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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      Reply #32361: Nov 04, 2022 11:50:18 pm

      They run the Red Sox and Penguins plus their nascar team in the same way - they finance themselves and they don’t prioritise any team over any of the others


      The finances of each sport run a little bit differently but essentially it’s all the same type of club in regards self sufficiency

      Presumed that would be the case. Are those teams successful / been competing each year?

      What do their fans think of FSG?
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      Reply #32362: Nov 05, 2022 02:27:05 pm
      Presumed that would be the case. Are those teams successful / been competing each year?

      What do their fans think of FSG?

      Under FSG rhe Red Sox have won the World Series 4 times - that was after going 90 years without winning , think they reached one more.  Last in the playoffs 2021. No idea what their fans think of them

      They only bought the Penguins under 12 months ago.

      They are next looking to go into NFL
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      Reply #32363: Nov 05, 2022 08:35:06 pm
      Under FSG rhe Red Sox have won the World Series 4 times - that was after going 90 years without winning , think they reached one more.  Last in the playoffs 2021. No idea what their fans think of them

      They only bought the Penguins under 12 months ago.

      They are next looking to go into NFL

      They’ve owned the Red Sox for 21/22 years or so haven’t they? 4 titles in 22 years? I know absolutely nothing about Red Sox or baseball so no idea if that’s considered good or not.

      Wonder if our American posters have any understanding of what they’re thought of by Red Sox fans etc. Would be quite interesting.

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      Reply #32364: Nov 05, 2022 08:46:05 pm
      They’ve owned the Red Sox for 21/22 years or so haven’t they? 4 titles in 22 years? I know absolutely nothing about Red Sox or baseball so no idea if that’s considered good or not.

      Wonder if our American posters have any understanding of what they’re thought of by Red Sox fans etc. Would be quite interesting.


      Looking at the results of the World Series since FSG took , Red Sox have won more than any other team - Giants 3 times , Cardinals 2 ,


      Did find this in regards questioning players getting contracts etc - no idea how the transfer system works etc

      https://www.si.com/soccer/liverpool/.amp/interviews/fsg-ownership-boston-red-sox-fan-honest-view-liverpool-john-w-henry
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      Reply #32365: Nov 05, 2022 09:34:43 pm

      Looking at the results of the World Series since FSG took , Red Sox have won more than any other team - Giants 3 times , Cardinals 2 ,


      Did find this in regards questioning players getting contracts etc - no idea how the transfer system works etc

      https://www.si.com/soccer/liverpool/.amp/interviews/fsg-ownership-boston-red-sox-fan-honest-view-liverpool-john-w-henry

      Good read that with some similarities.

      Interesting that Red Sox fan mentions 2023, the same time FSG need to invest in our squad. I can’t see us making much through sales so time will tell if they’ll go out and spend.

      With Ox, naby, Milner and Bobby all likely to leave & for nothing then there are quite a few players to replace there.
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      Reply #32366: Nov 05, 2022 10:13:10 pm
      Good read that with some similarities.

      Interesting that Red Sox fan mentions 2023, the same time FSG need to invest in our squad. I can’t see us making much through sales so time will tell if they’ll go out and spend.



      With Ox, naby, Milner and Bobby all likely to leave & for nothing then there are quite a few players to replace there.

      Heard rumour Bobby might be offered a contract but will.need to take a hefty pay cut
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      Reply #32367: Nov 06, 2022 12:27:52 pm
      Good read that with some similarities.

      Interesting that Red Sox fan mentions 2023, the same time FSG need to invest in our squad. I can’t see us making much through sales so time will tell if they’ll go out and spend.

      With Ox, naby, Milner and Bobby all likely to leave & for nothing then there are quite a few players to replace there.


      I’m not sure how much money we have without selling. Last season it was around £50mil , the season before was £60mil - all the talk was there was £80mil to spend on someone like Touchmeni or Bellingham last summer so there is the potential there could be £100mil plus to spend plus any sale money 🤷‍♂️ - which I guess is where all the talk of Bellingham for the summer is about

      Reading social media in regards the Red Sox - there are at a stage where they have some established players on big money and only some can get the guaranteed money so club looking to bring in free agents and use the drafts etc -

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      Reply #32368: Nov 06, 2022 01:19:46 pm

      I’m not sure how much money we have without selling. Last season it was around £50mil , the season before was £60mil - all the talk was there was £80mil to spend on someone like Touchmeni or Bellingham last summer so there is the potential there could be £100mil plus to spend plus any sale money 🤷‍♂️ - which I guess is where all the talk of Bellingham for the summer is about

      Reading social media in regards the Red Sox - there are at a stage where they have some established players on big money and only some can get the guaranteed money so club looking to bring in free agents and use the drafts etc -

      Until the money is spent it was never there though. We’re just going to sound like bluenoses asking John where the touchmeni money is.

      If we don’t qualify for the CL which at the moment that’s a real possibility, I imagine that money will to cover whatever losses we have there. It could potentially put us back a few years.

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      Reply #32369: Nov 06, 2022 01:21:41 pm
      Until the money is spent it was never there though. We’re just going to sound like bluenoses asking John where the touchmeni money is.

      If we don’t qualify for the CL which at the moment that’s a real possibility, I imagine that money will to cover whatever losses we have there. It could potentially put us back a few years.


      I’m guessing the Touchmeni money is there for their next target 🤷‍♂️

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      Reply #32370: Nov 06, 2022 01:23:34 pm

      I’m guessing the Touchmeni money is there for their next target 🤷‍♂️

      But if we don’t qualify for the CL that money will need to be used to cover our losses surely?
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      Reply #32371: Nov 06, 2022 01:26:57 pm
      But if we don’t qualify for the CL that money will need to be used to cover our losses surely?

      Who knows. I’m sure they are prepared for any potential issues.
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      Reply #32372: Nov 06, 2022 02:55:24 pm
      I wonder if FSG have a cut off point this season regarding what league position we may finish in to whether they sack Klopp.

      Personally, if we finish 10th and win nothing, I still would keep him. He has enough credit for me to let him have a crap year. Plus I genuinely don’t think there is anyone better out there.

      But FSG? I’m not sure. They will know how popular he is….
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      Reply #32373: Nov 06, 2022 03:01:19 pm
      I wonder if FSG have a cut off point this season regarding what league position we may finish in to whether they sack Klopp.

      Personally, if we finish 10th and win nothing, I still would keep him. He has enough credit for me to let him have a crap year. Plus I genuinely don’t think there is anyone better out there.

      But FSG? I’m not sure. They will know how popular he is….

      I believe it will be all about the CL money. It’s like Arsene Wenger at Arsenal. They didn’t need to win trophies to keep him. They just needed him to bring in the CL money. And that was how he survived for so many years at Arsenal without winning many things.
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      Reply #32374: Nov 07, 2022 12:52:10 pm
      FSG put the club up for sale!!
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      Reply #32375: Nov 07, 2022 02:44:46 pm

      Looking at the results of the World Series since FSG took , Red Sox have won more than any other team - Giants 3 times , Cardinals 2 ,


      Did find this in regards questioning players getting contracts etc - no idea how the transfer system works etc

      https://www.si.com/soccer/liverpool/.amp/interviews/fsg-ownership-boston-red-sox-fan-honest-view-liverpool-john-w-henry

      They also let their best player leave to avoid paying a luxury tax.
      Guy they should have built the team around.
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      Reply #32376: Nov 07, 2022 02:46:05 pm
      They also let their best player leave to avoid paying a luxury tax.
      Guy they should have built the team around.

      Being honest - no idea , what does the luxury tax mean ? Who was it ?
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      Reply #32377: Nov 07, 2022 02:49:46 pm
      Being honest - no idea , what does the luxury tax mean ? Who was it ?

      Mookie Betts.

      https://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2020/02/06/mookie-betts-david-price-peter-may

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      Reply #32378: Nov 07, 2022 02:57:55 pm


      So they could have extended his contract for life and then it’s against the wage bill and it’s capped ? But then they would have had a star player to build around ?
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      Reply #32379: Nov 07, 2022 03:00:36 pm

      So they could have extended his contract for life and then it’s against the wage bill and it’s capped ? But then they would have had a star player to build around ?

      Seems like bad business all round just to avoid tax.
      Basically traded their MVP away.
      I know guys that are Red Sox fans that were furious over it.
      At the time they said it was like LFC just trading Salah away.
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      Reply #32380: Nov 07, 2022 03:02:37 pm
      Seems like bad business all round just to avoid tax.
      Basically traded their MVP away.
      I know guys that are Red Sox fans that were furious over it.
      At the time they said it was like LFC just trading Salah away.

      Cheers - does seem strange in regards tax purposes though
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      Reply #32381: Nov 07, 2022 03:03:06 pm
      They’ve owned the Red Sox for 21/22 years or so haven’t they? 4 titles in 22 years? I know absolutely nothing about Red Sox or baseball so no idea if that’s considered good or not.

      Wonder if our American posters have any understanding of what they’re thought of by Red Sox fans etc. Would be quite interesting.
      American poster here. 4 World Series titles in roughly 20 years is amazing. They hadn’t won in 90 years before that. And they lost in the semi-finals of the playoffs another 3 times. That’s an amazing stretch and they’ve been one of the best teams over that 20 year span. I can’t think of a team that has accomplished more except for maybe the Astros.. and the Astros success has all come in the past 6 years.
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      Reply #32382: Nov 07, 2022 03:08:44 pm
      They also let their best player leave to avoid paying a luxury tax.
      Guy they should have built the team around.
      Luxury tax kills your team. It’s smart to let the big money players walk and let other teams pay them and instead find value.. whether that is small money value or big money value, the superstar always gets vastly overpaid in free agency.

      Look at the Astros.. they let Springer, Correa, and Cole all walk. They replaced them with young talent and spent money elsewhere and just won the World Series.

      It’s about maximizing the value of your roster as a whole. That’s not to say you never pay a superstar.. but you have to be smart about which guys to pay and which guys to let walk.
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      Reply #32383: Nov 07, 2022 03:27:07 pm
      It’s about maximizing the value of your roster as a whole. That’s not to say you never pay a superstar.. but you have to be smart about which guys to pay and which guys to let walk.

      Maybe they are looking to sell the club to finance new deals for Bogaerts and Devers ;D

      Interesting when you look at their latest acquisition in Pittsburgh Penguins of the NHL. A aging team who best players are close to done (Crosby, Letang, Malkin) so major rebuild will be needed for that as well though with hard cap won't be nearly as costly

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