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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #30350: Jan 14, 2022 10:05:47 pm
      I understand where people are coming from in terms of comparing where we are now with 2010 -- there simply is no comparison.

      Equally when you reach the summit you'd like to think we might stay there for a bit and two seasons on the bounce where we are effectively out of the title race barring some unprecedented turnaround is not really good enough.

      It is not all on the owners obviously but I think a bit more investment at the right times could have changed this.

      I think it’s very telling that the two seasons are the ones we’re pressure and prob expectations have been at their highest mainly because of the seasons before - last season is imo an anomaly, injury’s ruined the season .

      This season still has a lot going for it albeit we need to turn around form soon


      As for investment- it’s at the level it has been because of the model the club use and the situation we have seen over last 24 months with the pandemic-


      Whether the model is right or wrong , or that the club should look to move in a different financial direction would be the debate - the club right now is being run exactly how they said they would run it when they bought the club - and in that period until now we are a far superior club now both on and off the field

      The next 2 years are the key , can’t hide behind pandemic etc - got to show that the model they use can continue to move the club forward
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      Reply #30351: Jan 14, 2022 10:16:42 pm
      It’s also worth noting that Klopp is managing in a era when you are facing a club like City

      To beat City and the riches they have means either going toe to toe financially or being perfect in everything else from recruitment to games on the pitch

      You can’t do it but take City out and we would have another league in the bag and right there now


      We're not asking FSG to go toe to toe financially though. Just invest more than they have in the last two windows which anyone surely has to admin it very little [and am also not including this Jan window, which is btw still open if they are so inclined].

      Citeh haven't appeared out of nowhere. When you start a season, if you finish ahead of them, you likely win the league. Jürgen has a massive job to try and finish ahead of them. They are the benchmark. No point in comparing ourselves to Manure or Arse or anyone else in the league - we need to look at just Citeh and Chavs and ask, do we have the squad to compete with them.  That's it.  That's all I look at, not at FSGs accounts.

      Jürgen is brilliant. And has generally made the very most of investment made available to him.
      Just find it frustrating that he hasn't been more to work with recently.
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      Reply #30352: Jan 14, 2022 10:22:24 pm
      I understand where people are coming from in terms of comparing where we are now with 2010 -- there simply is no comparison.

      Equally when you reach the summit you'd like to think we might stay there for a bit and two seasons on the bounce where we are effectively out of the title race barring some unprecedented turnaround is not really good enough.

      It is not all on the owners obviously but I think a bit more investment at the right times could have changed this.

      We're not mathematically out of the title race, but there's a large hill to climb.  You never know I guess, but it's Citehs to loose.

      And we're still in the CL and domestic cups. So it's not all bad, not at all.

      But yes, after a 30 year gap, after winning the PL once, you'd like to think you could add one or two more.

      I think the owners have done a really good job in general. Winning the PL for me is the holy grail :)   Just think they've let us, and the manager. down recently investment wise.
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      Reply #30353: Jan 14, 2022 10:27:18 pm
      We're not asking FSG to go toe to toe financially though. Just invest more than they have in the last two windows which anyone surely has to admin it very little [and am also not including this Jan window, which is btw still open if they are so inclined].

      Citeh haven't appeared out of nowhere. When you start a season, if you finish ahead of them, you likely win the league. Jürgen has a massive job to try and finish ahead of them. They are the benchmark. No point in comparing ourselves to Manure or Arse or anyone else in the league - we need to look at just Citeh and Chavs and ask, do we have the squad to compete with them.  That's it.  That's all I look at, not at FSGs accounts.

      Jürgen is brilliant. And has generally made the very most of investment made available to him.
      Just find it frustrating that he hasn't been more to work with recently.

      This is the confusing part

      People say they aren’t asking for City type backing - fair enough

      But then go on to compare the squads where one squad has been built up with that level of backing

      To get to City squad has cost a £1bn with no fears of what players leave


      Even then we have been competing with them

      And also this new way that people no longer look at signings over a season - it’s signings over each window


      The last two seasons we have bought 4 quality players - but people will just highlight windows so the stat reads 1 player over 3 windows
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      Reply #30354: Jan 14, 2022 10:28:56 pm
      we need to look at just Citeh and Chavs and ask, do we have the squad to compete with them.  That's it.

      We do though don't we?

      We've been competing with them over the last 4/5 seasons and won silverware and only last season where we really blown away and that's due to the impact of Covid more than anything.
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      Reply #30355: Jan 14, 2022 10:40:12 pm

      Elliott was a winger. So he was played out of position. The reason he was played out of position was because the club didn’t replace gini. It’s literally that simple.

      And Curtis Jones isn’t good enough. The same way neco isn’t. The same way Morton isn’t. Yet we’re relying on the likes of them for cover. And again, I’ll bet you a thousand pounds not one of those three will have a long career with us where they play regularly, say 25 times a season? 


      Agree on the Elliot point.

      Just two cents on the others...

      Curtis had 24 PL appearances last season, and think has improved since he came on the scene, works a lot harder than he used to, retains possession better. Whether he'll ever be a regular first XI starter, not sure, but think he is one of our better squad players right now and maybe should even be starting games. Like, if was moving guys on, personally would move on AOC, Taki, Milly, Keita etc before him. A lot wouldn't agree maybe though.

      Neco, not sure, still a bit raw looking, can do a job though and was better than TAA last game when he came on. Game needs to mature though.
      Morton, still very young.

      But yea, we don't have a Stevie G though coming through though, a young player who already looks like a superstar.
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      Reply #30356: Jan 14, 2022 10:42:29 pm

      The last two seasons we have bought 4 quality players - but people will just highlight windows so the stat reads 1 player over 3 windows

      Don't think 1 player [backup CB] in 3 windows is good enough if you are trying to overturn Citeh.
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      Reply #30357: Jan 14, 2022 10:45:13 pm
      Don't think 1 player [backup CB] in 3 windows is good enough if you are trying to overturn Citeh.

      Good job we've signed a few more than that I'm the last three windows then  ;)
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      Reply #30358: Jan 14, 2022 10:49:17 pm
      We do though don't we?

      We've been competing with them over the last 4/5 seasons and won silverware and only last season where we really blown away and that's due to the impact of Covid more than anything.

      Not sure what covid did to us last season. We certainly had a bad run of injuries. And ended up scraping into the CL places.
      We're struggling a bit in the PL again this year.
      We're not miles off. And have a great manager.  Give him more resources.
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      Reply #30359: Jan 14, 2022 10:50:20 pm
      Good job we've signed a few more than that I'm the last three windows then  ;)

      Well, assuming we don't sign anyone meaningful this Jan, again.  Thats the 3 windows.  Hope they prove us all wrong though
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      Reply #30360: Jan 14, 2022 10:51:54 pm
      Well, assuming we don't sign anyone meaningful this Jan, again.  Thats the 3 windows.  Hope they prove us all wrong though

      Ah, I had a feeling you might be counting the one that's only just opened.

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      Reply #30361: Jan 14, 2022 11:04:22 pm
      Don't think 1 player [backup CB] in 3 windows is good enough if you are trying to overturn Citeh.

      That’s exactly my point - it’s 4 players in the last 18 months that have been signed - since we won the league

      The same period City have signed the same amount and even one of them has left
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      Reply #30362: Jan 14, 2022 11:45:31 pm

      Anfield Watch…. Also known as Oliver Bond who has done work with the rag. Also been called out by Robbo and I think Virgil too for posting made up crap about them.

      Consider your sources Shabs…
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      Reply #30363: Jan 14, 2022 11:53:37 pm
      Anfield Watch…. Also known as Oliver Bond who has done work with the rag. Also been called out by Robbo and I think Virgil too for posting made up crap about them.

      Consider your sources Shabs…

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      Removed article mate.. thanks for the heads up.

      https://twitter.com/jamespearcelfc/status/1481944702152843267?s=21
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      Reply #30364: Jan 16, 2022 01:00:27 pm
      who remembers when FFP was going to level the playing field?

      What Klopp has done is a miracle.

      we have to be grateful we got the monkey off our back.
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      Reply #30365: Jan 16, 2022 05:04:41 pm
      To show how toxic the Twitterati is


      Read the replies to the owners wife


      https://twitter.com/linda_pizzuti/status/1482746073093484548?s=21
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      Reply #30366: Jan 16, 2022 05:15:21 pm
      This is the confusing part

      People say they aren’t asking for City type backing - fair enough

      But then go on to compare the squads where one squad has been built up with that level of backing

      To get to City squad has cost a £1bn with no fears of what players leave


      Even then we have been competing with them

      And also this new way that people no longer look at signings over a season - it’s signings over each window


      The last two seasons we have bought 4 quality players - but people will just highlight windows so the stat reads 1 player over 3 windows

      Yep agree with this, and also there seems to be this prevailing assumption that FSG and Klopp operate separate to each other - they are part of the same team and work together. Klopp sees himself as a coach first and foremost and is far happier developing players rather than trying to use the transfer market to 'fix' issues within the team.

      Having said that, I do think we will be signing players this summer ... not in the same vein as the likes of Sancho / Grealish (ie players who are seen to already be at their peak and will cost huge amounts of money) ... players of the same mould as Elliott and Konate - who have talent but still need developing. This model works for the club finanically but it also works for Klopp, which is why FSG and Klopp work so well together
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      Reply #30367: Jan 16, 2022 05:16:24 pm

      Maybe I didn’t see them as I didn’t read loads but it’s mostly just people saying open the chequebook and sign someone? Nothing offensive or out of line. Assuming I just didn’t see the replies you’re referring to.
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      Reply #30368: Jan 16, 2022 05:18:35 pm

      Some of those comments are embarrassing ... and we wonder why we're the most disliked set of fans in the country
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      Reply #30369: Jan 16, 2022 05:28:02 pm

      The usual armchair cry-arsing and arse-kissing brigade in one thread!!
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      Reply #30370: Jan 16, 2022 05:30:33 pm
      Some of those comments are embarrassing ... and we wonder why we're the most disliked set of fans in the country

      We're the most disliked, cos we're the most successful, f**k all reason else, those wankers are just the hangers-on making tits of themselves.

      I don't want to be liked by the rest of the country anyway.
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      Reply #30371: Jan 16, 2022 05:34:15 pm
      We're the most disliked, cos we're the most successful, f**k all reason else, those wankers are just the hangers=on making tits of themselves.

      I don't want to be liked by the rest of the country anyway.

      I think there's more to it (we're not the most successful btw) ... but agree it isn't something to aspire to by any means
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      Reply #30372: Jan 16, 2022 05:35:46 pm
      I think there's more to it (we're not the most successful btw) ... but agree it isn't something to aspire to by any means

      We are lad, two major trophies ahead of the manc cu*ts now, makes us most successful team in the country.

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      Reply #30373: Jan 16, 2022 05:49:35 pm

      I think there's more to it (we're not the most successful btw) ... but agree it isn't something to aspire to by any means

      Take for comparison these smug North London f**king dickheads.

      It's not the fanbase per se, just brainless f**king tw*ts on twitter.

      https://twitter.com/Lacazest/status/1482070385650774022
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      Reply #30374: Jan 16, 2022 05:51:21 pm
      Take for comparison these smug North London f**king dickheads.

      It's not the fanbase per se, just brainless f**king tw*ts on twitter.

      https://twitter.com/Lacazest/status/1482070385650774022


      Yep.

      I love Twitter and hate it in equal measure.

      So many dickheads talking sh*te about football.

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