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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #28400: Jun 11, 2021 11:37:37 am
      He's right though

      Any owner would have been involved in that and if your thinkk otherwise you are being incredibly naïve.

      Also they weren't the forerunners, that was Perez and Agnelli, but obviously once this was being mooted no big clubs would have wanted to be left behind.

      There are far more terrible ideas and things they have pushed than this i.e ticket prices etc and they do need to learn still to have a better idea of what is fans think but ESL isn't the biggest f**k up they've made as far as I'm concerned.

      To be perfectly honest in the cold light of day the idea in theory may not be as terrible as first thought of as long as it's not a closed shop as UEFA aren't the angels many seem to want to portray them to be after the ESL debacle and will likely want to push through something similar themselves.

      This I agree with.

      I would, as a fan, be very interested in a new European club competition that's open to anyone worthy of qualifying.

      My issue is the way he makes out that FSG only entered because they didn't want to be left behind.

      It's in line with his constant defense of FSG
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      Reply #28401: Jun 11, 2021 11:39:42 am
      So are you suggesting that the ESL was started by FSG ?

      Are you really sure - was it not the brain child of Perez

      And if one was created that some big clubs wouldn’t join ?!



      He personally pushed it amongst the PL American owned teams..
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      Reply #28402: Jun 11, 2021 11:42:42 am
      He personally pushed it amongst the PL American owned teams..
      So they didn’t “instigate” it as you and other are stating then


      Was it not Joel Glazer who was first involved


      https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/inews.co.uk/sport/football/european-super-league-who-behind-figures-started-esl-plans-teams-left-premier-league-966087/amp


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      Reply #28403: Jun 11, 2021 11:44:01 am
      If you want to be pedantic, LFC is a going concern with all that implies.
      There have been extraordinary statistics for instance when H&G and their ruinous tenure prevailed but in the main the club is a cast iron investment or as near as imaginable.

      That is the only scenario available to FSG fans, present a distorted, worst case example of the club's record in an effort to promote the carpetbaggers.

      To those who find the challenge to the FSG bullshit tiresome and boring, it is worth pointing out that while the bullshit is repeated often enough there are those here who are gullible to accept it as the truth.
      Worse still are those with a vested interest promoting such bullshit.

      I wouldn't find the challenge "tiresome and boring" if it had any substance! You said the club guarantees improved financial results each year, I've shown it to be a false statement - it's as simple as that. If you find that pedantic, then it says more about you than me, I am sorry stuey.

      Of course, you then come back with another cryptic message instead of engaging with the facts. And on top of that, still feel the need to be snide and imply that those that disagree with you must have "vested interests". Oh well
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #28404: Jun 11, 2021 11:46:18 am

      I never claimed they instigated it.

      I claimed they were front runners along with United
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      Reply #28405: Jun 11, 2021 11:49:59 am
      Lmao my whole point was we have a history of other clubs winning the player when more than one party involved.

      You've come along and told me reasons why we lost out.

      It's simple, we offered a contract and so did other clubs and they won.

      Kroos, Stevie called him personally at the request of Brendan.

      Hazard, Sir Woy admitted we were in but he chose th Chels.

      Depay, came out and said he picked them over us.

      Sigurdsson, we lost out to Spurs which proves my point. You can put it however you like.

      Diego Costa, he said he rejected us because Jose told him he's coming for him. Proves my point.

      Salah, proves my point.

      Sanchez, proves my point. If we were United, at the time, you think his mrs could have told him she only wants London?

      Teixeira, we were firmly in for him, on my knowledge, and lost out to the Chinese club.

      Anyway, I proved my point

      Sorry but we didn’t bid for most of those players and certainly didn’t offer any contracts to them


      You can provide some actually proof to back up showing we offered all those players contracts


      You need to stop believe all the transfer rumours you read 😂
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      Reply #28406: Jun 11, 2021 11:51:28 am
      I never claimed they instigated it.

      I claimed they were front runners along with United

      I never said you claimed they instigated it but two other people did when they clearly didnt 🤦‍♂️
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      Reply #28407: Jun 11, 2021 11:54:45 am
      So are you suggesting that the ESL was started by FSG ?

      Are you really sure - was it not the brain child of Perez

      And if one was created that some big clubs wouldn’t join ?!



      You make sh*t up for sure.
      The lad said "FSG instigated the ESL debacle" as I did in a previous post, meaning of course that FSG was the party in the LFC hierarchy responsible for the proposal, not Klopp, not the tea lady but our owners.
      Purely for sh*t stirring purposes you twisted the comment, get a life.
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      Reply #28408: Jun 11, 2021 11:55:01 am
      Sorry but we didn’t bid for most of those players and certainly didn’t offer any contracts to them


      You can provide some actually proof to back up showing we offered all those players contracts


      You need to stop believe all the transfer rumours you read 😂

      I'm not going to sit here finding links, I don't work for an anti FSG company.

      If you think all/most of those were false then ok.

      You can bring the Camel to the lake but can't force it to drink is what springs to mind
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      Reply #28409: Jun 11, 2021 11:55:16 am
      You learned a new word ‘veracity’ 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Keep using it...& no need to send a twitter or reddit link,I’ll just send them some of your post..

      :D you try to be funny but that doesn't even make sense, my posts are not disputing the club's financial accounts that they audit. But hey, you must still be trying to figure out our wage bill, be sure to let them know your thoughts.

      I don't suffer from the sheer arrogance of thinking I must know better than the facts, choose to ignore them, then call it scepticism.
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      Reply #28410: Jun 11, 2021 11:58:51 am
      You make sh*t up for sure.
      The lad said "FSG instigated the ESL debacle" as I did in a previous post, meaning of course that FSG was the party in the LFC hierarchy responsible for the proposal, not Klopp, not the tea lady but our owners.
      Purely for sh*t stirring purposes you twisted the comment, get a life.

      Do you understand what “instigate” means

      What exactly is being “made up”


      The ESL was “instigated” by Perez and Agnelli not FSG

      FSG joined the proposal along with the other clubs after Perez and Co started it off.


      No one has even suggested it had anything to do with Klopp ?!

      Stop trying to act clever to get yourself out of holes you dig yourself into

      That season ticket gone back yet ?
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      Reply #28411: Jun 11, 2021 12:07:52 pm
      So Hazard going to Chelsea rather than choosing to be managed by Roy in a team that was then going absolutely nowhere somehow proves something! Or Toni Kroos preferring to play for the European champions! Depay never said he rejected Liverpool, and we were also out of the UCL at the time. Sanchez was supposed to have been attracted more by Wenger than money (of which we were supposed to be "throwing" a lot of at him, as said by someone inside Arsenal).

      Yeah in the end we did miss out on some players but also won plenty of others. Ultimately it matters not one iota if we are prepared to wait for the right players, as long as we are competitive on the pitch. Did we have to beat Man Utd to sign Diogo Jota? I don't think so, and does it matter? I know he will be a better player for us than Depay was to them. And thank f**k one of the players we missed out on happened to be Sigurdsson (though I was very keen on him then :D), but at a time when Spurs went for pretty much all of the same players we did ok to bring Suarez.
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      Reply #28412: Jun 11, 2021 12:11:02 pm
      So Hazard going to Chelsea rather than choosing to be managed by Roy in a team that was then going absolutely nowhere somehow proves something! Or Toni Kroos preferring to play for the European champions! Depay never said he rejected Liverpool, and we were also out of the UCL at the time. Sanchez was supposed to have been attracted more by Wenger than money (of which we were supposed to be "throwing" a lot of at him, as said by someone inside Arsenal).

      Yeah in the end we did miss out on some players but also won plenty of others. Ultimately it matters not one iota if we are prepared to wait for the right players, as long as we are competitive on the pitch. Did we have to beat Man Utd to sign Diogo Jota? I don't think so, and does it matter? I know he will be a better player for us than Depay was to them. And thank f**k one of the ones we missed out on happened to be Sigurdsson (though I was very keen on him then :D), but at a time when Spurs went for pretty much all of the same players we did ok to bring Suarez.

      There is absolute nonsense spouted daily in this thread mate and I find I always end up getting dragged back in.

      I know I sound like I'm an all singing and dancing FSG fanboy at times but far from it as I've criticised plenty of what they've tried to do here at times but it's the sheer bullshitting that I cannot leave alone as it's as tiresome as it is untrue.

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      Reply #28413: Jun 11, 2021 12:11:55 pm
      I wouldn't find the challenge "tiresome and boring" if it had any substance! You said the club guarantees improved financial results each year, I've shown it to be a false statement - it's as simple as that. If you find that pedantic, then it says more about you than me, I am sorry stuey.

      Of course, you then come back with another cryptic message instead of engaging with the facts. And on top of that, still feel the need to be snide and imply that those that disagree with you must have "vested interests". Oh well

      LFC is as near the perfect investment there is and for anyone who has a professed knowledge of the markets to dispute this obviously has an agenda!

      The investment is just that and will provide a sustainable return in the long term, even foregoing the business maxim of feeding an asset, in this case the performance and status of the asset will be greatly limited by way of reduced financial backing.

      I made no direct implication with the 'vested interest' comment although there have been individual's banned in the past after being identified as agents of the owners.
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      Reply #28414: Jun 11, 2021 12:12:40 pm
      So Hazard going to Chelsea rather than choosing to be managed by Roy in a team that was then going absolutely nowhere somehow proves something! Or Toni Kroos preferring to play for the European champions! Depay never said he rejected Liverpool, and we were also out of the UCL at the time. Sanchez was supposed to have been attracted more by Wenger than money (of which we were supposed to be "throwing" a lot of at him, as said by someone inside Arsenal).

      Yeah in the end we did miss out on some players but also won plenty of others. Ultimately it matters not one iota if we are prepared to wait for the right players, as long as we are competitive on the pitch. Did we have to beat Man Utd to sign Diogo Jota? I don't think so, and does it matter? I know he will be a better player for us than Depay was to them. And thank f**k one of the players we missed out on happened to be Sigurdsson (though I was very keen on him then :D), but at a time when Spurs went for pretty much all of the same players we did ok to bring Suarez.

      This bunch of sh*te got two likes? Really?

      Did you even read my first point before you came along spouting this nonsense?

      My WHOLE POINT was regarding Mbappe. I said we will never sign him when others are involved. We have a history of losing out when more than one elite club is involved.

      Did I give any reason why? NO!

      You lot then come along and give me a thousand reasons WHY we missed out.

      I was not debating WHY we missed out but THAT WE MISS OUT WHEN MORE THAN ONE TEAM ARE OFFERING CONTRACTS!

      Is that clear enough for you lot?
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      Reply #28415: Jun 11, 2021 12:14:55 pm
      This bunch of sh*te got two likes? Really?

      Did you even read my first point before you came along spouting this nonsense?

      My WHOLE POINT was regarding Mbappe. I said we will never sign him when others are involved. We have a history of losing out when more than one elite club is involved.

      Did I give any reason why? NO!

      You let then come along and give me a thousand reasons WHY we missed out.

      I was not debating WHY we missed out but THAT WE MISS OUT WHEN MORE THAN ONE TEAM ARE OFFERING CONTRACTS!

      Is that clear enough for you lot?

      I never get obsessed about 'missing out' as generally speaking we get the players we need and the success in the last few seasons proves this.

      I never believe we are in for Mbappe anyway so don't think we will miss out anyway.
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      Reply #28416: Jun 11, 2021 12:16:09 pm
      LFC is as near the perfect investment there is and for anyone who has a professed knowledge of the markets to dispute this obviously has an agenda!

      The investment is just that and will provide a sustainable return in the long term, even foregoing the business maxim of feeding an asset, in this case the performance and status of the asset will be greatly limited by way of reduced financial backing.

      I made no direct implication with the 'vested interest' comment although there have been individual's banned in the past after being identified as agents of the owners.


      Is this serious 😂😂😂

      Banned as agents of the owners 😂


      Sorry but what is an agent of the owner and why would they be banned 😂😂

      Wonder if it pays well - Christ there are some paranoid people around
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      Reply #28417: Jun 11, 2021 12:18:33 pm

      Is this serious 😂😂😂

      Banned as agents of the owners 😂


      Sorry but what is an agent of the owner and why would they be banned 😂😂

      Wonder if it pays well - Christ there are some paranoid people around

      Do some research Mr Gimp!
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      Reply #28418: Jun 11, 2021 12:18:40 pm

      I never believe we are in for Mbappe anyway so don't think we will miss out anyway.

      I also said this.

      I believe we're not even sniffing let alone in for him.

      I said his wages will be too high to which I was argued that "wages will not be a problem".

      I said will it no disrupt Salah and co? To which I was argued "doesn't matter".

      I said when more than one club are involved we miss out and there's a long list of players we missed out on. I got told "no there isn't, prove it!".

      I send my list and got argued "oh we missed out on this one for x reason and we missed out on that one for y reason".

      It's all the same! We missed out and that was my exact point.

      I think people want to argue for the sake of arguing
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      Reply #28419: Jun 11, 2021 12:19:45 pm


      😂😂 why when you appear to have the answers 😂
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      Reply #28420: Jun 11, 2021 12:21:07 pm
      I was not debating WHY we missed out but THAT WE MISS OUT WHEN MORE THAN ONE TEAM ARE OFFERING CONTRACTS!

      Is that clear enough for you lot?

      It is very clear, it is also untrue and occasionally irrelevant - missing out on top players at a time when you are a shambles managed by Roy Hodgson hardly reflects anything on the recently arrived owners, so your choice of listing someone like Hazard is odd, to say the least. The reality is closer to we miss some, we win others. For a lot of the examples that you posted and then said it "proved" your point, it is very far from clear that we even offered a contract.
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      Reply #28421: Jun 11, 2021 12:24:18 pm
      It is very clear, it is also untrue and occasionally irrelevant - missing out on top players at a time when you are a shambles managed by Roy Hodgson hardly reflects anything on the recently arrived owners, so your choice of listing someone like Hazard is odd, to say the least. The reality is closer to we miss some, we win others. For a lot of the examples that you posted and then said it "proved" your point, it is very far from clear that we even offered a contract.

      They owned the club when Roy made the statement I'm referring to.

      Ok, I give up.

      You think we win players when we go head to head with other elite clubs, I don't.

      I posted my arguments and you posted your replies. No worries 👍🏽
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      Reply #28422: Jun 11, 2021 12:30:02 pm
      Could we all agree that we would expect the following from any owners?

      Build a strong competitive squad of players

      Hire the best coaching and management team we can get.

      Hire the best recruitment people in the game.

      Grow the commercial side of the business to increase revenue streams

      Develop the infrastructure of the club like stadium and training facilities.

      Compete and win trophies.

      Liaise with fans and community to harbor a good relationship.

      Maintaing reasonable ticket prices to allow access to supporters to see the team live.


      Maintain the values of the club in how they conduct themselves.


      Not an exhaustive list and feel free to add your own.

      Now just leave the current owners aside for a second and of say the above is a good start point of what we all would expect from any owner of the club.

      After that have a think if the current owners have a yes or a no to the above and for me there are far more yea than nay.
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      Reply #28423: Jun 11, 2021 12:33:14 pm
      Could we all agree that we would expect the following from any owners?

      Build a strong competitive squad of players

      Hire the best coaching and management team we can get.

      Hire the best recruitment people in the game.

      Grow the commercial side of the business to increase revenue streams

      Develop the infrastructure of the club like stadium and training facilities.

      Compete and win trophies.

      Liaise with fans and community to harbor a good relationship.

      Maintaing reasonable ticket prices to allow access to supporters to see the team live.


      Maintain the values of the club in how they conduct themselves.


      Not an exhaustive list and feel free to add your own.

      Now just leave the current owners aside for a second and of say the above is a good start point of what we all would expect from any owner of the club.

      After that have a think if the current owners have a yes or a no to the above and for me there are far more yea than nay.

      That sums it all up

      There are a couple areas where our current owners have failed at times but believe they learn from that
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      Reply #28424: Jun 11, 2021 12:33:35 pm
      LFC is as near the perfect investment there is and for anyone who has a professed knowledge of the markets to dispute this obviously has an agenda!

      The investment is just that and will provide a sustainable return in the long term, even foregoing the business maxim of feeding an asset, in this case the performance and status of the asset will be greatly limited by way of reduced financial backing.

      I made no direct implication with the 'vested interest' comment although there have been individual's banned in the past after being identified as agents of the owners.

      I think LFC were a great investment at the time they came in because of the untapped potential of the club, that is for sure - there were not that many suitors to the post, however, with most of the dodgy rich owners preferring to go to clubs where they would be under a lot less scrutiny and even bigger untapped potential (that means avg teams in big cities with big stadiums). They came in at a time when the club was underperforming commercially and when TV contracts were on the up, which improved the value of all clubs in the Premier League. This was far from guaranteed though, as 20 years of incompetence before them should show. The fact the revenue growth that has since been accrued (with LFC's commercial revenue growth the largest in the league) has been matched by wage bill spending has allowed the team to achieve success on the pitch with a fantastic manager.

      That is not to say that growth is limitless, though, nor guaranteed - there are no guarantees of positive financial returns when you need to spend so much to maintain a competitive squad, nor even a guarantee of an improved valuation. You have to wonder whether TV contracts are going to continue to grow indefinitely, there are definitely signs this is not the case. And LFC are now near the top of the revenue table, with hardly that much room for growth - which is why they are keen to continue expanding the stadium, for instance.

      If anything, the ESL was precisely the result of owners' desire for more stable and guaranteed financial returns, something they don't have at the moment. If that was the case with the UCL setup, none of this ESL bullshit would've even come to life. Imagine if LFC missed out on Champions League this season, for example - on top of missing all of the matchday revenue for a whole season - you could be sure this would've had quite an impact on the club's results. The ESL would make sure they wouldn't have to worry about it. For comparison, all 20 teams in the NBA posted profits in 2020, while the Premier League had combined losses of about £1billion in 2019/20.
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