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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      stuey
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #30544: Aug 13, 2022 08:35:58 pm
      Ain't that the truth.

      22/23....Departures Ā£72m...Arrivals...Ā£77m..

      say what we like  about  FSG they are pretty savvy on the financial side.

      No worries on that score they are market players after all!
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      Reply #30545: Aug 13, 2022 09:09:43 pm
      No worries on that score they are market players after all!

      Ain't that the truth..

      Bought for Ā£300m odd...current worth about in excess of Ā£3 billion. (Chelsea went for a reported $3.2 B)

      Probably the best investment they've ever completed..by a country mile.
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      Reply #30546: Aug 14, 2022 12:07:59 am
      They bought the Red Sox for $380 million and their current estimated value is $3.9b, so it is pretty safe to say that sports franchises have been a solid investment for them. 
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      Reply #30547: Aug 14, 2022 10:51:54 am
      Keep on seeing that bonehead pop up online. Seems to get a mention in a lot of places.

      Such a blert.

      I was following, but stopped recently. Posting too much crap
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #30548: Aug 14, 2022 07:09:42 pm
      The v cb luv is run like a business, as thatā€™s what itā€™s become.
      Iā€™m glad to say itā€™s also become one of the best run and most profitable businesses in the country.
      Even though itā€™s roots are in the USA.
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      Reply #30549: Aug 15, 2022 09:59:53 pm
      Spend some damn money FSG  and rebuild our midfield -.-
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      Reply #30550: Aug 16, 2022 08:53:57 am
      Blame can't just sit with the owners, the transfer commitee like Ward/Edwards, Klopp etc get hailed when a signing happens but when a signing doesn't happen it's the owners fault.


      Ultimately, the way I see it is stubborness and too much loyalty to certain players at the expense of further success. The amount of players we lose on a free transfer over the years when it's quite clear they will leave at the end of their contract is a bit daft (we can add Ox and potentially Keita into that list next summer, combined purchases of over Ā£80mill), when those players could be sold, get something for them and put the funds towards a replacement.

      Our midfield last season was injury prone and inconsistent. Klopp said that we have plenty of players for the midfield so we can't just go adding more numbers to it. But if you look at the midfield;

      Ox - Always injured, plays very little part when he isn't injured and when he does play he fails to step up and deliver
      Keita - Often injured, failed to live up to the expectation, doesn't get trusted in the big games more often than not
      Thiago - Our best midfielder, a truly world class player but lucky if he isn't injured after a handful of games
      Hendo - Can't fault his availability and effort but for every game he's boss, he has a game where he's ineffective and spends more time barking at players
      Milner - Near the end of his career and now at the stage where he's better coming on in games rather than starting games
      Fab - A misconception about his injuries but over the last year he's been inconsistent and has made a very poor start to this season
      Jones - Young player who is struggling to make any sort of impact. Often picking up odd injuries
      Elliott - A young player still breaking through, not even a natural midfielder and on the back of a horrific injury
      Carvalho - Same as Elliott minus the injury

      We done great last season, no doubt about it, but if we had a better midfield last year then IMO we would have won the lot.

      2 years ago we were top at Xmas despite having countless injuries. Come January, we should've been ready to bring in a player of first team quality and built on what we had. Konate I think will be a great player but waiting until the summer for him ruined our title hopes that year. We were getting more and more injuries and our way to finally take action when results had spiralled and we were losing game after game was to loan Kabak and sign Davies on deadline day. Kabak was neither here nor there really, clearly not quite up to it and too slow. Davies was just a complete waste of everyones time.

      Nothing wrong with showing loyalty to your players but we put far too much faith in players that are either injury prone or failed to deliver and once again it's costing us. We have injury after injury and history is repeating itself from 2 years ago. We are an injury away from playing Fab or Hendo at CB again the way things are going.

      The glaringly obvious weakeness in our team is the midfield and it's been that way for a couple of years now. We need a midfielder who will influence games in the way KDB does for City. I'm not saying we will find a player as good as that, KDB is one of the best in the world and arguably the best player in the Premier League, but it seems like we would rather wait yet another season because if the reports are to be believed, it's either Bellingham or nobody and Bellingham isn't available this season.

      Maybe I'm being knee-jerk after a couple of bad results to start the season but already being 4 points behind City is far from ideal because they will drop few points over the course of the season. Vulnerable midfield, conceded the opening goal in 8 of the last 10 games and once again dropping points in games that should be won and at the moment it seems as though nobody really knows how to fix it other than to ride it out and wait however long for injured players to return.

      But yeah like I said, maybe just knee-jerk after a start to the season none of us expected.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #30551: Aug 16, 2022 04:29:40 pm
      Spend some damn money FSG  and rebuild our midfield -.-

      They have done fella.
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      Reply #30552: Aug 16, 2022 04:58:59 pm

      Apart from the initial Ā£60m on top of the buy out monies FSG have only loaned LFC the monies for various projects, essentially bricks and mortar which is money in the bank for the company.
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      Reply #30553: Aug 16, 2022 08:31:49 pm
      Iā€™m guessing this came back alive because we drew two games 😂
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      Reply #30554: Aug 16, 2022 08:36:06 pm
      Iā€™m guessing this came back alive because we drew two games 😂

      Well it brought you out of the woodwork  :lmao: Hows things, hope your well.
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      Reply #30555: Aug 16, 2022 08:36:47 pm
      Well it brought you out of the woodwork  :lmao: Hows things, hope your well.

      All good - been a busy summer but was back for the match last night. Was amazed to see this thread come alive again , and the same old nonsense
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      Reply #30556: Aug 16, 2022 08:41:00 pm
      Blame can't just sit with the owners, the transfer commitee like Ward/Edwards, Klopp etc get hailed when a signing happens but when a signing doesn't happen it's the owners fault.


      Ultimately, the way I see it is stubborness and too much loyalty to certain players at the expense of further success. The amount of players we lose on a free transfer over the years when it's quite clear they will leave at the end of their contract is a bit daft (we can add Ox and potentially Keita into that list next summer, combined purchases of over Ā£80mill), when those players could be sold, get something for them and put the funds towards a replacement.

      Our midfield last season was injury prone and inconsistent. Klopp said that we have plenty of players for the midfield so we can't just go adding more numbers to it. But if you look at the midfield;

      Ox - Always injured, plays very little part when he isn't injured and when he does play he fails to step up and deliver
      Keita - Often injured, failed to live up to the expectation, doesn't get trusted in the big games more often than not
      Thiago - Our best midfielder, a truly world class player but lucky if he isn't injured after a handful of games
      Hendo - Can't fault his availability and effort but for every game he's boss, he has a game where he's ineffective and spends more time barking at players
      Milner - Near the end of his career and now at the stage where he's better coming on in games rather than starting games
      Fab - A misconception about his injuries but over the last year he's been inconsistent and has made a very poor start to this season
      Jones - Young player who is struggling to make any sort of impact. Often picking up odd injuries
      Elliott - A young player still breaking through, not even a natural midfielder and on the back of a horrific injury
      Carvalho - Same as Elliott minus the injury

      We done great last season, no doubt about it, but if we had a better midfield last year then IMO we would have won the lot.

      2 years ago we were top at Xmas despite having countless injuries. Come January, we should've been ready to bring in a player of first team quality and built on what we had. Konate I think will be a great player but waiting until the summer for him ruined our title hopes that year. We were getting more and more injuries and our way to finally take action when results had spiralled and we were losing game after game was to loan Kabak and sign Davies on deadline day. Kabak was neither here nor there really, clearly not quite up to it and too slow. Davies was just a complete waste of everyones time.

      Nothing wrong with showing loyalty to your players but we put far too much faith in players that are either injury prone or failed to deliver and once again it's costing us. We have injury after injury and history is repeating itself from 2 years ago. We are an injury away from playing Fab or Hendo at CB again the way things are going.

      The glaringly obvious weakeness in our team is the midfield and it's been that way for a couple of years now. We need a midfielder who will influence games in the way KDB does for City. I'm not saying we will find a player as good as that, KDB is one of the best in the world and arguably the best player in the Premier League, but it seems like we would rather wait yet another season because if the reports are to be believed, it's either Bellingham or nobody and Bellingham isn't available this season.

      Maybe I'm being knee-jerk after a couple of bad results to start the season but already being 4 points behind City is far from ideal because they will drop few points over the course of the season. Vulnerable midfield, conceded the opening goal in 8 of the last 10 games and once again dropping points in games that should be won and at the moment it seems as though nobody really knows how to fix it other than to ride it out and wait however long for injured players to return.

      But yeah like I said, maybe just knee-jerk after a start to the season none of us expected.

      The one thing we have learned over the last 5 years is they donā€™t go for second choices , if Bellingham is the player they want then they will wait for him , it was the same for VVD , we all wanted a player to arrive when the VVD transfer crashed in the summer but they only wanted VVD

      Klopp and the team clearly feel the midfield is good enough to give him want he wants until they get Bellingham next summer


      It is hard to trust them but history shows that we should
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      Reply #30557: Aug 16, 2022 08:42:04 pm
      All good - been a busy summer but was back for the match last night. Was amazed to see this thread come alive again , and the same old nonsense

      To be fair probably only went quite coz youā€™ve had a busy summer.  ;D Glad to see your back anyway, I may not always agree with you but enjoy reading them, especially golf  :D
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      Reply #30558: Aug 17, 2022 10:58:29 am
      FSG aren't going to change anything unless JĆ¼rgen demands something and that is not his style. They like JĆ¼rgen because he plans ahead thoughtfully and he knows knee jerk buys seldom work out and who could we buy that will change us significantly given we have been one of Europe's best teams . The break up of the front three was always going to happen and need time to adapt. Fortunately we have Jota,Diaz and Nunez alongside Mo so goals will come but new players will not
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      Reply #30559: Aug 17, 2022 01:35:51 pm
      FSG aren't going to change anything unless JĆ¼rgen demands something and that is not his style. They like JĆ¼rgen because he plans ahead thoughtfully and he knows knee jerk buys seldom work out and who could we buy that will change us significantly given we have been one of Europe's best teams . The break up of the front three was always going to happen and need time to adapt. Fortunately we have Jota,Diaz and Nunez alongside Mo so goals will come but new players will not

      A lot of us are saying there should have never have been discussions of knee jerk signings. They should have planned ahead and replaced a couple of midfielders so there would have been no need to even discuss knee jerks.

      Plus Klopp said we don't have the money but we're approx Ā£10m in the green regarding transfers
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      Reply #30560: Aug 17, 2022 01:39:47 pm
      A lot of us are saying there should have never have been discussions of knee jerk signings. They should have planned ahead and replaced a couple of midfielders so there would have been no need to even discuss knee jerks.

      who are "a Lot of us" nobody mentioned midfield until injuries. A couple of Midfielders as you call them capable of improving our squad/team would cost well in excess of Ā£100million.
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      Reply #30561: Aug 17, 2022 01:41:36 pm
      A lot of us are saying there should have never have been discussions of knee jerk signings. They should have planned ahead and replaced a couple of midfielders so there would have been no need to even discuss knee jerks.

      Plus Klopp said we don't have the money but we're approx Ā£10m in the green regarding transfers

      I don't recall Klopp ever saying we don't have the money.
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      Reply #30562: Aug 17, 2022 01:56:56 pm
      A lot of us are saying there should have never have been discussions of knee jerk signings. They should have planned ahead and replaced a couple of midfielders so there would have been no need to even discuss knee jerks.

      Plus Klopp said we don't have the money but we're approx Ā£10m in the green regarding transfers

      When did Klopp say that ?
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      Reply #30563: Aug 17, 2022 01:59:46 pm
      yea, klopp has never said we dont have money.

      He has only said we wait for the right players.
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      Reply #30564: Aug 17, 2022 02:00:43 pm
      He has said we wont spend the crazy crazy money that  it would take get the guys on the 500k a week level.
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      Reply #30565: Aug 17, 2022 02:26:16 pm
      Since a few asked my source I'll quote without directly replying to anyone.

      ā€œItā€™s easy for us to bring a midfielder in, itā€™s not so easy to bring the right midfielder in ā€“ for money reasons and contractual reasons,ā€ Klopp told Skyā€™s Emma Saunders. ā€œMost of the time they go hand in hand.
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      Reply #30566: Aug 17, 2022 02:37:02 pm
      Since a few asked my source I'll quote without directly replying to anyone.

      ā€œItā€™s easy for us to bring a midfielder in, itā€™s not so easy to bring the right midfielder in ā€“ for money reasons and contractual reasons,ā€ Klopp told Skyā€™s Emma Saunders. ā€œMost of the time they go hand in hand.

      Fair enough.

      He probably mean jude bellingham, right player, but too expensive right now and dortmund wont sell this summer anyway.

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