NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

When basketball superstar LeBron James bought a two per cent stake in Liverpool back in 2011 for £4.6m he would have hoped for a healthy return on that investment. As of last year, according to reports, that stake is now worth in excess of £40m.

how wrong is this when families have given their hard earned cash for generations to watch Liverpool this chancer comes along and makes more money the people could ever dream of.
what happened to the £500mil investment where has that gone.Bill Shankly probably isnt turning in his grave he cant be arsed after seeing his beloved club sold out people who just love money not football not the City just money

LeBron James invested in FSG


What £500mil investment are you talking about


In regards everything else you said - the club was for sale for years through the 90’s then 00’s but no one who “loved football” or “loved the city” stepped up to buy the club. Again when the club were close to administration- still people didn’t step up to buy the club.

Football is money now , it’s a multi billion pound business- if the fans want to see success at the club then it needs to be a part of that business. There is no point having someone who “loves football” owning the club if they don’t have the financial backing or financial awareness to enable the club to compete

Unfortunately the sport isn’t the same as when the likes of Shankly were around , it’s changed dramatically- we either keep up or drop out.

LeBron James invested in FSG


What £500mil investment are you talking about


In regards everything else you said - the club was for sale for years through the 90’s then 00’s but no one who “loved football” or “loved the city” stepped up to buy the club. Again when the club were close to administration- still people didn’t step up to buy the club.

Football is money now , it’s a multi billion pound business- if the fans want to see success at the club then it needs to be a part of that business. There is no point having someone who “loves football” owning the club if they don’t have the financial backing or financial awareness to enable the club to compete

Unfortunately the sport isn’t the same as when the likes of Shankly were around , it’s changed dramatically- we either keep up or drop out.

unless you were around when Shankly was here you dont know what your talking about. its all relevant and UTD 50 years ago spent more than anyone else Everton where the millionaires club money has influenced football for more than 50 years but you keep on singing from the FSG hymn sheet.

unless you were around when Shankly was here you dont know what your talking about. its all relevant and UTD 50 years ago spent more than anyone else Everton where the millionaires club money has influenced football for more than 50 years but you keep on singing from the FSG hymn sheet.

The most successful clubs in the last 20 years are the ones that have spent the most money - City, Chelsea and Utd  , 17 titles out of the last 20 . The clubs with the highest wages , the highest transfer fees.

Spending 50 years isn’t in the same league compared to what it is now. The game started changing when the Prem started , the minute Abramovich bought Chelsea changed it forever. There was no billion pound Telly deals or sponserships - the club could be bought by a local businessman - those days are long gone 

People don’t own the top clubs because of some love of the sport or the city - they own clubs to earn more money or status.

The most successful clubs in the last 20 years are the ones that have spent the most money - City, Chelsea and Utd  , 17 titles out of the last 20 . The clubs with the highest wages , the highest transfer fees.

Spending 50 years isn’t in the same league compared to what it is now. The game started changing when the Prem started , the minute Abramovich bought Chelsea changed it forever. There was no billion pound Telly deals or sponserships - the club could be bought by a local businessman - those days are long gone 

People don’t own the top clubs because of some love of the sport or the city - they own clubs to earn more money or status.

you're still at it.

This summer will define a lot of supporters final opinion on NESV.

100 posts from you won't change that.

I hope they're paying you very well

The most successful clubs in the last 20 years are the ones that have spent the most money - City, Chelsea and Utd  , 17 titles out of the last 20 . The clubs with the highest wages , the highest transfer fees.

I’m sure we have won more silverware in the past 20 years than City,Chelsea & United...?

LeBron James invested in FSG


What £500mil investment are you talking about


In regards everything else you said - the club was for sale for years through the 90’s then 00’s but no one who “loved football” or “loved the city” stepped up to buy the club. Again when the club were close to administration- still people didn’t step up to buy the club.

Football is money now , it’s a multi billion pound business- if the fans want to see success at the club then it needs to be a part of that business. There is no point having someone who “loves football” owning the club if they don’t have the financial backing or financial awareness to enable the club to compete

Unfortunately the sport isn’t the same as when the likes of Shankly were around , it’s changed dramatically- we either keep up or drop out.

What hasn't changed and never will is the business anthem of feeding an investment to achieve maximum profit margins!!

FSG's apparent lack of faith in the asset that is LFC has seen this term abandoned because of injuries, to be more precise a lack of quality back up to replace vital players, quality back up that could not be acquired because a sell to buy option was not available.

Was Jürgen expected to sell his worldly goods to pay for top class replacements?, were the supporters supposed to have whip round?
 
The owners are happy the manager's genius keeps the market value in the black, top 4 will do the job for them.
How many managers would be prepared to operate on a purely business proposition?

you're still at it.

This summer will define a lot of supporters final opinion on NESV.

100 posts from you won't change that.

I hope they're paying you very well

What are you talking about now ?


Let me guess - that definition will be “how much they spend”

I’m sure we have won more silverware in the past 20 years than City,Chelsea & United...?

Mainly looking at the big ones - the league and CL , cup competitions are great but leagues and CL is what defines the clubs


17 titles between Chelsea , City and United .


Even when the cups are added I suspect we are still behind

https://twitter.com/sportingintel/status/1289664716382453765?s=21

 

What hasn't changed and never will is the business anthem of feeding an investment to achieve maximum profit margins!!

Is that “profit” that is used by the club to reinvest on players ?

FSG's apparent lack of faith in the asset that is LFC has seen this term abandoned because of injuries, to be more precise a lack of quality back up to replace vital players, quality back up that could not be acquired because a sell to buy option was not available.

Have we not consistent spent on players since they became owners ? Do you still expect the club to have the same level of player sat on the bench waiting to come in in case of injury - there is only one club that can achieve that , the one backed by the oil billionaire to the tune of £1bn net

Was Jürgen expected to sell his worldly goods to pay for top class replacements?, were the supporters supposed to have whip round?
 

Klopp have never “had” to sell a player to bring in a replacement? The process is simple - Klopp spends the money the club earns after the bills are paid 🤷‍♂️

The owners are happy the manager's genius keeps the market value in the black, top 4 will do the job for them.
How many managers would be prepared to operate on a purely business proposition?

Don’t most managers operate under the same level ? Spending the money the club earns unless there is an oil billionaire who is happy to cook the books.

I don’t recall once the owners have ever said they are only happy with just top 4 🤷‍♂️ . The owners will be happy that the manager and his staff keeps the club competing for the biggest trophies whilst working within the financial model of the club. If Klopp wasn’t happy with that would he not just walk away 🤷‍♂️


In fact - what is it in layman terms expect from football owners in the current climate ?



The club is in its best position since the late 80’s yet it seems to be not good enough

Is that “profit” that is used by the club to reinvest on players ?


Have we not consistent spent on players since they became owners ? Do you still expect the club to have the same level of player sat on the bench waiting to come in in case of injury - there is only one club that can achieve that , the one backed by the oil billionaire to the tune of £1bn net

Klopp have never “had” to sell a player to bring in a replacement? The process is simple - Klopp spends the money the club earns after the bills are paid 🤷‍♂️


Don’t most managers operate under the same level ? Spending the money the club earns unless there is an oil billionaire who is happy to cook the books.

I don’t recall once the owners have ever said they are only happy with just top 4 🤷‍♂️ . The owners will be happy that the manager and his staff keeps the club competing for the biggest trophies whilst working within the financial model of the club. If Klopp wasn’t happy with that would he not just walk away 🤷‍♂️

The owners spend zilch in the running of the club, LFC is a self sustaining entity.
The owners lend the club monies for bricks and mortar projects, why don't they have the faith to loan money for football matters?
This is a football club not a building society!

The owners spend zilch in the running of the club, LFC is a self sustaining entity.

There mate is the problem for this cyclical argument you two have

You both say the same thing

Problem is he’s happy with it and you’re not

The owners spend zilch in the running of the club, LFC is a self sustaining entity.
The owners lend the club monies for bricks and mortar projects, why don't they have the faith to loan money for football matters?
This is a football club not a building society!

The owners run the club exactly how they say they would

Any money earned by the club is owners money , they own the club , their money but that money is kept within the club and spent by the club - they don’t take money

The club buy players constantly - the manager brings in the players he wants

It’s a football club that over the last ten years has grown from strength to strength during the ownership. Can you remember the state the club was in just before the bought us , the state of the finances , the state of the playing staff.

The owners are doing what they said and it’s working , we are challenging and winning on the field , we are improving each year off the field - we are going up against the clubs that have been financially doped and beating them .

Anyone that thinks these owners are going to spend their OWN money hasn't been paying attention...they're not.

However, my issue is that they don't spend enough of LFC's money.

I don't know that Roman or the City owners or the Glazers pump their own money in do they? Or if they do they have the good sense to do it in a roundabout way so that they "comply" with FFP to an extent that they are blatantly breeching it?

It's great that we are "self-sufficient" and only spend what we make, etc... but at some point we need to take calculated financial risks if we are going to compete with the teams that can spend much more than us. I see FSG as completely risk averse which is going to make it really tough on us when/if Klopp leaves.

2 trophies in 11 years how many have City won or Chelsea so please dont tell me we are competing and beating our rivals City are likely to win more trophies this season than we have in the past 11.
Starving a business of investment means it will stagnate and go backwards (see 2020/21 season for the hard of seeing). Furthermore there investment was £350 mil or so and the club is worth over £2 billion do the maths and dont tell me that that profit will find its way into the club because it wont it will when they sell up go straight into their own. If we dont invest heavily give City the trophy again for next season and hope someone manages to knock them out of the CL so we can have a go.

2 trophies in 11 years how many have City won or Chelsea so please dont tell me we are competing and beating our rivals City are likely to win more trophies this season than we have in the past 11.
Starving a business of investment means it will stagnate and go backwards (see 2020/21 season for the hard of seeing). Furthermore there investment was £350 mil or so and the club is worth over £2 billion do the maths and dont tell me that that profit will find its way into the club because it wont it will when they sell up go straight into their own. If we dont invest heavily give City the trophy again for next season and hope someone manages to knock them out of the CL so we can have a go.

What profit are you talking about ?

The club maybe worth £2bn but any profit from their initial purchase will only happen when the club is actually sold - a clubs worth doesnt mean the club is suddenly flush. That worth is what someone will need to pay to buy the club

We don’t need to “invest” heavily at all - we need our world class CB and his partners to stay fit , we need out top class centre mid to stay fit

With the squad back to fitness next season we will be challenging City again. The squad was good enough to beat the heavily the season before - why wouldnt it be now ?


The club are already looking to improve the squad but we won’t be spending “heavily” - the  club will spend what money is available from the income and any extra from player sales

Back us up now! Or else back off!

Thanks for UCL and PL but now put your money on the table.

fu**ed up bigtime with the ESL.
If they want to really to make amends, put some money where the mouth is.
Otherwise save yer video'd apologies for someone who gives a sh*t.

F**ked up bigtime with the ESL.
If they want to really to make amends, put some money where the mouth is.
Otherwise save yer video'd apologies for someone who gives a sh*t.

Imagine that - look to join a league that gives the club more money but to make amends some people want them to spend more money 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

They wealth is in assets as opposed to cash so what money should they put up ? Loans against the club ?

Imagine that - look to join a league that gives the club more money but to make amends some people want them to spend more money 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

They wealth is in assets as opposed to cash so what money should they put up ? Loans against the club ?

Yup. The hypocrisy of fans is amazing.

Imagine that - look to join a league that gives the club more money but to make amends some people want them to spend more money 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

The proposed ESL was dead in the water, impractical on so many levels and the brainchild of greedy businessmen.

 

They wealth is in assets as opposed to cash so what money should they put up ? Loans against the club ?

I assume you refer to FSG and their wealth being in assets, if so tangible assets are safer than cash and investing in one of those tangible assets, i.e. the bricks and mortar loan to the club is safe houses.
A loan to enlist quality back up would also be safe as houses but these people are not interested in football only market values,

JWH stated on Anfield's pitch when they first got their hands on LFC that they would provide the means to put LFC on the pinnacle again, words that were modified on returning to Boston.

The proposed ESL was dead in the water, impractical on so many levels and the brainchild of greedy businessmen.

 
I assume you refer to FSG and their wealth being in assets, if so tangible assets are safer than cash and investing in one of those tangible assets, i.e. the bricks and mortar loan to the club is safe houses.
A loan to enlist quality back up would also be safe as houses but these people are not interested in football only market values,

A loan from who and against what ? From the bank and against the club ? Just like previous owners did - what happens when people then start to complain that repayments for that loan start to take income away from the club that could be used to buy players ?


And we bought 3 back ups in the summer - Kostas , Thiago and Jota

It’s also within FFP rules to use loans and owners money to build up stadium - why do you think they are trying to build up the stadium ? Maybe to increase the level of matchday income into the club which can they be used to purchase players per chance 🤷‍♂️

And “not interested in football” - have an opinion but don’t make up sh*te

JWH stated on Anfield's pitch when they first got their hands on LFC that they would provide the means to put LFC on the pinnacle again, words that were modified on returning to Boston.

Have we not been put to the pinnacle again

In Europe

https://twitter.com/bleacherreport/status/1134926866647789569?s=21


In England

https://twitter.com/espnfc/status/1259898465242492928?s=21


In the World

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1208506731573194754?s=21

What profit are you talking about ?

The club maybe worth £2bn but any profit from their initial purchase will only happen when the club is actually sold - a clubs worth doesnt mean the club is suddenly flush. That worth is what someone will need to pay to buy the club

We don’t need to “invest” heavily at all - we need our world class CB and his partners to stay fit , we need out top class centre mid to stay fit

With the squad back to fitness next season we will be challenging City again. The squad was good enough to beat the heavily the season before - why wouldnt it be now ?


The club are already looking to improve the squad but we won’t be spending “heavily” - the  club will spend what money is available from the income and any extra from player sales

Wtf surely you didn't just advocate us not strengthening our squad?

I was joking before about you being JWH behind the screen but, seriously, are you paid by NESV?

You've just called for us to not strengthen when Stevie Wonder can see we need to strengthen.

We need a CB partner for Virj.

We need a world class CM to replace Gini.

We need a world class 9.

You're saying let's get Kabak on another loan and let's go again 😂

Wtf surely you didn't just advocate us not strengthening our squad?

I was joking before about you being JWH behind the screen but, seriously, are you paid by NESV?

You've just called for us to not strengthen when Stevie Wonder can see we need to strengthen.

We need a CB partner for Virj.

We need a world class CM to replace Gini.

We need a world class 9.

You're saying let's get Kabak on another loan and let's go again 😂

 

Stop playing football manager on your pc


Read what’s posted and stop abusing your right to be an idiot