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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #32384: Nov 07, 2022 03:44:58 pm
      Luxury tax kills your team. It’s smart to let the big money players walk and let other teams pay them and instead find value.. whether that is small money value or big money value, the superstar always gets vastly overpaid in free agency.

      Look at the Astros.. they let Springer, Correa, and Cole all walk. They replaced them with young talent and spent money elsewhere and just won the World Series.

      It’s about maximizing the value of your roster as a whole. That’s not to say you never pay a superstar.. but you have to be smart about which guys to pay and which guys to let walk.

      It certainly has parallels in signing "the next Bellingham" in the likes of Elliott and Carvalho.
      In Baseball it's a closed shop so easier to work.
      Not the same when you have PSG, City and now Newcastle with the ability to operate at a different level.
      No Luxury Tax lying in wait to peg back those three.
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      Reply #32385: Nov 07, 2022 03:49:22 pm
      They also let their best player leave to avoid paying a luxury tax.
      Guy they should have built the team around.

      Why in the world are we bringing baseball into this conversation? they are independently run teams.

      Betts declined a $300M contract offer from the Red Sox so he was traded as they would have lost him for nothing in the summer.
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      Reply #32386: Nov 07, 2022 04:15:29 pm
      It certainly has parallels in signing "the next Bellingham" in the likes of Elliott and Carvalho.
      In Baseball it's a closed shop so easier to work.
      Not the same when you have PSG, City and now Newcastle with the ability to operate at a different level.
      No Luxury Tax lying in wait to peg back those three.
      Yeah, its impossible to go toe to toe with huge money like that with those teams. That’s why you have to find another way to compete.

      There is a great movie called “Moneyball” about this very topic with Brad Pitt and Jonah Hill about the Oakland Athletics baseball team. Back in the early 00’s, they had probably the poorest team in the league. They came up with a new way to find value in players and went on an insane winning streak and had the best record in the league. The ideas behind that success changed how MLB teams are managed and the Red Sox were early adopters of the philosophy before their championship runs.

      Even if you’re not a baseball fan, it’s just a great movie if you love sports.
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      Reply #32387: Nov 07, 2022 08:20:06 pm
      Sounds like great excuse to not spend big in January if you ask me..... :f_run:
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      Reply #32388: Nov 07, 2022 08:22:57 pm
      Sounds like great excuse to not spend big in January if you ask me..... :f_run:

      I did not think of this angle veryyy fsg style to do something like this then declare after jan that no one came in
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #32389: Nov 08, 2022 09:11:20 am
      Yeah, its impossible to go toe to toe with huge money like that with those teams. That’s why you have to find another way to compete.

      There is a great movie called “Moneyball” about this very topic with Brad Pitt and Jonah Hill about the Oakland Athletics baseball team. Back in the early 00’s, they had probably the poorest team in the league. They came up with a new way to find value in players and went on an insane winning streak and had the best record in the league. The ideas behind that success changed how MLB teams are managed and the Red Sox were early adopters of the philosophy before their championship runs.

      Even if you’re not a baseball fan, it’s just a great movie if you love sports.

      The book is a far more accurate look at the details of the strategy/philosophy. The movie makes it look as if the team totally disregarded in-person scouting, which has never been true. It should also be noted that the team results were about as successful the two seasons prior to the season the story covers.

      But the rise of sabremetrics has been a major trend over the past 20 years in baseball, and John Henry utilized it well as his team won four championships.

      Ian Graham from Cambridge spearheaded this effort at Liverpool. You still need intuitive decision-making at the top to remain successful.
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      Reply #32390: Nov 09, 2022 05:17:50 pm
      The book is a far more accurate look at the details of the strategy/philosophy. The movie makes it look as if the team totally disregarded in-person scouting, which has never been true. It should also be noted that the team results were about as successful the two seasons prior to the season the story covers.

      But the rise of sabremetrics has been a major trend over the past 20 years in baseball, and John Henry utilized it well as his team won four championships.

      Ian Graham from Cambridge spearheaded this effort at Liverpool. You still need intuitive decision-making at the top to remain successful.
      I’ve read the book also, as well as other books on sports analytics. I agree with you completely.

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