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      Reply #27300: Mar 09, 2021 07:01:15 am
      Out of interest, which club has owners you actually like?
      For me, United is a no. City no. Chelsea no. Arsenal no. Spurs no. Newcastle no.
      I don’t know the others well enough to judge.


      Let’s be honest


      For years people turned their nose up towards owners who just spent their own money - it was “buying the league” etc etc or owners who loaned money “putting the club in danger”


      But that’s what some people want to see now


      They just want to see the owners spend their own money or take out loans - that’s all that matters to some now , spending money


      £1bn has been spent on players since they arrived ! , £500mil since Klopp arrived

      People expect money to be plucked out of the air to be spent

      It’s embarrassing to see fans act like spotty teenagers playing football manager
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      Reply #27301: Mar 09, 2021 07:53:15 am

      Let’s be honest


      For years people turned their nose up towards owners who just spent their own money - it was “buying the league” etc etc or owners who loaned money “putting the club in danger”


      But that’s what some people want to see now


      They just want to see the owners spend their own money or take out loans - that’s all that matters to some now , spending money


      £1bn has been spent on players since they arrived ! , £500mil since Klopp arrived

      People expect money to be plucked out of the air to be spent

      It’s embarrassing to see fans act like spotty teenagers playing football manager

      Rubbish,who has said that?All i can see from the posts is fans that want us to be competitive in the market,it's alright to find little jems for bargains but not nearly all the time,we are Liverpool fc not some tin pot mid table team,so stop sucking them off and talking sh*t with this Jürgen has spent £500m because the club have recouped nearly £400m because Jürgen is an elite manager and he and his back room team has developed players into good/world class ones.
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      Reply #27302: Mar 09, 2021 08:37:26 am
      Rubbish,who has said that?All i can see from the posts is fans that want us to be competitive in the market,it's alright to find little jems for bargains but not nearly all the time,we are Liverpool fc not some tin pot mid table team,so stop sucking them off and talking sh*t with this Jürgen has spent £500m because the club have recouped nearly £400m because Jürgen is an elite manager and he and his back room team has developed players into good/world class ones.

       :mad:


      The club spend the money it makes

      Where do you expect the extra money to come from and which of these players were “little gems”


      Alisson
      VVD
      Fabinho
      Thiago
      Jota
      Mane
      Salah
      Firmino
      Keita


      None of them were cheap or little gems


      Which “market” do you think we are not competitive in ? Which team has made “better” signings over the past 5 years

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      Reply #27303: Mar 09, 2021 09:12:43 am
      Don't care about "liking", but i have posed the question before about who it is people prefer would rather own us which conveniently goes ignored. One genius did mention Bayern as some kind of elite model, only to be that their net spend is less than 5M more per season than us on average. Oops.



      Bayern don't need to have a massive net spend when they buy most of the best players in Germany from other teams when their contracts are up.
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      Reply #27304: Mar 09, 2021 09:56:02 am
      Bayern don't need to have a massive net spend when they buy most of the best players in Germany from other teams when their contracts are up.


      They certainly seem to manage to pick up the freebie very week or at least grab players with release clauses

      Over the years they have managed to get some steals


      Hummels , Goretzka  , Lewondonski etc

      Their spending levels are very similar to ours overall
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      Reply #27305: Mar 09, 2021 10:15:52 am
      Double edge sword, is how I see being owners of a football club, we are not City, or PSG, or Chavvy Chelsea, we are Liverpool football club, and our owners being business men are running the club like a business, they won’t Chuck money at us hand over fist because that simply isn’t going to work long term, I don’t know figures but it would be interesting finding out exactly how much money Abramovich has spunked over the years at Chav land, the Shaky sheikh’s at City are relatively new at buying their success and have been under scrutiny with the FFP sh*t,
      How many Millions has the Glazer lot spurted over the years at Scumchester ?

      John W Henry, FSG, NESV, employed Jürgen Klopp because he can and has obtained success with a fraction of the budget those above have squandered, and that is not a bad thing least not for the health and well being of Liverpool FC, they have backed Jürgen when he has needed it, until recently, when a global pandemic has wiped out a very large slice of revenue, money which would go straight back in to allowing further investment in players, so the goalposts have shifted if you pardon the pun,

      So what now ?
      Believe it or not, if the pandemic hadn’t happened I think Jürgen would have wanted to strengthen this summer, and I mean huge, not just one or two boosts, I’m talking about mega millions and a serious overhaul, but it ain’t gonna happen this summer now that’s for sure, what he will want though is perhaps 3,4 or 5 high quality individuals, let’s call them stage one of a rebuild, to arrive before August, where the monies come from he will have no idea, well he might but, it won’t be from ticket sales will it, so now that the goalposts have shifted it may force FSG to loan or dig deep into their own coffers,

      I say that because I still believe FSG are here long term, so contributing out of their own resources will do them no harm, before covid I believe they were preparing for some major investor to join their ranks and with them a major injection of cash,  can’t remember the fellas name Billy something or other, anyhoo he is  mega wealthy apparently so monies would have been made available for transfers.

      I don’t think we have bad owners, they are running us the way they said they would, we are not in debt, we spend what we earn and they have plans for further expansion to Anfield, aka the Annie Rd end, they are looking at bringing in new investors, with money to burn, and apart from this unprecedented season we are winning Titles & European Cups, what is there not to like, it could far worse, we could have Mike Ashley, or those Dipshits at Arsenal, or worse yet the f***in Glazers and their out of depth manager,

      I think back to the H & G nightmare and wonder where we would have ended up had they still been at the helm, looking forward maybe to a play off spot in the Championship?


      Careful what you wish for is all I’m saying and be grateful for what you have, cos it ain’t too bad is it ?




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      Reply #27306: Mar 09, 2021 11:12:33 am
      Double edge sword, is how I see being owners of a football club, we are not City, or PSG, or Chavvy Chelsea, we are Liverpool football club, and our owners being business men are running the club like a business, they won’t Chuck money at us hand over fist because that simply isn’t going to work long term, I don’t know figures but it would be interesting finding out exactly how much money Abramovich has spunked over the years at Chav land, the Shaky sheikh’s at City are relatively new at buying their success and have been under scrutiny with the FFP sh*t,
      How many Millions has the Glazer lot spurted over the years at Scumchester ?

      John W Henry, FSG, NESV, employed Jürgen Klopp because he can and has obtained success with a fraction of the budget those above have squandered, and that is not a bad thing least not for the health and well being of Liverpool FC, they have backed Jürgen when he has needed it, until recently, when a global pandemic has wiped out a very large slice of revenue, money which would go straight back in to allowing further investment in players, so the goalposts have shifted if you pardon the pun,

      So what now ?
      Believe it or not, if the pandemic hadn’t happened I think Jürgen would have wanted to strengthen this summer, and I mean huge, not just one or two boosts, I’m talking about mega millions and a serious overhaul, but it ain’t gonna happen this summer now that’s for sure, what he will want though is perhaps 3,4 or 5 high quality individuals, let’s call them stage one of a rebuild, to arrive before August, where the monies come from he will have no idea, well he might but, it won’t be from ticket sales will it, so now that the goalposts have shifted it may force FSG to loan or dig deep into their own coffers,

      I say that because I still believe FSG are here long term, so contributing out of their own resources will do them no harm, before covid I believe they were preparing for some major investor to join their ranks and with them a major injection of cash,  can’t remember the fellas name Billy something or other, anyhoo he is  mega wealthy apparently so monies would have been made available for transfers.

      I don’t think we have bad owners, they are running us the way they said they would, we are not in debt, we spend what we earn and they have plans for further expansion to Anfield, aka the Annie Rd end, they are looking at bringing in new investors, with money to burn, and apart from this unprecedented season we are winning Titles & European Cups, what is there not to like, it could far worse, we could have Mike Ashley, or those Dipshits at Arsenal, or worse yet the f***in Glazers and their out of depth manager,

      I think back to the H & G nightmare and wonder where we would have ended up had they still been at the helm, looking forward maybe to a play off spot in the Championship?


      Careful what you wish for is all I’m saying and be grateful for what you have, cos it ain’t too bad is it ?




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      Good post


      Covid has affected the club a lot more than others - we would be looking at over £100mil plus each year to be able to spend and that doesn’t include any money from a player being sold


      I still think the manager will have some money to spend this summer - won’t be wholesale changes , a CB coming in , someone like Ben White who they appear to really like and a replacement for Gini , plus someone to replace Origi


      3 signings max

      And it’s not going to be the likes of Mbappe or Haaland
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      Reply #27307: Mar 09, 2021 11:37:43 am
      https://mobile.twitter.com/mochatra/status/1369047399361110017?prefetchtimestamp=1615289713054

      This guy does a lot of analysis on our finances it’s always an in depth insight. Had funds in 2019 to spend but chose not too...
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      Reply #27308: Mar 09, 2021 11:47:51 am
      https://mobile.twitter.com/mochatra/status/1369047399361110017?prefetchtimestamp=1615289713054

      This guy does a lot of analysis on our finances it’s always an in depth insight. Had funds in 2019 to spend but chose not too...

      When I mentioned this as part of the reason for our squad crisis this year I got sacrificed in here.

      I even have a green label on my posts saying "being watched" or something but I haven't seen that label on the poster who called Arabs "rag heads" then tried to justify it by saying it's an "old school" phrase and isn't "politically correct" 😂😂
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      Reply #27309: Mar 09, 2021 12:11:09 pm

      Let’s be honest


      For years people turned their nose up towards owners who just spent their own money - it was “buying the league” etc etc or owners who loaned money “putting the club in danger”


      But that’s what some people want to see now


      They just want to see the owners spend their own money or take out loans - that’s all that matters to some now , spending money


      £1bn has been spent on players since they arrived ! , £500mil since Klopp arrived

      People expect money to be plucked out of the air to be spent

      It’s embarrassing to see fans act like spotty teenagers playing football manager

      Does the simulation game give the football manager spending money for transfers out of the owners pockets? This could be a reason why fans think it’s a given that owners continually find and pump in money for the managers to buy more “toys”.
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      Reply #27310: Mar 09, 2021 01:02:43 pm
      Does the simulation game give the football manager spending money for transfers out of the owners pockets? This could be a reason why fans think it’s a given that owners continually find and pump in money for the managers to buy more “toys”.


      I believe it used to have some editing where you can increase the money from the owners 😁
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      Reply #27311: Mar 09, 2021 01:14:20 pm
      :mad:


      The club spend the money it makes

      Where do you expect the extra money to come from and which of these players were “little gems”


      Alisson
      VVD
      Fabinho
      Thiago
      Jota
      Mane
      Salah
      Firmino
      Keita


      None of them were cheap or little gems


      Which “market” do you think we are not competitive in ? Which team has made “better” signings over the past 5 years

      Mane and Salah certainly are with what we spent on them,as for Ally and VVD had Coutinho stayed FSG would never have forked out all that money for them!The truth is the owners had money available and chose not to spend it,have you always sucked up to FSG or is it because of our recent success?99% of that success is down to Edwards,Jürgen and the team. Jürgen is a world class manager and has these owners tying his hands behind his back,that January window was a disgrace,i don't think Jürgen got our 3rd or 4th choice CB'S in and look what has happened?Kabak is nowhere near ready for PL football and may never be,as for Davies what has happened to him or is that a 25 year old that one for the future with potential?
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      Reply #27312: Mar 09, 2021 01:44:52 pm
      To stay competitive we need to spend a minimum of £100 to £150 million every Summer window.

      I can't see that happening under the current owners unless we sell one of our "big" players this Summer.

      First of our big players to sell for me is Bobby if we get a good offer. Although I suspect Mo will go first as there will be bigger interest for bigger money.
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      Reply #27313: Mar 09, 2021 01:58:26 pm
      To stay competitive we need to spend a minimum of £100 to £150 million every Summer window.

      I can't see that happening under the current owners unless we sell one of our "big" players this Summer.

      First of our big players to sell for me is Bobby if we get a good offer. Although I suspect Mo will go first as there will be bigger interest for bigger money.

      We can spend that level of money when match day revenues are restored along with the shirt sales money
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      Reply #27314: Mar 09, 2021 02:03:54 pm
      We can spend that level of money when match day revenues are restored along with the shirt sales money

      Hopefully the owners will give the club a loan to strengthen the team & reclaim monies back once fans are back in the ground... it’s a shame we don’t have a 75,000 capacity stadium because the demand for tickets is going to be phenomenal..
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      Reply #27315: Mar 09, 2021 02:18:08 pm
      Hopefully the owners will give the club a loan to strengthen the team & reclaim monies back once fans are back in the ground... it’s a shame we don’t have a 75,000 capacity stadium because the demand for tickets is going to be phenomenal..


      I have no doubt they will be looking at options

      The percentage of shirt sales could be a big bonus with the club getting a bigger share of the sales with the Nike deal


      The stadium will always sell out so when the rest of the stands get redeveloped the matchday income will hit £150mil a year
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      Reply #27316: Mar 09, 2021 02:46:23 pm
      We can spend that level of money when match day revenues are restored along with the shirt sales money

      You believe they'll spend that amount of money?? Really?

      We won the Champions League and finished second in the prem and bought no one!

      The reason wasn't "we have the perfect squad". Jürgen explicitly said "we have bills to pay".

      Now we have the biggest bill of all (covid) and you think they're considering £150 mil of transfers?

      Forget that you don't like me, just for a second ;D, and respond to my question and point (if you want to)
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      Reply #27317: Mar 09, 2021 02:52:58 pm
      You believe they'll spend that amount of money?? Really?

      We won the Champions League and finished second in the prem and bought no one!

      The reason wasn't "we have the perfect squad". Jürgen explicitly said "we have bills to pay".

      Now we have the biggest bill of all (covid) and you think they're considering £150 mil of transfers?

      Forget that you don't like me, just for a second ;D, and respond to my question and point (if you want to)


      Yes they will spend that level of money if it’s what is required to bring in the players that Edwards and Klopp want.


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      Reply #27318: Mar 09, 2021 03:51:40 pm

      Yes they will spend that level of money if it’s what is required to bring in the players that Edwards and Klopp want.




      Even if they don't have that much money? Even if it plunges the club seriously into debt?
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      Reply #27319: Mar 09, 2021 04:22:09 pm

      Yes they will spend that level of money if it’s what is required to bring in the players that Edwards and Klopp want.




      We live in hope is all I will say.

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      Reply #27320: Mar 09, 2021 04:23:23 pm

      Yes they will spend that level of money if it’s what is required to bring in the players that Edwards and Klopp want.






      Kind of, what will actually happen is that if a certain player or players became available and Jürgen thinks they will suit his system/philosophy the monies to obtain those targets will be made available, this coming summer I believe Klopp wanted a bit of a clear out, refresh things a bit by bringing in younger elements to the squad, alas that will be put on the back burner until next season, so to that end we might, might only see 2/3 new faces.




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      Reply #27321: Mar 09, 2021 04:23:38 pm
      Even if they don't have that much money? Even if it plunges the club seriously into debt?


      🤦‍♂️


      Read the context of the last few posts


      The question was would the club spend £150mil when the money is there to spend

      No they won’t put the club into serious debt
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      Reply #27322: Mar 09, 2021 04:30:05 pm


      Kind of, what will actually happen is that if a certain player or players became available and Jürgen thinks they will suit his system/philosophy the monies to obtain those targets will be made available, this coming summer I believe Klopp wanted a bit of a clear out, refresh things a bit by bringing in younger elements to the squad, alas that will be put on the back burner until next season, so to that end we might, might only see 2/3 new faces.




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      I think what is clear over the last 5 years is Klopp and Edwards are very clear in their minds what players they want and it’s irrelevant of their price tag

      I know a lot of fans scratched their heads when we signed Gini or Mane or even Salah and also players like Robbo

      They aren’t bothered by the price tag and don’t care if they player is £1mil or £100mil - it’s a shame some fans just look at the price tag

      2/3 players I can see arriving this summer but I wouldn’t even start guessing at the names - last summer it was all about Werner - yet Jota arrived
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      Reply #27323: Mar 09, 2021 04:39:11 pm

      I think what is clear over the last 5 years is Klopp and Edwards are very clear in their minds what players they want and it’s irrelevant of their price tag

      I know a lot of fans scratched their heads when we signed Gini or Mane or even Salah and also players like Robbo

      They aren’t bothered by the price tag and don’t care if they player is £1mil or £100mil - it’s a shame some fans just look at the price tag

      2/3 players I can see arriving this summer but I wouldn’t even start guessing at the names - last summer it was all about Werner - yet Jota arrived

      All we ask is JK gets the players HE wants, regardless of the price tag as you said. If he gets players he didn’t want is when the trouble starts...

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      Reply #27324: Mar 09, 2021 05:06:01 pm


      Kind of, what will actually happen is that if a certain player or players became available and Jürgen thinks they will suit his system/philosophy the monies to obtain those targets will be made available, this coming summer I believe Klopp wanted a bit of a clear out, refresh things a bit by bringing in younger elements to the squad, alas that will be put on the back burner until next season, so to that end we might, might only see 2/3 new faces.



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      Right now mate the idea that Jürgen will be allowed to sign anyone does seem remote, in the context of last summer, last season, this summer, next season whatever.

      There is an implication of the owner's refusal to strengthen on the success  of last season, their refusal to accommodate the manager's request this season for back-up, no comment whatever about the current dilemma, all these negative signs not only "imply" but act as proof that FSG are only interested in the market value of LFC.

      There seems to be no indication of looming disaster that will persuade our owners to take action, although their lack of soccer knowledge does give cause for concern as to what is coming next!
      That said Billy any talk of optimism concerning signings does seem way off the mark, going by previous experience you understand.

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