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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      Reply #29475: Nov 17, 2021 03:21:52 pm
      you clearly dont care what happens to the club in the future when two cowboys turn up with a 3 day loan that then gets transferred to the club with interest payments equivalent to buying a Mo every season. Try thinking about what happens next

      I’m not sure how my post showed that I don’t care what happens next 🤷‍♂️


      But everything you describe above is what happened when the club was sold to H&G


      What can someone do about who owners sell the club to and what they do when it’s sold ? Nothing


      They could sell the club to a multi bullionare who then decides not just keep taking money out of the club - aka Ashley at Newcastle


      There won’t be much the fans can do about that
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      Reply #29476: Nov 17, 2021 03:23:21 pm
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      The Pittsburgh Penguins hockey team is in talks to be sold to Fenway Sports Group, owner of the Boston Red Sox, people familiar with the matter say


      Wonder if that's where the Redbird money is going. You know, the money that was supposed to bolster LFC during Covid.


      The only people that said where the Redbird money was going was the media - it was nothing but speculation at the end of the day.
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      Reply #29477: Nov 17, 2021 03:40:11 pm

      The only people that said where the Redbird money was going was the media - it was nothing but speculation at the end of the day.

      True, why would be silly enough to think that money would be of benefit to the club.
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      Reply #29478: Nov 17, 2021 03:43:00 pm
      True, why would be silly enough to think that money would be of benefit to the club.

      The money was to FSG for buying a part of their company - so would seem standard that they either give the money out to the share holders or use the money to expand their portfolio.
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      Reply #29479: Nov 17, 2021 04:26:33 pm

      That never lasted long  ;D
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      Reply #29480: Nov 17, 2021 05:08:55 pm
      The money was to FSG for buying a part of their company - so would seem standard that they either give the money out to the share holders or use the money to expand their portfolio.

      people on here not all but many find your swift responses to every post about FSG quite telling. You defend everything about them but the man I mentioned earlier Bill Shankly would not give them the time of day. He was an honest man a decent man, he would be just baffled at how the club he and his team built from nothing other than a distant history ended up a billionaires plaything to do with as they see fit.
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      Reply #29481: Nov 17, 2021 06:13:08 pm
      people on here not all but many find your swift responses to every post about FSG quite telling.



      Sorry I’m not sure what the protocol is when responding to posts ? Is there a specific time lime

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      You defend everything about them


      I’m sorry but I’m sure I recall walking out of the game at protest of the ticket prices and certainly wasn’t impressed in regards the super league.


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      but the man I mentioned earlier Bill Shankly would not give them the time of day. He was an honest man a decent man, he would be just baffled at how the club he and his team built from nothing


      Let’s be honest here - the game is hugely different to what the game was when Shanks was in charge - it’s a huge commercial business now and I very much doubt Shanks would like anything about the modern game and have anything to do with any modern owners - could you see him being impressed with the oil Billionares - would that sit in with his socialist views ?


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      other than a distant history ended up a billionaires plaything to do with as they see fit.

      I don’t understand the idea they see the club as a plaything ? The club stands on its own financially as a club and day to day run is left to the club with little input from FSG -some are critical of that yet you think they see the club as a plaything ? Surely that’s the sort of thing the oil Billionaires do ?

      If you said they see the club as an asset in their sports portfolio then that’s understandable because that’s no doubt what they see

      So what sort of owners do you want ?

      Right now within the Premiership - it’s dominated by very rich people owning clubs for their gains - whether that be financially or in some ego thing

      I don’t believe there are the “perfect” owner who “love the club” and then also spend their own money out of “love” for the club - it’s just not possible in modern football
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      Reply #29482: Nov 17, 2021 06:45:09 pm
      Again, I'm sorry that I'm not going to pat FSG on the back for hiring someone widely considered the best coach (available or otherwise for some) in world football, 

      He might be considered that now but he wasn't when he left Dortmund ... highly thought of, yes, but when he joined us he was a long way off that status
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      Reply #29483: Nov 17, 2021 06:47:02 pm
      No they shouldn't be irresponsible with the club's finances, but they are so far from that right now, all people want is a little ambition, that's it. Now if you want to argue whether we've been ambitious, have at it......but don't try and tell me FSG aren't in it for the money because every move they make shows that they are.

      Again ... second highest wages in the league - we pay our players more than Chelsea, more that United ... and you're asking for "a little ambition"?
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      Reply #29484: Nov 17, 2021 06:48:26 pm
      He might be considered that now but he wasn't when he left Dortmund ... highly thought of, yes, but when he joined us he was a long way off that status


      That's not true at all. He was the hottest name in World Football, hence why Man United wanted him as well. Stop kidding yourself.
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      Reply #29485: Nov 17, 2021 06:49:08 pm
      Again ... second highest wages in the league - we pay our players more than Chelsea, more that United ... and you're asking for "a little ambition"?

      You mean 4th....

      https://www.spotrac.com/epl/payroll/
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      Reply #29486: Nov 17, 2021 06:54:18 pm

      I'll bite.

      I want FSG without the ticket price hikes, the trademark crap, the Super League and the furloughs. They've been good at developing the commercial side of the game, but they seem to be out of touch with the supporters and the city and football in general. I also would like them to occasionally at least consider the idea of bringing in a generational footballer not by trying to guess and getting them before they are identified, but getting them after everyone else in the world knows it too.

      We can take the piss out of teams like Real Madrid all we want, but they sure have a lot of hardware that came because they were willing to go and get the best talent that was available. I don't want us to be Madrid and I don't even want us to always be in the conversation for one of these type of players, but occasionally might be nice. I don't really want an oil baron or a nation state owning us. But I don't really like who we have either so for me somewhere in between if you could get that for me.
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      Reply #29487: Nov 17, 2021 06:58:01 pm
      Sorry I’m not sure what the protocol is when responding to posts ? Is there a specific time lime

      I’m sorry but I’m sure I recall walking out of the game at protest of the ticket prices and certainly wasn’t impressed in regards the super league.


      Let’s be honest here - the game is hugely different to what the game was when Shanks was in charge - it’s a huge commercial business now and I very much doubt Shanks would like anything about the modern game and have anything to do with any modern owners - could you see him being impressed with the oil Billionares - would that sit in with his socialist views ?


      I don’t understand the idea they see the club as a plaything ? The club stands on its own financially as a club and day to day run is left to the club with little input from FSG -some are critical of that yet you think they see the club as a plaything ? Surely that’s the sort of thing the oil Billionaires do ?

      If you said they see the club as an asset in their sports portfolio then that’s understandable because that’s no doubt what they see

      So what sort of owners do you want ?

      Right now within the Premiership - it’s dominated by very rich people owning clubs for their gains - whether that be financially or in some ego thing

      I don’t believe there are the “perfect” owner who “love the club” and then also spend their own money out of “love” for the club - it’s just not possible in modern football

      yep definitely an FSG acolyte.
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      Reply #29488: Nov 17, 2021 07:02:13 pm
      Over £80mil less than UTD but the City figures look suspect with only 22 players listed against our 27
      Another list shows City has 66 players registered so how much can you rely on City's figures
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      Reply #29489: Nov 17, 2021 07:08:32 pm
      I'll bite.

      I want FSG without the ticket price hikes, the trademark crap, the Super League and the furloughs. They've been good at developing the commercial side of the game, but they seem to be out of touch with the supporters and the city and football in general. I also would like them to occasionally at least consider the idea of bringing in a generational footballer not by trying to guess and getting them before they are identified, but getting them after everyone else in the world knows it too.

      We can take the piss out of teams like Real Madrid all we want, but they sure have a lot of hardware that came because they were willing to go and get the best talent that was available. I don't want us to be Madrid and I don't even want us to always be in the conversation for one of these type of players, but occasionally might be nice. I don't really want an oil baron or a nation state owning us. But I don't really like who we have either so for me somewhere in between if you could get that for me.

      In regards Madrid they are able to get these “galactico’s” because of the financing from local government- but also they spent beyond their means hence why Perez was desperate for the Super League to help them pay for the “best talent”


      I think we would all love a “generational talent” - but I don’t think the club have ever gone out there and bought - in fact it’s hard to recall if any of those players arrived in the Prem - the likes of Zidane , Kaka , Ronaldo at their prime wouldn’t come near the Prem

      One of the biggest hurdles faced by the clubs - wages. Look at what Haaland or his agent was demanding , wages and fees beyond what the clubs in the Prem will pay - Mbappe will prob earn near £1mil a week onto of signing on fees etc - we won’t go anywhere near that. I’m sure the club would love to sign one of these generational talents but it’s just not going to happen


      You don’t want a oil baron or state owned , but don’t want a club self sustaining and owned by a company ? I’m not sure what there is left within the football world that would look to buy a top club 🤷‍♂️
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      You don’t want a oil baron or state owned , but don’t want a club self sustaining and owned by a company ? I’m not sure what there is left within the football world that would look to buy a top club 🤷‍♂️

      There's always Elon and Bezos we could ask if they're interested?
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      Reply #29491: Nov 17, 2021 09:45:53 pm
      In regards Madrid they are able to get these “galactico’s” because of the financing from local government- but also they spent beyond their means hence why Perez was desperate for the Super League to help them pay for the “best talent”


      I think we would all love a “generational talent” - but I don’t think the club have ever gone out there and bought - in fact it’s hard to recall if any of those players arrived in the Prem - the likes of Zidane , Kaka , Ronaldo at their prime wouldn’t come near the Prem

      One of the biggest hurdles faced by the clubs - wages. Look at what Haaland or his agent was demanding , wages and fees beyond what the clubs in the Prem will pay - Mbappe will prob earn near £1mil a week onto of signing on fees etc - we won’t go anywhere near that. I’m sure the club would love to sign one of these generational talents but it’s just not going to happen


      You don’t want a oil baron or state owned , but don’t want a club self sustaining and owned by a company ? I’m not sure what there is left within the football world that would look to buy a top club 🤷‍♂️

      And therein lies why you take so much flak, I gave my honest opinion about the situation going so far as to point out that I don’t think FSG are all bad and that everything isn’t black and white and yet your M.O. is still to tell my why I’m wrong to have the opinion that I do.

      I’ve come to realize why I had you on ignore for the last year. You aren’t interested in discussion, you just want debate and no matter what they do you will always be in FSG’s corner. Wow you walked out in protest of ticket prices. That’s literally the least of the stupid things they’ve done. Where were you decrying all the other ones?
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      Reply #29492: Nov 17, 2021 10:14:03 pm
      And therein lies why you take so much flak, I gave my honest opinion about the situation going so far as to point out that I don’t think FSG are all bad and that everything isn’t black and white and yet your M.O. is still to tell my why I’m wrong to have the opinion that I do.

      I’ve come to realize why I had you on ignore for the last year. You aren’t interested in discussion, you just want debate and no matter what they do you will always be in FSG’s corner. Wow you walked out in protest of ticket prices. That’s literally the least of the stupid things they’ve done. Where were you decrying all the other ones?

      I don’t think anywhere in my post have I stated you’re wrong 🤷‍♂️


      Isnt a debate a discussion? You answered a post I made to someone else so then I answered your post ?


      And as for the ticket prices and walking out ?! Are you serious !! It was the one thing we could physically do - I spend my hard earned on my tickets and we decided to walk out in protest and you dismiss it

      What did you do about the ticket prices ?


      What did you do about the the super league ? The potential furlough ?
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      Reply #29493: Nov 18, 2021 09:33:06 am
      And therein lies why you take so much flak, I gave my honest opinion about the situation going so far as to point out that I don’t think FSG are all bad and that everything isn’t black and white and yet your M.O. is still to tell my why I’m wrong to have the opinion that I do.

      I’ve come to realize why I had you on ignore for the last year. You aren’t interested in discussion, you just want debate and no matter what they do you will always be in FSG’s corner. Wow you walked out in protest of ticket prices. That’s literally the least of the stupid things they’ve done. Where were you decrying all the other ones?

      Not that you'll give a Fcuk but your opinion is the same reason why I put him on ignore. #justsayin
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      Reply #29494: Nov 18, 2021 07:14:26 pm

      However the flip side is the Salah point, not to the point I actually don’t think it won’t be sorted but if it is, and I hope it is obviously, but the only way we revitalise this squad is by selling a big hitter, the evidence is there so isn’t debatable, so who goes to finance that? Because it won’t be done on a 20m yearly transfer spend, but the real sellable assets are getting older, unless one is sold this upcoming summer you have to wonder about the regeneration of this squad


      We have a strong core group of players, and an incredible manager who can get the most out of the squad that's available. But even though we are doing well so far this season, that doesn't mean that the recent lack of investment in new blood still won't hurt us this season, or longer term.
      Agree though that unfortunately it'll likely take another Coutinho type player sale(s) to bring in the sort of money needed to fund continued competitiveness with the likes of Man City and Chelsea.
      In saying that, we didn't break the bank bringing in the likes of Robbo, Matip, Gini, players that can make a real difference to the team, and yet we still didn't try and go an extra - not even a full mile - half mile, in the summer to freshen things up a little.
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      Reply #29495: Nov 18, 2021 07:21:41 pm
      That's not true at all. He was the hottest name in World Football, hence why Man United wanted him as well. Stop kidding yourself.

      Agreed, one of the top/best managers in the world at the time. Top of most peoples wanted list.
      And he's even gone up a few notchs even since then after what he's done with us.
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      Reply #29496: Nov 18, 2021 07:36:35 pm
      We have a strong core group of players, and an incredible manager who can get the most out of the squad that's available. But even though we are doing well so far this season, that doesn't mean that the recent lack of investment in new blood still won't hurt us this season, or longer term.
      Agree though that unfortunately it'll likely take another Coutinho type player sale(s) to bring in the sort of money needed to fund continued competitiveness with the likes of Man City and Chelsea.
      In saying that, we didn't break the bank bringing in the likes of Robbo, Matip, Gini, players that can make a real difference to the team, and yet we still didn't try and go an extra - not even a full mile - half mile, in the summer to freshen things up a little.

      How do you know this ?
      Could it not be, the players Jürgen has shown interest in are not available 🤷‍♂️
      I’m sure you realise that buying to cover what you may think are weak spots in the squad, is not just a case of seeing someone suitable, and bang, go get em !
      I keep seeing, we should have replaced so and so, we should have cover for him, etc etc. No point having cover that weakens your side, and we have such a strong starting eleven, they take some covering.
      Top players on a good run with their current clubs are not always open to a move, and many are just priced so high, there’s only 3 or 4 clubs who could afford them.
      And that doesn’t include us 🤷‍♂️
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      Reply #29497: Nov 18, 2021 07:53:27 pm
      Top players on a good run with their current clubs are not always open to a move, and many are just priced so high, there’s only 3 or 4 clubs who could afford them.
      And that doesn’t include us 🤷‍♂️

      I think that's literally the entire point....
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      Reply #29498: Nov 18, 2021 08:06:39 pm
      How do you know this ?
      Could it not be, the players Jürgen has shown interest in are not available 🤷‍♂️
      I’m sure you realise that buying to cover what you may think are weak spots in the squad, is not just a case of seeing someone suitable, and bang, go get em !
      I keep seeing, we should have replaced so and so, we should have cover for him, etc etc. No point having cover that weakens your side, and we have such a strong starting eleven, they take some covering.
      Top players on a good run with their current clubs are not always open to a move, and many are just priced so high, there’s only 3 or 4 clubs who could afford them.
      And that doesn’t include us 🤷‍♂️

      Jürgen has pretty much said when asked that the money wasn't there to spend.
      Over the summer I'm guessing there were players out there that could improve our team that Jürgen and staff might have been interested in.
      But yes, maybe he decided nobody was right. Or, maybe he just didn't have the money to spend.
      Depends which do you think is most likely.
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      Reply #29499: Nov 18, 2021 08:20:12 pm
      Klopp is always very clear when it comes to transfers
      https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2021/sep/11/jurgen-klopp-happy-for-liverpool-to-stay-out-of-transfer-market-circus


      “ We thought it made sense that we sign up our squad that we have,” Klopp said. “That is not as spectacular as all the rest around. I cannot change that because you cannot do transfer business just to be in a circus.”


      “ “That’s completely fine, we knew it and we will deal with it,” he said. “People are now saying: ‘You have to sign two strikers of the same quality of Sadio and Mo.’ That cannot be the solution because we cannot do that.”

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