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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #27807: May 08, 2021 11:14:49 pm
      Correct.

      If they can't make us competitive then they should sell to someone who can.

      It's that simple.

      Otherwise we're just a very big cash dispensing machine for FSG to tap their pin number into when they want their annual dividends.


      What dividends 🤷‍♂️ They haven’t taken any dividends out of the club why would they start now
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      Reply #27808: May 09, 2021 12:52:51 am

      What dividends 🤷‍♂️ They haven’t taken any dividends out of the club why would they start now

      Well they're going to want to get something out of owning LFC presumably.

      Once our valuation starts falling due to lack of onfield success, they'd be mad not to take dividends.

      If they don't then they're getting no income from LFC, and an asset that is falling in value.

      They'd have to be pretty sh*t investors to allow that to continue.

      Deliberately losing money is a classic sign of money laundering.
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      Reply #27809: May 09, 2021 11:43:08 am
      Correct.

      If they can't make us competitive then they should sell to someone who can.

      It's that simple.

      Otherwise we're just a very big cash dispensing machine for FSG to tap their pin number into when they want their annual dividends.

      They have made us competitive though?

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      Reply #27810: May 09, 2021 01:06:33 pm
      Correct.

      If they can't make us competitive then they should sell to someone who can.

      It's that simple.

      Otherwise we're just a very big cash dispensing machine for FSG to tap their pin number into when they want their annual dividends.

      EH?

      did we not just win the league last season, champions league season before , not to mention the finals we got too, I think that counts as competitive. ;D

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      Reply #27811: May 09, 2021 01:26:29 pm
      They have made us competitive though?

      No they haven't

      Klopp has

      He's the German fella with the glasses
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      Reply #27812: May 09, 2021 01:47:18 pm
      Well they're going to want to get something out of owning LFC presumably.

      Once our valuation starts falling due to lack of onfield success, they'd be mad not to take dividends.

      If they don't then they're getting no income from LFC, and an asset that is falling in value.

      They'd have to be pretty sh*t investors to allow that to continue.

      Deliberately losing money is a classic sign of money laundering.

      Why will the valuation drop 🤷‍♂️

      And “get something out of owning the club” - surely thats just having a high profile football club as part of their portfolio

      And when are they “deliberatly losing money “


      Do some people just make stuff up because they are bored or do you actually believe the stuff you are posting
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      Reply #27813: May 09, 2021 01:48:55 pm
      No they haven't

      Klopp has

      He's the German fella with the glasses


      Who employs the manager and the people above him who has supplied him with the players to be successful 🤷‍♂️


      A manager can’t do it all on his own


      Or has it got to the stage now where is

      Success = manager take credit

      Failure = owners take the blame
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      Reply #27814: May 09, 2021 01:59:41 pm
      Why will the valuation drop 🤷‍♂️

      Er, lack of champions league football, which actually brings in you know, tens of millions of pounds, potentially hundreds of millions of pounds if we do well over a period of several years.

      If a business has less money, it's worth less.

      It's pretty basic stuff.
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      Reply #27815: May 09, 2021 02:08:27 pm

      [...] the people above him who has supplied him with the players to be successful 🤷‍♂️


      Do you not know where our transfer budget comes from?

      It doesn't come from FSG. Not a penny of it.

      It comes from Sky/BT, fans on the gate, and competition-related payments by football authorities like UEFA.

      OK there's some commercial sponsorship money, our official sanitary towel partner and that sort of thing, but FSG didn't invent that, I'd guess Manchester United were the first club to exploit this sort of stuff and other clubs just copied them.

      There's no financial input from FSG there, and no intellectual input either.
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      Reply #27816: May 09, 2021 02:13:35 pm
      Er, lack of champions league football, which actually brings in you know, tens of millions of pounds, potentially hundreds of millions of pounds if we do well over a period of several years.

      If a business has less money, it's worth less.

      It's pretty basic stuff.

      The “valuation” of the club won’t drop but at the end of the day a valuation is only relevant if the owners are looking to sell.


      You are talking about income dropping - yes it will for one season but then next season that will be balanced about by the return of fans.


      Yes it’s basic stuff which you currently seem to be struggling with
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      Reply #27817: May 09, 2021 02:17:02 pm
      Do you not know where our transfer budget comes from?

      It doesn't come from FSG. Not a penny of it.

      It comes from Sky/BT, fans on the gate, and competition-related payments by football authorities like UEFA.

      OK there's some commercial sponsorship money, our official sanitary towel partner and that sort of thing, but FSG didn't invent that, I'd guess Manchester United were the first club to exploit this sort of stuff and other clubs just copied them.

      There's no financial input from FSG there, and no intellectual input either.


      The club is theirs , any money earned by the club is by default their money , they employ the staff , they put the right people in the right jobs - they employed the people to bring in the commercial deals , the people to sign the players , they employ the manager

      They don’t do nothing and it shows a lack of understand to suggest they are not worthy of any praise for the resurgence in the club since they bought it.
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      Reply #27818: May 09, 2021 02:30:27 pm
      No they haven't

      Klopp has

      He's the German fella with the glasses

      Thanks for that.

      You've jogged my memory.

      Now I do recall him forcing his way into the club, taking over the squad and negotiating all those deals for the players who have arrived since he took over.



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      Reply #27819: May 09, 2021 02:39:21 pm

      Yes it’s basic stuff which you currently seem to be struggling with



       :lmao:

      You don't know what my job is.
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      Reply #27820: May 09, 2021 03:10:12 pm

      And ? I know it’s someone who doesn’t understand the difference between income and valuation
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      Reply #27821: May 09, 2021 03:20:54 pm
      No other big club operates like us and not all of them are owned by oilgarchs.

      Look at January if you need any example of these owners.

      ONE fit senior centre back made of glass (Matip) and they still didn't want to sign anyone. Last day of the transfer window and they buy Kabak and Davies (who??).

      Keep telling yourself Kabak is good enough, because you want to comfort yourself, but the truth is he isn't and needs to go back to Shalke.

      That myth of "Klopp gets whoever he asks for" has now been dispelled.

      I've never seen another club have a crisis, like the one we had, and outright refuse to sign anyone until there were ZERO fit senior centre backs at our club.

      Remember we took a year off signing anyone because we had "bills to pay". We had just won the Champions League.

      I've seen enough
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      Reply #27822: May 09, 2021 03:23:28 pm
      Did the owners pay the fine for the ESL or did the club pay
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      Reply #27823: May 09, 2021 03:31:56 pm
      No other big club operates like us and not all of them are owned by oilgarchs.

      Look at January if you need any example of these owners.

      ONE fit senior centre back made of glass (Matip) and they still didn't want to sign anyone. Last day of the transfer window and they buy Kabak and Davies (who??).

      Keep telling yourself Kabak is good enough, because you want to comfort yourself, but the truth is he isn't and needs to go back to Shalke.

      That myth of "Klopp gets whoever he asks for" has now been dispelled.

      I've never seen another club have a crisis, like the one we had, and outright refuse to sign anyone until there were ZERO fit senior centre backs at our club.

      Remember we took a year off signing anyone because we had "bills to pay". We had just won the Champions League.

      I've seen enough


      Which “big clubs” are you talking about


      City - oil billionaire
      Chelsea - Oil billionaire
      Man Utd - leveraged debt - spend what they earn
      Arsenal - self sufficient,
      Spurs - self sufficient

      Or abroad maybe

      PSG - oil billionaire
      Bayern - richest club in Germany but spend what they make
      Madrid - debt
      Barcelona - debt


      We won the Champions League and then the next season we won the league - yet you’re done because we didn’t sign anyone 🤔. So winning the league meant nothing to you because we didn’t sign anyone 🤷‍♂️

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      Reply #27824: May 09, 2021 03:43:10 pm

      Which “big clubs” are you talking about


      City - oil billionaire
      Chelsea - Oil billionaire
      Man Utd - leveraged debt - spend what they earn
      Arsenal - self sufficient,
      Spurs - self sufficient

      Or abroad maybe

      PSG - oil billionaire
      Bayern - richest club in Germany but spend what they make
      Madrid - debt
      Barcelona - debt


      We won the Champions League and then the next season we won the league - yet you’re done because we didn’t sign anyone 🤔. So winning the league meant nothing to you because we didn’t sign anyone 🤷‍♂️

      Well, John Henry, let's look at a few clubs in Europe.

      Juve - No oil money (yes they have debt but they win leagues)

      Inter - No oil money (yes they have debt but just won the league).

      Bayern - Generate more money than us and so they can push more money in to success and IT WORKS.

      Real - No oil money (yes debt but they win leagues)

      Barca - No oil money (yes debt but they win leagues)

      I can go on and on tbh.

      Do I mind our club having a manageable debt whilst winning leagues? Of course I don't. I watch Wolves and Villa spend more than us. Even Spurs ffs.

      If we would have strengthened, whilst on top, then we wouldn't have so much dead wood in our squad now.

      You strengthen when you're ahead, that's how all the great clubs do it.

      We didn't and now look where we are, debating on how the UEFA CONFERENCE LEAGUE will be good for our second team and youth.

      That's what happens when you don't strenthen when ahead.
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      Reply #27825: May 09, 2021 03:43:49 pm
      No other big club operates like us and not all of them are owned by oilgarchs.

      Look at January if you need any example of these owners.

      ONE fit senior centre back made of glass (Matip) and they still didn't want to sign anyone. Last day of the transfer window and they buy Kabak and Davies (who??).

      Keep telling yourself Kabak is good enough, because you want to comfort yourself, but the truth is he isn't and needs to go back to Shalke.

      That myth of "Klopp gets whoever he asks for" has now been dispelled.

      I've never seen another club have a crisis, like the one we had, and outright refuse to sign anyone until there were ZERO fit senior centre backs at our club.

      Remember we took a year off signing anyone because we had "bills to pay". We had just won the Champions League.

      I've seen enough

      Shut the door on the way out.  :lmao:
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      Reply #27826: May 09, 2021 03:46:07 pm
      Well, John Henry, let's look at a few clubs in Europe.

      Juve - No oil money (yes they have debt but they win leagues)

      Inter - No oil money (yes they have debt but just won the league).

      Bayern - Generate more money than us and so they can push more money in to success and IT WORKS.

      Real - No oil money (yes debt but they win leagues)

      Barca - No oil money (yes debt but they win leagues)

      I can go on and on tbh.

      Do I mind our club having a manageable debt whilst winning leagues? Of course I don't. I watch Wolves and Villa spend more than us. Even Spurs ffs.

      If we would have strengthened, whilst on top, then we wouldn't have so much dead wood in our squad now.

      You strengthen when you're ahead, that's how all the great clubs do it.

      We didn't and now look where we are, debating on how the UEFA CONFERENCE LEAGUE will be good for our second team and youth.

      That's what happens when you don't strenthen when ahead.

      Real and Barca get strengthened by money from Spanish Royal family in the case of Madrid and from banks in Catalonia in the case of Barca. They may not rely on oil money but they do get extra cash from the above to keep making big signings
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      Reply #27827: May 09, 2021 03:51:00 pm
      Well, John Henry, let's look at a few clubs in Europe.

      Juve - No oil money (yes they have debt but they win leagues)

      Inter - No oil money (yes they have debt but just won the league).

      Bayern - Generate more money than us and so they can push more money in to success and IT WORKS.

      Real - No oil money (yes debt but they win leagues)

      Barca - No oil money (yes debt but they win leagues)

      I can go on and on tbh.

      Do I mind our club having a manageable debt whilst winning leagues? Of course I don't. I watch Wolves and Villa spend more than us. Even Spurs ffs.

      If we would have strengthened, whilst on top, then we wouldn't have so much dead wood in our squad now.

      You strengthen when you're ahead, that's how all the great clubs do it.

      We didn't and now look where we are, debating on how the UEFA CONFERENCE LEAGUE will be good for our second team and youth.

      That's what happens when you don't strenthen when ahead.


      Juve - in serious debt problems

      Barce - in serious  debt

      Madrid - in serious debt

      Yes they win leagues where it’s just them challenging

      Barce and Madrid are also helped out regulary by local governments

      Why do you think they still want to go for the ESL because they are financially fu**ed

      Is that how you want to see the club - debt to eyeballs ?

      You mention Bayern - they play in a one club league - 9 years in a row and buy smartly - the exact method we have used

      Why do you think the owners are getting deals with Nike , trying to expand the stadium to bring in more income to be spent

      And who gives a sh*t if Spurs spent more than us or Wolves - both have won f**k all . It’s not a competition on which club spends the most

      And I suspect we over the past 5 years have spent more on players than both



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      Reply #27828: May 09, 2021 03:59:34 pm
      So your, I mean their, reluctance to sign anyone in Jan was justified?

      To start the season with three senior centre backs, one made of glass, was justified?

      Our sh*t transfer strategy has us below City, United and Chelsea once again.

      Scream FFP as much as you like but it doesn't work.

      Klopp gave us our success! He made good players in to world class ones.

      They even refused to back him.

      I can't sit here debating with a NESV fanboy all day. You stay with your FFP and look how we balanced the books whilst we prepare for our Uefa Conference flights to Uzbekistan
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      Reply #27829: May 09, 2021 04:01:18 pm
      So your, I mean their, reluctance to sign anyone in Jan was justified?

      To start the season with three senior centre backs, one made of glass, was justified?

      Our sh*t transfer strategy has us below City, United and Chelsea once again.

      Scream FFP as much as you like but it doesn't work.

      Klopp gave us our success! He made good players in to world class ones.

      They even refused to back him.

      I can't sit here debating with a NESV fanboy all day. You stay with your FFP and look how we balanced the books whilst we prepare for our Uefa Conference flights to Uzbekistan


      So basically your points about the other owners where shown to be nonsense so instead of trying to back them up you will walk off in a strop instead.

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