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It's not perfect but then of we didn't reward Henderson there would be plenty crying about that as well.

Personally I think he has earned it but if it were me in charge I wouldn't have went as long on the contract.

And the wages, bonuses and such. I'd reward him with a contract but I'll make him take a big cut monetarily.

In any case, we often hear fans who believe in a hard stance at the slightest signs of weaknesses to drive performance - bench him, sack him, nowhere near the first team.

On the other hand, we're here thinking of being sentimental, rewarding players for past performance with contracts.

Start a discussion on this and the debate will never end. I'd take a middle ground. Reward him but don't overpay and over stretch the contract. If his registration slot is better than a young player then I'll allow him to occupy the slot until another younger player is ready to be registered.

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And the wages, bonuses and such. I'd reward him with a contract but I'll make him take a big cut monetarily.

In any case, we often hear fans who believe in a hard stance at the slightest signs of weaknesses to drive performance - bench him, sack him, nowhere near the first team.

On the other hand, we're here thinking of being sentimental, rewarding players for past performance with contracts.

Start a discussion on this and the debate will never end. I'd take a middle ground. Reward him but don't overpay and over stretch the contract. If his registration slot is better than a young player then I'll allow him to occupy the slot until another younger player is ready to be registered.

Wouldn't want you as my boss 

What is the thought here on signing players until they are 35 or 36 to reward them for good years, even if it means they are declining in their ability to help the team win?

Organizations that operate within a budget and lean heavily on analytics will likely be less sentimental, unless they have problems selling tickets.

What is the thought here on signing players until they are 35 or 36 to reward them for good years, even if it means they are declining in their ability to help the team win?

You can for a select few, but you cannot carry too many of them, at least not in prominent roles. We cannot have the front 3 all be 35 or 36 as starters and expect to win titles as their abilities will inevitably have declined by then.

Teams have to strike a balance when building out a squad between rewarding for past performances and paying for future performances. Have too many with their best days behind them and you’re not going anywhere.

What is the thought here on signing players until they are 35 or 36 to reward them for good years, even if it means they are declining in their ability to help the team win?

Think it was Graham Taylor who once asked Sir Bob why he had sold a certain player who was considered to be top quality. Bob said, you only see him on match days, I see him in training all week.
If a players legs are going, let them go in someone else’s team.
That’s why the turnover of players without sentiment, kept us at the top for so long.
So no, as heartless as it seems, once they start to lose it, move them on, regardless of what they gave previously.
That’s the only way to maintain success.
Can’t afford  to carry anyone, no matter who they are !

Organizations that operate within a budget and lean heavily on analytics will likely be less sentimental, unless they have problems selling tickets.

Rather think economic issues would massively override any sentimental concerns.

Think it was Graham Taylor who once asked Sir Bob why he had sold a certain player who was considered to be top quality. Bob said, you only see him on match days, I see him in training all week.
If a players legs are going, let them go in someone else’s team.
That’s why the turnover of players without sentiment, kept us at the top for so long.
So no, as heartless as it seems, once they start to lose it, move them on, regardless of what they gave previously.
That’s the only way to maintain success.
Can’t afford  to carry anyone, no matter who they are !

So nobody online called Sir Bob out for being heartless and disloyal?

Agree totally with this, but the way people here go on about renewing contracts of people in their 30s,  you'd think no Liverpool player ever ages. It's just reality.

Not everybody drops levels at the same age, but contracts should be about what a player is going to do over the duration of the deal.

So nobody online called Sir Bob out for being heartless and disloyal?

Agree totally with this, but the way people here go on about renewing contracts of people in their 30s,  you'd think no Liverpool player ever ages. It's just reality.

Not everybody drops levels at the same age, but contracts should be about what a player is going to do over the duration of the deal.

You'd also think no player ever left before FSG came along.

Liverpool and every other club are ruthless when it comes to players.
There's no room for sentiment if you want to succeed.

Of course there's different circumstances, like players on a reduced contract who are moving into coaching, but for players who are on the decline?
Yeah, sure, they can still do a job for a lower level team, and often they do a fine job because experience takes the place of legs, but that doesn't cut it at a top club.

That said, players are playing for longer these days thanks to better training, nutrition, and personal habits.
The days of going out and drinking 8 pints after training are long gone, thankfully.
They have a short window, and these days they make the most of it.

You'd also think no player ever left before FSG came along.

You'd also think we always used to have a stockpile of First Team players with at least two for every position as well.

Strongest squad of players I can remember in my lifetime really and still people aren't happy.

You'd also think we always used to have a stockpile of First Team players with at least two for every position as well.

Strongest squad of players I can remember in my lifetime really and still people aren't happy.

Yep, we've had good to strong first teams since the 60's, but rarely have we had depth, and certainly not the kind of depth we have now.

People look at city as the benchmark, but it's unrealistic.
Only PSG can compete with them.
And neither have won the CL.

Yep, we've had good to strong first teams since the 60's, but rarely have we had depth, and certainly not the kind of depth we have now.

People look at city as the benchmark, but it's unrealistic.
Only PSG can compete with them.
And neither have won the CL.

I don't really think City's depth is that big of a deal. Not too many players on their bench that I really am too fussed about.

I don't really think City's depth is that big of a deal. Not too many players on their bench that I really am too fussed about.

I said similar the other day in a chat with Keith.

They've spent a lot of money but still have a lot of players I look at and wouldn't think I'd be dying to have them here.

I don't really think City's depth is that big of a deal. Not too many players on their bench that I really am too fussed about.

I said similar the other day in a chat with Keith.

They've spent a lot of money but still have a lot of players I look at and wouldn't think I'd be dying to have them here.

Yeahs it's definitely something we will not agree on. It's the main reason for me why they will win the league.

One thing that goes against my opinion though is that the fact there shouldn't be as many injuries ( on paper ) because we don't have to squeeze as many games in such a short space of time due to covid restrictions.

Hopefully I'm wrong and we win the league 

I said similar the other day in a chat with Keith.

They've spent a lot of money but still have a lot of players I look at and wouldn't think I'd be dying to have them here.

I think they have more gamechangers on their bench, but at the expense of defensive depth.

I don't know if you remember the AC Milan of Gullit, Van Basten etc
They basically had a Serie A side, and a European Cup side.
Of course the bubble eventually burst, and the decline began (it just took a long time), and the same will happen with the English teams spending silly money.

Meanwhile, unexciting (in a big spending way), sustainable Liverpool will continue to go from strength to strength.

Fans always demand short term fixes, usually to problems that are blown out of proportion, and don't often see the bigger, long term picture, a point addressed in depth in the book "Soccernomics".

So nobody online called Sir Bob out for being heartless and disloyal?

Agree totally with this, but the way people here go on about renewing contracts of people in their 30s,  you'd think no Liverpool player ever ages. It's just reality.

Not everybody drops levels at the same age, but contracts should be about what a player is going to do over the duration of the deal.

Totally agree every individual has to be valued on merit.  It is a balancing act.

I said similar the other day in a chat with Keith.

They've spent a lot of money but still have a lot of players I look at and wouldn't think I'd be dying to have them here.

It really only comes out from the fans who are more concerned about how many players we've signed vs. everyone else, rather than whether we actually, you know, WIN competitions.

                              “The socialism I believe in isn’t really politics.
                                It’s a way of life, it is humanity.
                               I believe the only way to live and
                               to be truly successful is by collective effort,
                               with everyone working for each other,
                               everyone helping each other, and everyone
                                Sharing the rewards at the end of the day.
                                That might be asking alot, but it’s the way I
                               See football and the way I see life.”


This was Shankly’s philosophy, and I believe it’s also Jürgen’s, take the politics part out and what you are left with is pretty much what we have right now, I would argue that there isn’t a more hard working team than ours anywhere in Europe, where truly everyone is singing from the same song sheet, where everyone from top to tail are working together, where everyone is helping each other,

City, Utd, Chavs and your PSG’s can spend all the money they want to buy their success and they may have their day in the sun, however those sunny days will be temporary, a title here a CL victory there, but a true victorious side wins consistently and that my pedigree chums is what we will achieve under Jürgen,

We only have to look at the 5+ years he’s been here to see a pattern forming, and but for Covid I am more convinced it would have been more prevalent,

1st season, 2017/18 a Europa league final, 2nd, 2018/19 Champions League won, 3rd, Premier league RU, 1 point behind City, 4th, 2019/20 premier league Winners by 25 points, UEFA super cup winners, FIFA Club World Cup winners, 5th, 20/21 finished third despite a catastrophic injury crisis……

…..we were top of the league and cruising imo towards No20 before that total car crash, but yet we still rallied to finish the strongest most consistent side in the league for the last ten games, and that was without a proper 5-6 week pre season and players on the brink of total burn out, using rookie defenders with square pegs in round holes…...But now look at us…..

We are hungry, hungrier than we were in 19/20, more experienced than we were in 19/20, we are stronger than we were in 19/20, and arguably better equipped than we were in 19/20, but for me and perhaps more importantly considering the spending power we are up against, we are more together as a unit, and as a collective effort then any of our rivals whether it be City, Chavs or Mutants, and WE WILL want it more because we missed out on a proper presentation, a proper celebration with fans and Victory parade, 30 years we had to wait for our crowning glory, only for it to be denied by f***in Covid….

Nothing of the above can guarantee success this season but, out of all those vying for the title which club would you rather be part of, who do you truly believe is better equipped and better prepared, like I said earlier the Millions spent by those around us can nor will ever replace the unity, the togetherness, the collective efforts from all levels that we have, and we will be sharing the rewards at the end of this season, I’ve never been more convinced, never been more confident.





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United, Chelsea and City have all invested this transfer window, we have bought one defender who in reality replaces Lovren, think if we don't invest I can see us in a 4 horse fight this season

United, Chelsea and City have all invested this transfer window, we have bought one defender who in reality replaces Lovren, think if we don't invest I can see us in a 4 horse fight this season

Nah just a 3 horse fight for the title - can’t see the Mancs being near it

It really only comes out from the fans who are more concerned about how many players we've signed vs. everyone else, rather than whether we actually, you know, WIN competitions.

The theory is simple Rob. You don’t win if you don’t sign well. Based on this alone, we’d be mid-table come end of the season. We’re falling behind by way of other clubs’ actions that have effectively, nothing to do with us.

One solution is to complete with them for acquisitions. We will acquire their targets solely to stop them from executing their plan A. If we make offensive acquisitions like this, that will potentially make a portion of our fans happy. However, I do not think this is practical. But it’s perfect for those who love comparing the players we’ve acquired against the the whole wide world.

Robbo from Hull for £8m? Yawn… Matip for free? Yawn… we need a VVD and Ali every year or else we’d always be behind City.

The theory is simple Rob. You don’t win if you don’t sign well. Based on this alone, we’d be mid-table come end of the season. We’re falling behind by way of other clubs’ actions that have effectively, nothing to do with us.

One solution is to complete with them for acquisitions. We will acquire their targets solely to stop them from executing their plan A. If we make offensive acquisitions like this, that will potentially make a portion of our fans happy. However, I do not think this is practical. But it’s perfect for those who love comparing the players we’ve acquired against the the whole wide world.

Robbo from Hull for £8m? Yawn… Matip for free? Yawn… we need a VVD and Ali every year or else we’d always be behind City.

Which explains why we're ahead of them. 

United, Chelsea and City have all invested this transfer window, we have bought one defender who in reality replaces Lovren, think if we don't invest I can see us in a 4 horse fight this season

The reality is that this squad was already title winning calibre, having hit 97 and 99 points in consecutive seasons before the weirdness of the last 18 months. The squad didn't need wholesale changes, rather just a couple of key additions in certain positions.

The key changes since the title winning side have been to swap Wijnaldum for Thiago, Lovren for Konate, and adding Tsimikas and Jota to add more depth. I don't think many would argue that the squad isn't stronger now than 18 months ago as a result of those changes.

I think we have a decent enough squad, to be up there with the front runners, bar injuries !