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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #28725: Jul 17, 2021 05:26:50 pm
      Here's the thing you seem unable to grasp:
      Firmino keeps getting picked for club and country, that's a fact.

      Mine isn't an opinion, it's an observation of fact.

      Your opinion on the other hand is at odds with observable, quantifiable facts, which makes it utterly worthless.

      Y'see, whilst everyone is entitled to their opinion, they are not entitled to have that opinion automatically respected, especially when it is the opposite of oberservable, quantifiable fact.

      Here's another fact for you: players have dips in form because of a variety of reasons, not least of which is fatigue.

      Here's yet another fact for you: Barca and PSG were fighting over Wijnaldum, two of the world's biggest clubs. Which in turn, makes the opinion of those who think he's no good, worthless.

      This is the problem with the internet: gobshites think their bullshit opinions have to be respected. They do not. If an opinion is obviously a load of bollocks, it's worthless, which is exactly what an opinion that is the opposite of oberservable, quantifiable fact is: worthless.

      Where did I mention Wijnaldum? I wanted him to stay so you're preaching to the converted.

      You didn't answer my other two questions mate
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      Reply #28726: Jul 17, 2021 05:50:11 pm
      Where did I mention Wijnaldum? I wanted him to stay so you're preaching to the converted.

      You didn't answer my other two questions mate

      The Wijnaldum sh*t was an ongoing shitposters dream on here for a long time, so it has that in common with the Firmino shitposting.

      Carragher is a pundit - he gets paid to stir sh*t, so that's what he does.
      Never, ever believe a pundit.
      Pundits insisted Klopp played a 442 at one time.
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      Reply #28727: Jul 17, 2021 06:10:35 pm
      For all the enthusiasm and support you and the other FSG fans shower on our errant owners it would seem they have been a tremendous asset to LFC.

      Apparently not it appears.

      Two trophies in 11 years is certainly not a commendable record for FSG,  the plaudits must go to the genius of Jürgen Klopp who has acheived in spite of fhe apparent failings of FSG.

      Which means you expected more trophies... back in point. They did something which added two major trophies - hiring Klopp plus sanctioning transfers. What did they fail to do that prevented us from winning more trophies?

      In a close title race we could all argue if that shot had crossed the line we would be a few points better off and hence we could have added another trophy.

      But what did FSG fail to do that prevented us from winning more trophies? This would be a clear failing of them if we can find and present real evidence. I’d like to understand this point better.
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      Reply #28728: Jul 17, 2021 06:15:17 pm
      The Wijnaldum sh*t was an ongoing shitposters dream on here for a long time, so it has that in common with the Firmino shitposting.

      Carragher is a pundit - he gets paid to stir sh*t, so that's what he does.
      Never, ever believe a pundit.
      Pundits insisted Klopp played a 442 at one time.

      I’m a professional pundit on this forum. ;D
      Shabs
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      Reply #28729: Jul 17, 2021 06:17:11 pm
      I'd agree with this if they hadn't stated what they were going to do as soon as they came in.

      If there was any grey area, I'd be right there with you.

      Problem is, I can't really have a pop at someone for sticking to their word.
      And even then, we've got a new stand, new training complex and another new stand on the way.

      From my perspective, they've brought the club into the 21st century after decades of neglect, and a few years of shysters trying to asset strip us, increased commercial revenue, built a great squad, and won a few trophies.

      I’m not Knocking what they have done thus far… what I’m saying principle or not it would be nice to dip into funds other than what club generates…

      Flip the coin..

      Would you still be happy with FSG if they stuck to their principles & only spent what the club generated if it started to have a detrimental impact on the team, trophies & we become a team that only challenges for top 4..?
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      Reply #28730: Jul 17, 2021 06:19:58 pm
      I’m not Knocking what they have done thus far… what I’m saying principle or not it would be nice to dip into funds other than what club generates…

      Flip the coin..

      Would you still be happy with FSG if they stuck to their principles & only spent what the club generated if it started to have a detrimental impact on the team, trophies & we become a team that only challenges for top 4..?

      As I said, I find it hard to knock someone for sticking to their word.
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      Reply #28731: Jul 17, 2021 06:22:17 pm
      JWH stood on the pitch and said he would make LFC great again and would provide all the means to achieve that end when NESV acquired the club.

      I could be wrong...

      I guess you were disappointed that they didn’t put in their ALL to be highlighting this. And had they put in their ALL we would’ve won more than two major trophies. That’s your argument. Even if they had put in their ALL we may not have won more trophies. But at least that would’ve made you happier I guess... it’s not about the trophies. You’d probably like to see them being more committed. Most of the time, money talks. You’d like them to show you the money. Maybe it’s this but I could be wrong.
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      Reply #28732: Jul 17, 2021 06:25:56 pm
      "The red shirt (of Liverpool) would suit very well," Klopp said in an interview with German newspaper Bild. "I don't think such a transfer will be possible this season"

      Taken from the link you posted

      It could just be admiration. It’s not explicit that he said he wanted Sancho. And third parities like the press took it to mean he wanted Sancho.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #28733: Jul 17, 2021 06:35:49 pm
      I’m not Knocking what they have done thus far… what I’m saying principle or not it would be nice to dip into funds other than what club generates…

      Flip the coin..

      Would you still be happy with FSG if they stuck to their principles & only spent what the club generated if it started to have a detrimental impact on the team, trophies & we become a team that only challenges for top 4..?

      This is the modern day expectation of an owner. That they should not only spend what the club generates. They should generate wealth from other sources and invest those wealth into the club continually. If the club is a community, that’s an absolutely understandable point of view.
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      Reply #28734: Jul 17, 2021 06:51:06 pm
      I’m not Knocking what they have done thus far… what I’m saying principle or not it would be nice to dip into funds other than what club generates…

      Flip the coin..

      Would you still be happy with FSG if they stuck to their principles & only spent what the club generated if it started to have a detrimental impact on the team, trophies & we become a team that only challenges for top 4..?


      “IF”


      Why worry about the negatives and look at situations that aren’t happening-


      Their methods have took us from a team outside the top 4 to a team that won the CL and title - Covid has clearly had an effect on the finances allowed but they have still brought in 3 clearly top class players and a back up.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #28735: Jul 17, 2021 08:06:23 pm
      He did!!

      We've won the league after 30 years and another European Cup you absolute clown.

      Jesus H Christ mate take your head out of your ass for one minute and see they have had success and done pretty much what we wanted from them.

      With what input shithead?
      FSG with their zero contribution in 11 years gave us exactly what you expect from a party that contributes nothing- f**k all .
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      Reply #28736: Jul 17, 2021 08:18:29 pm
      I could be wrong...

      I guess you were disappointed that they didn’t put in their ALL to be highlighting this. And had they put in their ALL we would’ve won more than two major trophies. That’s your argument. Even if they had put in their ALL we may not have won more trophies. But at least that would’ve made you happier I guess... it’s not about the trophies. You’d probably like to see them being more committed. Most of the time, money talks. You’d like them to show you the money. Maybe it’s this but I could be wrong.

      You conveniently neglect to mention the pre-Klopp years which saw LFC sack managers for fun and trophy cabinets empty.
      Klopp is the only element in last seasons long awaited success.

      It could be said he achieved in spite of the faulted economies of the owners.
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      Reply #28737: Jul 17, 2021 08:30:47 pm
      I’m not Knocking what they have done thus far… what I’m saying principle or not it would be nice to dip into funds other than what club generates…

      Flip the coin..

      Would you still be happy with FSG if they stuck to their principles & only spent what the club generated if it started to have a detrimental impact on the team, trophies & we become a team that only challenges for top 4..?

      Their faulted economies have cost us the Prem. .
      Their refusal to sign quality replacements in defence and midfield cost us, only these f**king eejits claim black is white and we didn’t retain the title because blah blah blah.
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      Reply #28738: Jul 17, 2021 09:02:05 pm
      With what input shithead?
      FSG with their zero contribution in 11 years gave us exactly what you expect from a party that contributes nothing- f**k all .


      Are you really that f**king stupid to suggest that the owners have made zero contribution in 11 years


      I didn’t think one person could be so f**king bitter and clueless
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      Reply #28739: Jul 17, 2021 09:03:49 pm
      Their faulted economies have cost us the Prem. .
      Their refusal to sign quality replacements in defence and midfield cost us, only these f**king eejits claim black is white and we didn’t retain the title because blah blah blah.


      Why are you stating that as a fact ?


      Are you that thick and ignorant you ignore the levels of injuries


      Just like trying to claim we have only won 2 trophies in 11.
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      Reply #28740: Jul 17, 2021 09:04:43 pm
      You conveniently neglect to mention the pre-Klopp years which saw LFC sack managers for fun and trophy cabinets empty.
      Klopp is the only element in last seasons long awaited success.

      It could be said he achieved in spite of the faulted economies of the owners.


      Are you ignoring a trophy we won before Klopp arrived ?

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      Reply #28741: Jul 17, 2021 10:10:30 pm

      Are you ignoring a trophy we won before Klopp arrived ?



      & your ignoring the trophies we won before FSG arrived…
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      Reply #28742: Jul 17, 2021 10:16:34 pm

      Why are you stating that as a fact ?


      Are you that thick and ignorant you ignore the levels of injuries


      Just like trying to claim we have only won 2 trophies in 11.

      You're really fond of fsg aren't you.

      I've not heard you level one criticism at them. Go on give us just one.
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      Reply #28743: Jul 17, 2021 10:20:44 pm
      The Wijnaldum sh*t was an ongoing shitposters dream on here for a long time, so it has that in common with the Firmino shitposting.

      Carragher is a pundit - he gets paid to stir sh*t, so that's what he does.
      Never, ever believe a pundit.
      Pundits insisted Klopp played a 442 at one time.

      So Carra is a troll then? Phil Thompson?

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1375134/Liverpool-transfer-news-Phil-Thompson-Dayot-Upamecano/amp
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      Reply #28744: Jul 17, 2021 10:58:56 pm
      Is there something of a sponsored argument going on in this thread . Seems to have been going on for ages
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      Reply #28745: Jul 17, 2021 11:10:55 pm
      Is there something of a sponsored argument going on in this thread . Seems to have been going on for ages

      As long as FSG remain owners and refuse to finance the club to the detriment of the very thing LFC represents they will be criticised.
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      Reply #28746: Jul 17, 2021 11:16:18 pm
      As long as FSG remain owners they will be criticised.

      Fixed that for you
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      Reply #28747: Jul 17, 2021 11:35:06 pm
      & your ignoring the trophies we won before FSG arrived…


      🤷‍♂️ When have I ignored them 🤷‍♂️
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      Reply #28748: Jul 17, 2021 11:37:30 pm
      You're really fond of fsg aren't you.

      I've not heard you level one criticism at them. Go on give us just one.

      I was in the stadium and walked out 5 years ago due to ticket issues - I suspect you were prob supporting chelsea then


      The owners also were wrong about the ESL and also talking about putting the staff on furlough - there are three areas the owners got wrong and rectified the situation so I don’t see the need to drag them up constantly to score points
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      Reply #28749: Jul 17, 2021 11:43:25 pm
      As long as FSG remain owners and refuse to finance the club to the detriment of the very thing LFC represents they will be criticised.


      That’s just a load of nonsense with zero substance - reads like someone who has been given a new thesaurus and is trying to act clever



      1. They are financing the increase in capacity in the Stadium - first the main , then the anny road amd all the others will be complete to give us a 70’000 stadium

      2. The new training ground



      That’s two areas that prove your statement of words as complete nonsense and fabrication

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