead, we sign two unknown players from home n bargains on deadline day - despite being in a crisis.

      Today we are at the point where I think most would agree we need some fresh faces and recruitments if we are going to challenge again next season. In my opinion we need a centre forward. Bobby has been great for us but I donā€™t think his place is justified any more just because of what heā€™s done in the past.

      So if we were going to go for haaland letā€™s say, are the owners going to keep this squad together and add to it? After everything klopp has done? After all the prize money weā€™ve generated? After all the tv money? After the years of low or even minus net spends??

      If youā€™ve read this far of my post then you already know that history tells us otherwise. Expect salah to be on a plane to madrid come may.
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      Reply #26796: Feb 22, 2021 12:09:08 am

      There is no difference


      Players left and we used the money to improve


      Just like we did with Coutinho leaving

      So weā€™re the dominant force in English football, when city will have won the PL in 3 of the last 4 seasons? Players come and go, that isnā€™t the point. Staying relevant and competitive is the objective.

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      Reply #26797: Feb 22, 2021 12:14:46 am
      Before JĆ¼rgen came, we were an absolute shambles. One league cup under FSG ownership. Abysmal.

      From memory they flew the king out to america and sacked him after he delivered our only trophy in ten years. Then they hired an unknown, unproven coach from little swansea to manage us. A world power club.

      We sold suarez during that time, our best player, after he nearly dragged us to a league title. Theyā€™ll argue he wanted to go but he had a 5 year deal. We didnā€™t have to sell. That was a time to keep the team together, add to it, and hopefully go one step further the following season. Any ambitious club would have done that. Not us.

      We sold. Brendan put forward a list of names he wanted but the transfer committee, hired by FSG, stepped in and signed a load of sh*te instead. Spent the money on dross. Brendan then asked for a striker and he was told itā€™s f**king balotelli or nothing. Bit by bit the team fell apart but brendan rodgers got absolutely shafted by these owners. 

      The best thing FSG have ever done is hire JĆ¼rgen Klopp, despite the unfair treatment of Brendan.

      Now this is where credit DOES have to come in somewhere for FSG or whoever deals with our transfers. We sold a lot of deadwood and got great deals for them. Benteke, ibe, Solanke etc the list goes on. F**k me, we even got rid of our third choice goalie ward for 12m. Unbelievable.

      That money, this time around, was smartly invested by the guidance of JĆ¼rgen. But itā€™s easy to sit here now and say what signings they turned out to be. At the time, very few knew about mane or salah but JĆ¼rgen coached them into the best wide men in the world. Do people really believe if it hadnā€™t been for JĆ¼rgen that those two players would have the status they do now? No chance.

      So moving on. Our league form improves and we become a regular in the champions league again. The club is once again generating big money. But weā€™re stuck around fourth and we need a couple of players to push on so we can challenge for the title. In particular we desperately need a goalie and a centre half. 

      Now history has already told us with Suarez that FSG wonā€™t keep the squad together and add to it, even when we have champions league football and more money is available. So what do we do? Yep, we sell our best player again in coutinho. We got mega money for him which allowed us to sign our cb and keeper.

      It all turned out well in the end, but Iā€™ve got no doubt whatsoever if any other manager was in charge then it wouldnā€™t have. JĆ¼rgen Klopp is a unique manager and he is honestly the best coach in world football.

      So where are we now? Well we went into this season with only three senior centre halves. Piss poor after weā€™ve just won a title and the European cup the year before. Klopp had some money to spend but opted to go for Jota and Thiago who were every bit as important as bringing in a defender. Itā€™s only with hindsight now people can say a cb was more important. But it wasnā€™t. Those VVD and Gomez injuries could have happened to salah and mane and then what? We play shaqiri and f**king origi?

      We knew months ago that we would be without VVD and Gomez for the season. Klopp is on record during interview expressing his frustrations at not being backed. We therefore know that he has asked for signings. Therefore, somebody should have been brought in on day one of the transfer window. Instead, we sign two unknown players from home n bargains on deadline day - despite being in a crisis.

      Today we are at the point where I think most would agree we need some fresh faces and recruitments if we are going to challenge again next season. In my opinion we need a centre forward. Bobby has been great for us but I donā€™t think his place is justified any more just because of what heā€™s done in the past.

      So if we were going to go for haaland letā€™s say, are the owners going to keep this squad together and add to it? After everything klopp has done? After all the prize money weā€™ve generated? After all the tv money? After the years of low or even minus net spends??

      If youā€™ve read this far of my post then you already know that history tells us otherwise. Expect salah to be on a plane to madrid come may.


      Thatā€™s the thing about history. It has a habit of going full circle. Either learn from it or go full Groundhog Day...

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      Reply #26798: Feb 22, 2021 12:16:35 am
      Iā€™m not doubting they have improved the club immeasurably during their tenure. But there are clearly limits as to what they will and wonā€™t do to further enhance the team to prolong success. Do you not think this very weird season has shown what little depth we really have? Matip is always injured even though he is quality when fit. So a replacement there was a must before the season even got under way. January bargain bin signings does not make good reading and makes little sense to have players like Nat Phillips or Rhys Williams in the squad at all if theyā€™re overlooked by inexperienced newcomers.




      I don't think you can use this season as a barometer of the squad depth considering at times we have had almost an entire 11 players out.

      The demands on this squad this season after three or four seasons of relentless football has caught up with us and the Covid element has only heightened those demands.

      I do agree that we should have been more proactive in getting a CB in on 1st Jan but again we still don't fully know the impacts Covid has had on the finances of football clubs going forward into next season.

      I think a problem also is that many clubs were extremely reluctant to sell players in January as we're far from the only club feeling the extra demands this season had presented in regards to injuries to players.

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      Reply #26799: Feb 22, 2021 12:20:19 am
      I don't think you can use this season as a barometer of the squad depth considering at times we have had almost an entire 11 players out.

      The demands on this squad this season after three or four seasons of relentless football has caught up with us and the Covid element has only heightened those demands.

      I do agree that we should have been more proactive in getting a CB in on 1st Jan but again we still don't fully know the impacts Covid has had on the finances of football clubs going forward into next season.

      I think a problem alps is that many clubs were extremely reluctant to sell players in January as we're far from the only club feeling the extra demands this season had presented in regards to injuries to players.



      Yes this season is an anomaly (hopefully), but injuries to regular team members such as Matip and Keita are not. They are excellent players technically, but wholly unreliable. Plus any others that fit the description. Lessons should have been learned regardless..

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      Reply #26800: Feb 22, 2021 12:28:14 am
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      Reply #26801: Feb 22, 2021 12:55:51 am

      There is no difference


      Players left and we used the money to improve


      Just like we did with Coutinho leaving

      Jesus wept man we need to rebuild

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      Reply #26802: Feb 22, 2021 02:01:51 am
      Theyā€™ve made an absolute killing on us mate and just because theyā€™ve havenā€™t gone to the cash machine and drawn it all out yet is irrelevant but youā€™re wasting your time trying to explain.

      If your house goes up in value by 50% that doesn't mean you have that much more in cash in your pocket, unless you sell it or borrow against it. So if FSG have not taken the money out, how have they made an absolute killing?
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      Reply #26803: Feb 22, 2021 02:03:06 am
      Difference is at those times we were the dominant force in English football and kept things fresh. Slightly different scenario then as well. Donā€™t forget John Barnes was the first 10k a week player IIRC, which showed we were willing to pay out to stay ahead of the pack.

      There's always a difference. You make a post that gets proven wrong then move the goal posts onto something else.
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      Reply #26804: Feb 22, 2021 07:56:10 am
      There's always a difference. You make a post that gets proven wrong then move the goal posts onto something else.

      When was this?

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      Reply #26805: Feb 22, 2021 08:07:28 am
      So what 🤷ā€ā™‚ļø

      The club sold a player who clearly didnā€™t want to be at the club , got a huge amount for him


      They used that money and bought players to help us win titles - whatā€™s the issue ?


      In 1987 we sold Rush for Ā£3.2mil - from that money we bought Beardsley, Barnes and a few others - did you have an issue with ā€œnet spendā€ then ?

      In 1977 we sold Keegan for Ā£500k and bought Kenny for Ā£450k - any issues thrn ?


      99% of the football clubs around the world operate like this. its normal.

      Player sales make the footi world go round, at all levels.
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      Reply #26806: Feb 22, 2021 08:11:33 am

      Cant see how ACL Injuries are anything but unlucky, and we have a fair few of them, hammys, strains, groins etc. could be just dpown to fatigue due to weird season, but these happen every season.

      And then theres the impact injuries, again unlucky or a bad tackle.

      So not sure about physios coming and going from a club makes much difference, it happens in all walks of life. people moving jobs that is.
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      Reply #26807: Feb 22, 2021 08:13:10 am
      Yes this season is an anomaly (hopefully), but injuries to regular team members such as Matip and Keita are not. They are excellent players technically, but wholly unreliable. Plus any others that fit the description. Lessons should have been learned regardless..



      I do agree with this, but we had cover for Matip, no way they expected gomez, VVD, Fab & Hendo to injured at the same time as Matip for most of the season.

      It would be reasonable in a season for them all to pick up knocks, strains niggles, but not long term injuries all at once.
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      Reply #26808: Feb 22, 2021 08:18:45 am
      I do agree with this, but we had cover for Matip, no way they expected gomez, VVD, Fab & Hendo to injured at the same time as Matip for most of the season.

      It would be reasonable in a season for them all to pick up knocks, strains niggles, but not long term injuries all at once.

      Since when are Henderson or Fabinho supposed to be cover for CB positions? All that has done is dilute our midfield. Thatā€™s plain for everyone to see.

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      Reply #26809: Feb 22, 2021 08:40:06 am
      Since when are Henderson or Fabinho supposed to be cover for CB positions? All that has done is dilute our midfield. Thatā€™s plain for everyone to see.



      they were both supposed to Emergency cover for the odd game.

      Klopp was happy enough to use williams and philips sometimes too, just not as much as he has been forced into this season.
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      Reply #26810: Feb 22, 2021 08:41:18 am
      Since when are Henderson or Fabinho supposed to be cover for CB positions? All that has done is dilute our midfield. Thatā€™s plain for everyone to see.



      and yes it has diluted the MF, especially hendo having to go back there, but again that was down to Fab and Matip getting injured the same fekin week.

      The timing of the bad luck at times is crazy.
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      Reply #26811: Feb 22, 2021 08:43:36 am
      Before JĆ¼rgen came, we were an absolute shambles. One league cup under FSG ownership. Abysmal.

      From memory they flew the king out to america and sacked him after he delivered our only trophy in ten years. Then they hired an unknown, unproven coach from little swansea to manage us. A world power club.

      We sold suarez during that time, our best player, after he nearly dragged us to a league title. Theyā€™ll argue he wanted to go but he had a 5 year deal. We didnā€™t have to sell. That was a time to keep the team together, add to it, and hopefully go one step further the following season. Any ambitious club would have done that. Not us.

      We sold. Brendan put forward a list of names he wanted but the transfer committee, hired by FSG, stepped in and signed a load of sh*te instead. Spent the money on dross. Brendan then asked for a striker and he was told itā€™s f**king balotelli or nothing. Bit by bit the team fell apart but brendan rodgers got absolutely shafted by these owners. 

      The best thing FSG have ever done is hire JĆ¼rgen Klopp, despite the unfair treatment of Brendan.

      Now this is where credit DOES have to come in somewhere for FSG or whoever deals with our transfers. We sold a lot of deadwood and got great deals for them. Benteke, ibe, Solanke etc the list goes on. F**k me, we even got rid of our third choice goalie ward for 12m. Unbelievable.

      That money, this time around, was smartly invested by the guidance of JĆ¼rgen. But itā€™s easy to sit here now and say what signings they turned out to be. At the time, very few knew about mane or salah but JĆ¼rgen coached them into the best wide men in the world. Do people really believe if it hadnā€™t been for JĆ¼rgen that those two players would have the status they do now? No chance.

      So moving on. Our league form improves and we become a regular in the champions league again. The club is once again generating big money. But weā€™re stuck around fourth and we need a couple of players to push on so we can challenge for the title. In particular we desperately need a goalie and a centre half. 

      Now history has already told us with Suarez that FSG wonā€™t keep the squad together and add to it, even when we have champions league football and more money is available. So what do we do? Yep, we sell our best player again in coutinho. We got mega money for him which allowed us to sign our cb and keeper.

      It all turned out well in the end, but Iā€™ve got no doubt whatsoever if any other manager was in charge then it wouldnā€™t have. JĆ¼rgen Klopp is a unique manager and he is honestly the best coach in world football.

      So where are we now? Well we went into this season with only three senior centre halves. Piss poor after weā€™ve just won a title and the European cup the year before. Klopp had some money to spend but opted to go for Jota and Thiago who were every bit as important as bringing in a defender. Itā€™s only with hindsight now people can say a cb was more important. But it wasnā€™t. Those VVD and Gomez injuries could have happened to salah and mane and then what? We play shaqiri and f**king origi?

      We knew months ago that we would be without VVD and Gomez for the season. Klopp is on record during interview expressing his frustrations at not being backed. We therefore know that he has asked for signings. Therefore, somebody should have been brought in on day one of the transfer window. Instead, we sign two unknown players from home n bargains on deadline day - despite being in a crisis.

      Today we are at the point where I think most would agree we need some fresh faces and recruitments if we are going to challenge again next season. In my opinion we need a centre forward. Bobby has been great for us but I donā€™t think his place is justified any more just because of what heā€™s done in the past.

      So if we were going to go for haaland letā€™s say, are the owners going to keep this squad together and add to it? After everything klopp has done? After all the prize money weā€™ve generated? After all the tv money? After the years of low or even minus net spends??

      If youā€™ve read this far of my post then you already know that history tells us otherwise. Expect salah to be on a plane to madrid come may.


      Talk about embellishing for dramatic affect 🤦ā€ā™‚ļø


      How about this version


      FSG buy club with a mountain of leveraged debt and a team full of sub standard players along with multiple disinterested players - they clearly state what the model of the club will be - self sufficient

      As itā€™s their first step into football they bring in Comolli, sack Hodgson , bring back Kenny to help steer the ship until the end of season as well as sign a couple of players

      Kenny does well but we end up 6th - now the choice is stick with Kenny or thank him for the job and move on - they stuck with him and backed him with some expensive signings - Downing etc - we win the league cup , great but end up 8th in the league , nowhere near good enough or what is needed to move forward so Kenny is let go - emotional a hard choice but fundamentally the correct one

      They then bring in an up and coming coach to try and move us forward - he is also backed in the transfer market - we finish 7th another poor season

      Our best player tries everything he can to leave - including biting a player but we refuse to sell

      The owners spend more money bringing players in - we go on to have our best season for years but just miss out on the title

      That summer our best player once again bites a player in the World Cup and tries to force himself out of the club - this time we sell because itā€™s what is best

      The money is then spent - in fact our biggest spending summer in history at that Ā£120mil -we once again drop down out of CL places

      That summer the manager is once again backed - another Ā£80mil

      But after a poor start they decided to make the change by bringing in Klopp and finish the season 8th


      That summer Klopp is backed and players like Mane and Gini arrive - we finish 4th

      The next summer we bring in Robbo , Ox and Klopp wanted Brandt but Edwards and the recruiting team suggested Salah - so they bring in Salah - Coutinho our best player does everything he can to force his way out so we sell up and use the money to bring the CB they wanted in the summer

      We finish top 4 again but lose in the CL final

      The club then have their record transfer window Ā£160mil on - Fabinho , Allison , Keita etc - we go on to have a stellar season win the CL , push City all the way to in the title - I remember ā€œF***ing Origiā€ with those goals against Barcelona and Everton and in the CL final , Shaqiri with the winner against the Mancs and balls in for the Barce win

      That summer itā€™s a quiet one , couple young players and a back up GK plus Minamino in the winter - we win the league but Covid happens , the season is extended , the stadiums are empty , the league is stopped at one stage

      But we win that title - it took a lot of hard work , ups and downs , money spent , a couple of managers but after 10 years they found the right balance on and off the field


      So onto this summer - Covid has hit the clubs finances , many clubs arenā€™t really spending but we still go out and buy 3 players to cover areas we needed

      No talk of rebuild needed just adding to one of the best squads in Europe

      Season starts with a short pre season

      We start well - clearly still the best team in the league then the Derby happens

      VVD out for the season , Thiago out for months , then Gomez out for the season , Mane Covid , Salah Covid , Alisson injured , TAA injured , Keita injured , Henderson injured, Jota injured , Shaqiri injured, even Origi injured , Matip injured , Fabinho injured

      We have an unprecedented level of injuries , our spin is ripped apart - we go into Jan battling away but then lose Matip for the season

      Because of Covid the Jan window is not the easiest and this is where they maybe didnā€™t act quick enough but then who knows what is going on in the background

      So now despite there being no calls for a rebuild in the summer we need one know ?!?


      We donā€™t need a rebuild we need our spine fit

      We need VVD , Gomez , Fabinho , Jota , Henderson fit , we need a proper pre season , a good rest - the squad needs to recover from the injuries , we need to hope that Covid hasnā€™t affected the finances of the club too much

      And in the summer the club will look to bring players in and I have no doubt it will be the right players and players will not have to ve sacrificed to bring them in and when we do start winning again maybe people wonā€™t say a word about the work done behind the scenes
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      Reply #26812: Feb 22, 2021 08:50:12 am

      Talk about embellishing for dramatic affect 🤦ā€ā™‚ļø


      How about this version


      FSG buy club with a mountain of leveraged debt and a team full of sub standard players along with multiple disinterested players - they clearly state what the model of the club will be - self sufficient

      As itā€™s their first step into football they bring in Comolli, sack Hodgson , bring back Kenny to help steer the ship until the end of season as well as sign a couple of players

      Kenny does well but we end up 6th - now the choice is stick with Kenny or thank him for the job and move on - they stuck with him and backed him with some expensive signings - Downing etc - we win the league cup , great but end up 8th in the league , nowhere near good enough or what is needed to move forward so Kenny is let go - emotional a hard choice but fundamentally the correct one

      They then bring in an up and coming coach to try and move us forward - he is also backed in the transfer market - we finish 7th another poor season

      Our best player tries everything he can to leave - including biting a player but we refuse to sell

      The owners spend more money bringing players in - we go on to have our best season for years but just miss out on the title

      That summer our best player once again bites a player in the World Cup and tries to force himself out of the club - this time we sell because itā€™s what is best

      The money is then spent - in fact our biggest spending summer in history at that Ā£120mil -we once again drop down out of CL places

      That summer the manager is once again backed - another Ā£80mil

      But after a poor start they decided to make the change by bringing in Klopp and finish the season 8th


      That summer Klopp is backed and players like Mane and Gini arrive - we finish 4th

      The next summer we bring in Robbo , Ox and Klopp wanted Brandt but Edwards and the recruiting team suggested Salah - so they bring in Salah - Coutinho our best player does everything he can to force his way out so we sell up and use the money to bring the CB they wanted in the summer

      We finish top 4 again but lose in the CL final

      The club then have their record transfer window Ā£160mil on - Fabinho , Allison , Keita etc - we go on to have a stellar season win the CL , push City all the way to in the title - I remember ā€œf**king Origiā€ with those goals against Barcelona and Everton and in the CL final , Shaqiri with the winner against the Mancs and balls in for the Barce win

      That summer itā€™s a quiet one , couple young players and a back up GK plus Minamino in the winter - we win the league but Covid happens , the season is extended , the stadiums are empty , the league is stopped at one stage

      But we win that title - it took a lot of hard work , ups and downs , money spent , a couple of managers but after 10 years they found the right balance on and off the field


      So onto this summer - Covid has hit the clubs finances , many clubs arenā€™t really spending but we still go out and buy 3 players to cover areas we needed

      No talk of rebuild needed just adding to one of the best squads in Europe

      Season starts with a short pre season

      We start well - clearly still the best team in the league then the Derby happens

      VVD out for the season , Thiago out for months , then Gomez out for the season , Mane Covid , Salah Covid , Alisson injured , TAA injured , Keita injured , Henderson injured, Jota injured , Shaqiri injured, even Origi injured , Matip injured , Fabinho injured

      We have an unprecedented level of injuries , our spin is ripped apart - we go into Jan battling away but then lose Matip for the season

      Because of Covid the Jan window is not the easiest and this is where they maybe didnā€™t act quick enough but then who knows what is going on in the background

      So now despite there being no calls for a rebuild in the summer we need one know ?!?


      We donā€™t need a rebuild we need our spine fit

      We need VVD , Gomez , Fabinho , Jota , Henderson fit , we need a proper pre season , a good rest - the squad needs to recover from the injuries , we need to hope that Covid hasnā€™t affected the finances of the club too much

      And in the summer the club will look to bring players in and I have no doubt it will be the right players and players will not have to ve sacrificed to bring them in and when we do start winning again maybe people wonā€™t say a word about the work done behind the scenes


      Got to agree with this summary.
      Robby The Z
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #26813: Feb 22, 2021 09:26:39 am

      Talk about embellishing for dramatic affect 🤦ā€ā™‚ļø


      How about this version


      FSG buy club with a mountain of leveraged debt and a team full of sub standard players along with multiple disinterested players - they clearly state what the model of the club will be - self sufficient

      As itā€™s their first step into football they bring in Comolli, sack Hodgson , bring back Kenny to help steer the ship until the end of season as well as sign a couple of players

      Kenny does well but we end up 6th - now the choice is stick with Kenny or thank him for the job and move on - they stuck with him and backed him with some expensive signings - Downing etc - we win the league cup , great but end up 8th in the league , nowhere near good enough or what is needed to move forward so Kenny is let go - emotional a hard choice but fundamentally the correct one

      They then bring in an up and coming coach to try and move us forward - he is also backed in the transfer market - we finish 7th another poor season

      Our best player tries everything he can to leave - including biting a player but we refuse to sell

      The owners spend more money bringing players in - we go on to have our best season for years but just miss out on the title

      That summer our best player once again bites a player in the World Cup and tries to force himself out of the club - this time we sell because itā€™s what is best

      The money is then spent - in fact our biggest spending summer in history at that Ā£120mil -we once again drop down out of CL places

      That summer the manager is once again backed - another Ā£80mil

      But after a poor start they decided to make the change by bringing in Klopp and finish the season 8th


      That summer Klopp is backed and players like Mane and Gini arrive - we finish 4th

      The next summer we bring in Robbo , Ox and Klopp wanted Brandt but Edwards and the recruiting team suggested Salah - so they bring in Salah - Coutinho our best player does everything he can to force his way out so we sell up and use the money to bring the CB they wanted in the summer

      We finish top 4 again but lose in the CL final

      The club then have their record transfer window Ā£160mil on - Fabinho , Allison , Keita etc - we go on to have a stellar season win the CL , push City all the way to in the title - I remember ā€œf**king Origiā€ with those goals against Barcelona and Everton and in the CL final , Shaqiri with the winner against the Mancs and balls in for the Barce win

      That summer itā€™s a quiet one , couple young players and a back up GK plus Minamino in the winter - we win the league but Covid happens , the season is extended , the stadiums are empty , the league is stopped at one stage

      But we win that title - it took a lot of hard work , ups and downs , money spent , a couple of managers but after 10 years they found the right balance on and off the field


      So onto this summer - Covid has hit the clubs finances , many clubs arenā€™t really spending but we still go out and buy 3 players to cover areas we needed

      No talk of rebuild needed just adding to one of the best squads in Europe

      Season starts with a short pre season

      We start well - clearly still the best team in the league then the Derby happens

      VVD out for the season , Thiago out for months , then Gomez out for the season , Mane Covid , Salah Covid , Alisson injured , TAA injured , Keita injured , Henderson injured, Jota injured , Shaqiri injured, even Origi injured , Matip injured , Fabinho injured

      We have an unprecedented level of injuries , our spin is ripped apart - we go into Jan battling away but then lose Matip for the season

      Because of Covid the Jan window is not the easiest and this is where they maybe didnā€™t act quick enough but then who knows what is going on in the background

      So now despite there being no calls for a rebuild in the summer we need one know ?!?


      We donā€™t need a rebuild we need our spine fit

      We need VVD , Gomez , Fabinho , Jota , Henderson fit , we need a proper pre season , a good rest - the squad needs to recover from the injuries , we need to hope that Covid hasnā€™t affected the finances of the club too much

      And in the summer the club will look to bring players in and I have no doubt it will be the right players and players will not have to ve sacrificed to bring them in and when we do start winning again maybe people wonā€™t say a word about the work done behind the scenes

      Wicked spot on post (you forgot Milner injured). Looking forward to the team being back next season.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #26814: Feb 22, 2021 09:38:34 am
      Wicked spot on post (you forgot Milner injured). Looking forward to the team being back next season.

      Another Injury just when it was looking like, we would at least have all MF guys fit. But nope, we lose milly then hendo this weekend. :-(
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #26815: Feb 22, 2021 09:41:26 am
      I look forward to the club leaking news about being linked to all sorts of players if we get CL.

      THEN When we end up out of the Top 4 about how there is no money to bring in said players.

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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #26816: Feb 22, 2021 10:45:04 am

      Talk about embellishing for dramatic affect 🤦ā€ā™‚ļø


      How about this version


      FSG buy club with a mountain of leveraged debt and a team full of sub standard players along with multiple disinterested players - they clearly state what the model of the club will be - self sufficient

      As itā€™s their first step into football they bring in Comolli, sack Hodgson , bring back Kenny to help steer the ship until the end of season as well as sign a couple of players

      Kenny does well but we end up 6th - now the choice is stick with Kenny or thank him for the job and move on - they stuck with him and backed him with some expensive signings - Downing etc - we win the league cup , great but end up 8th in the league , nowhere near good enough or what is needed to move forward so Kenny is let go - emotional a hard choice but fundamentally the correct one

      They then bring in an up and coming coach to try and move us forward - he is also backed in the transfer market - we finish 7th another poor season

      Our best player tries everything he can to leave - including biting a player but we refuse to sell

      The owners spend more money bringing players in - we go on to have our best season for years but just miss out on the title

      That summer our best player once again bites a player in the World Cup and tries to force himself out of the club - this time we sell because itā€™s what is best

      The money is then spent - in fact our biggest spending summer in history at that Ā£120mil -we once again drop down out of CL places

      That summer the manager is once again backed - another Ā£80mil

      But after a poor start they decided to make the change by bringing in Klopp and finish the season 8th


      That summer Klopp is backed and players like Mane and Gini arrive - we finish 4th

      The next summer we bring in Robbo , Ox and Klopp wanted Brandt but Edwards and the recruiting team suggested Salah - so they bring in Salah - Coutinho our best player does everything he can to force his way out so we sell up and use the money to bring the CB they wanted in the summer

      We finish top 4 again but lose in the CL final

      The club then have their record transfer window Ā£160mil on - Fabinho , Allison , Keita etc - we go on to have a stellar season win the CL , push City all the way to in the title - I remember ā€œf**king Origiā€ with those goals against Barcelona and Everton and in the CL final , Shaqiri with the winner against the Mancs and balls in for the Barce win

      That summer itā€™s a quiet one , couple young players and a back up GK plus Minamino in the winter - we win the league but Covid happens , the season is extended , the stadiums are empty , the league is stopped at one stage

      But we win that title - it took a lot of hard work , ups and downs , money spent , a couple of managers but after 10 years they found the right balance on and off the field


      So onto this summer - Covid has hit the clubs finances , many clubs arenā€™t really spending but we still go out and buy 3 players to cover areas we needed

      No talk of rebuild needed just adding to one of the best squads in Europe

      Season starts with a short pre season

      We start well - clearly still the best team in the league then the Derby happens

      VVD out for the season , Thiago out for months , then Gomez out for the season , Mane Covid , Salah Covid , Alisson injured , TAA injured , Keita injured , Henderson injured, Jota injured , Shaqiri injured, even Origi injured , Matip injured , Fabinho injured

      We have an unprecedented level of injuries , our spin is ripped apart - we go into Jan battling away but then lose Matip for the season

      Because of Covid the Jan window is not the easiest and this is where they maybe didnā€™t act quick enough but then who knows what is going on in the background

      So now despite there being no calls for a rebuild in the summer we need one know ?!?


      We donā€™t need a rebuild we need our spine fit

      We need VVD , Gomez , Fabinho , Jota , Henderson fit , we need a proper pre season , a good rest - the squad needs to recover from the injuries , we need to hope that Covid hasnā€™t affected the finances of the club too much

      And in the summer the club will look to bring players in and I have no doubt it will be the right players and players will not have to ve sacrificed to bring them in and when we do start winning again maybe people wonā€™t say a word about the work done behind the scenes


      Whats your point? Are you trying to say the owners are not as cuntish as some are saying they are?

      One serious question, this time last year when we were strolling to the title was this conversation still going on?



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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #26817: Feb 22, 2021 10:55:30 am
      Whats your point? Are you trying to say the owners are not as cuntish as some are saying they are?

      One serious question, this time last year when we were strolling to the title was this conversation still going on?


      Thatā€™s exactly it - they have been far from perfect and made mistakes early years which is going to happen when they are new to the sport - but they have learned , the club has moved forwards hugely and they have made the model successful.


      And I didnā€™t see many people pointing fingers at the owners when we strolled to the title

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