NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

1. He will learn from the mistakes of last summer

2. Yes I believe we will have a squad that will challenge again

(1) Mistakes? Not sure ( well very much sure ) Klopp couldn’t have done much about it given the circumstances of the year before and not having enough money to spend in the market for last year. What mistakes did you have Klopp making?

(2) I always hold my judgement on any predictions till transfer window over myself but so far you’re fighting for the same as us, top 4. Obviously think we can both compete for the cup runs though.

We will 🤷‍♂️ we get the funds every single year from it

When you say 'We"

Do u mean We as in Liverpool or as in We - which is you, Linda and the rest of your NESV mob?

I'm so convinced you are JWH in disguise.

Am sure I have not seen you two in the same room at the same time , together! 

When you say 'We"

Do u mean We as in Liverpool or as in We - which is you, Linda and the rest of your NESV mob?

I'm so convinced you are JWH in disguise.

Am sure I have not seen you two in the same room at the same time , together! 

Yep I’m Henry - an asset rich multibillionaire

Yep I’m Henry - an asset rich multibillionaire

Many will probably believe that Pj. 😂

Many will probably believe that Pj. 😂

More likely Spartacus!

Many will probably believe that Pj. 😂

Oh I have no doubt 😂

FSG partner steps down from board before potential Liverpool showdown

One of Fenway Sports Group’s most significant partners has stepped down from the board of directors at French side Toulouse ahead of next season’s Champions League.

Gerry Cardinale, founder and managing partner of New York-based investment firm RedBird Capital Partners, has removed himself from the board at the Ligue 1 side as part of a series of measures to create clear separation between Toulouse and another RedBird-owned side, AC Milan, which they acquired last year.

Toulouse booked their place in the Europa League next season, where they could end up meeting Liverpool, by virtue of winning the French Cup last season. It is the first time that the club, whose president is former Liverpool sporting director Damien Comolli, will have played in European competition since the 2007/08 season.

But with AC Milan having qualified for the Champions League next season there has been concern that the two sides being owned by the same firm could cause serious problems for the French club’s European ambitions. Article 5 of the UEFA regulations prohibits two clubs owned by the same shareholder from participating in the same European competition. While Toulouse and Milan will play in different tournaments the risk exists that should the Italian side exit the Champions League early then they would drop into the Europa League, potentially creating a scenario where the two teams play each other.

That has required some movement at board level, with the stepping down by Cardinale the first of a likely series of moves that RedBird hope will satisfy UEFA around any concerns they may have over a conflict of interest.

There is a precedent for such changes, as was seen by the Red Bull owned sides RB Leipzig and Red Bull Salzburg in 2017, when both sides were to meet each other in the Champions League. That particular impasse was resolved through changes to shareholder agreements, the removal of some linked personnel at board level with decisive influence. The Red Bull issue was more pointed given that there were a number of issues such as similar club branding, high levels of income from Red Bull sponsorship deals, a formal cooperation agreement and unusually high levels of player loans and transfers. Both AC Milan and Toulouse have thus far operated independently of one another, with no sponsorship crossover or cooperation agreements in place, with the hope being that a resolution will be able to be found swiftly to preserve the status of both clubs in UEFA competition this year.

RedBird acquired 11 per cent of Liverpool owners FSG back in March 2021 in a $750m deal. There is, however, no issue related to Liverpool with regards to any conflict of interest given that RedBird have an indirect stake in the Reds through FSG and no RedBird personnel hold a place on the board of directors at the football club.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/fsg-partner-liverpool-board-showdown-27167862

Probably nothing noteworthy and even less to do with us as a club but hopefully it'll give you all something else to bicker over.

Seen something on the BBC football site saying our owners where something like 17th in spending table shock eh?

Stingebags, get a manager who every club in the world would want and give him monkey nuts every now and again. I'm not forgetting, it seems many are getting all soft in their attitude towards FSG when they need to get the money out more than ever, we need midfielders and defenders or next season will be a whole or nearly year of miserable football, while one year ticks down from Klopp being here.
Their 'asset' has grown ten fold (LFC) but they keep on not even repaying anything to the manager and fans, I detest them. they've done or not done too many things since they've been here for me to have that opinion and it takes a alot for me to detest anything or anyone.

Yep I’m Henry - an asset rich multibillionaire

Henry, sell your assets. Raise cash. Deploy the cash into player acquisitions - For our entertainment and enjoyment of the upcoming season. Don't buy the players you like. Buy the players that fans want! Ignore Jürgen. Fan's happiness is the most important. We are paying the club, the squad, and paying you. So listen to your customers.

And stop arguing with fans here. Customers are always right!

Henry, sell your assets. Raise cash. Deploy the cash into player acquisitions - For our entertainment and enjoyment of the upcoming season. Don't buy the players you like. Buy the players that fans want! Ignore Jürgen. Fan's happiness is the most important. We are paying the club, the squad, and paying you. So listen to your customers.

And stop arguing with fans here. Customers are always right!

On it

Will just need a list of the players the fans want 👍

The word is FSG do not need to do a F***ing thing while the ASSET that is LFC is self sufficient and gives a steady return ad infinitum.

Without Klopp we would be fu**ed and possibly that is the only way to get shut of these market players, if Jürgen walked.

On it

Will just need a list of the players the fans want 👍

Henry buys Jürgen and fan dinner.

Henry: Guys please order.
Fan: I want Jude Bellingham £130m on the menu.
Jürgen: Agree it’s my first choice. People out there know I like this and I didn’t deny.
Henry: How about Mac Allister at £35m. There’s an promotion. Defffo worth more than £35m. A bargain. Ok let’s order this.

When paying the bill…

Henry: Hey Jürgen, do you mind selling your personal items to pay for the bill? Your ring, your glasses, your clothes, your car and all existing items which I have previously bought for you? Guys hope you’re enjoyed your dinner. The money for the dinner is actually there. I paid for it and you’re very welcome.

We love our Henry…

Yep I’m Henry - an asset rich multibillionaire

Your a knobhead that’s for sure

Your a knobhead that’s for sure

Lack of self awareness for you then

Henry, sell your assets. Raise cash. Deploy the cash into player acquisitions - For our entertainment and enjoyment of the upcoming season. Don't buy the players you like. Buy the players that fans want! Ignore Jürgen. Fan's happiness is the most important. We are paying the club, the squad, and paying you. So listen to your customers.

And stop arguing with fans here. Customers are always right!

You’re living in putin land if you think klopp got the player he wants and he himself is not asking for the big buys

It’s well known what klopp wanted in cm, he did not get in Jude for example being one

Fsg need to be moved on as they cannot compete in the modern environment

You have two extremes

One are the state owned clubs and cash rich billionaires who distort the game and they are considered bad

But then you have the cheap, low lives who are only here to spend as little as could be spent to increase their asset, even if it means applying for covid finance schemes when they do not need it and means sacrificing reputation, the type that would sell their soul for a dollar (think super league) the type that are spending even less then clubs from the championship ffs

Both are as bad as each other and we have the cheap version

What we need is someone in between

Fsg are not fit to run the club and it’s clear now

They are similar to the glazers, but their dividends are the value of the club, instead they are taking money to pay back loans from us which they should not have taken in the first place

Also the fsg defence force, my god they are becoming bad for the club, like detrimentally bad

You’re living in putin land if you think klopp got the player he wants and he himself is not asking for the big buys

It’s well known what klopp wanted in cm, he did not get in Jude for example being one

Fsg need to be moved on as they cannot compete in the modern environment

You have two extremes

One are the state owned clubs and cash rich billionaires who distort the game and they are considered bad

But then you have the cheap, low lives who are only here to spend as little as could be spent to increase their asset, even if it means applying for covid finance schemes when they do not need it and means sacrificing reputation, the type that would sell their soul for a dollar (think super league) the type that are spending even less then clubs from the championship ffs

Both are as bad as each other and we have the cheap version

What we need is someone in between

Fsg are not fit to run the club and it’s clear now

They are similar to the glazers, but their dividends are the value of the club, instead they are taking money to pay back loans from us which they should not have taken in the first place

Also the fsg defence force, my god they are becoming bad for the club, like detrimentally bad

What it shows to me is that some have become spoilt and entitled and appear to have this belief that it’s a requirement that someone must spend their own personal money buying a footballer.

It shows the changing mentality in the sport and how some can’t see past money


We have owners that took a club that was on its knees , in need of a massive shake up from top to bottom and inside out

Fast forward 12 years and we have prob have the best run club in the league , and whilst going against state clubs have won multiple trophies , we have had success and will continue to have success but some can’t see past their nose. We are doing things properly - building success through good financial management.

We aren’t going to spend as much as others clubs - that’s life , that’s how it was in 70’s and and 80’s when the club relied on good recruitment, coaching and management whilst continuing to work within the financial structure of the club - just like we do now.

I’ll take the way the club is run now over any of the owners in the league and it’s embarrassing and disrespectful for someone to be calling them “low life’s” all because they don’t spend money

What it shows to me is that some have become spoilt and entitled and appear to have this belief that it’s a requirement that someone must spend their own personal money buying a footballer.

It shows the changing mentality in the sport and how some can’t see past money


We have owners that took a club that was on its knees , in need of a massive shake up from top to bottom and inside out

Fast forward 12 years and we have prob have the best run club in the league , and whilst going against state clubs have won multiple trophies , we have had success and will continue to have success but some can’t see past their nose. We are doing things properly - building success through good financial management.

We aren’t going to spend as much as others clubs - that’s life , that’s how it was in 70’s and and 80’s when the club relied on good recruitment, coaching and management whilst continuing to work within the financial structure of the club - just like we do now.

I’ll take the way the club is run now over any of the owners in the league and it’s embarrassing and disrespectful for someone to be calling them “low life’s” all because they don’t spend money

It’s not being spoilt expecting a football owner to invest in the club they own. Guess what ? Probably all of league fckn 1 teams have had owners who invested more of their personal fortune than the owners of my beloved club

So you can take that entitlement bit and stuff it, it’s not being entitled that an owner does his best to maintain the competitive aspect of the club

What you’re failing to understand is they do not see Liverpool fc as family, they do not see it as a club that is the soul of the city. What they see is a business opportunity to make money for themselves. It’s gotten so bad that getting potentially 7-8 times their investment is not good enough, they want more and are willing to let the club suffer competitive wise to get more money in their pockets

That is not the sign of a good owner

They are low lives, my example is clear, the covid scheme was designed to help businesses struggling, it takes a real low life to use tax payers money to pay wages of staff up to 80 percent or whatever it was

It takes a real low life to tell a caterer whilst we are getting over 100 million in revenue and have become billionaires due to the club, you have to accept 80 percent of your salary which whilst we can afford it, instead we will get the tax payer to pay for it

It also takes a real low life to try to sell the soul of the club in the super league

So yes, in football terms like the glazers, in my opinion they are low life’s who have no integrity

Oh guess what, remember them trying to OWN the name of Liverpool ? Yes remember that part ? They are disgusting corporate pigs for trying to own the name of the city
A low life businessman who will do what it takes to make more money for themselves going forward

We are no way the best run club, the best run club does not have an owner who refuses to invest and tries to sell soul and reputation of the club for the dollar

They did a decent job in buying us out, then they did an amazing job in hiring klopp who then did the rest whilst the revenues grew due to tv revenue exploding

But that’s all they did whilst klopp did the rest but now it’s catching up

The best run club also does not have owners who take loans out on the club and then using the club revenues to pay for it whilst the club becomes worse off

You are missing the point, nobody is asking for 100s of millions, what they are saying is asking for an owner who is willing to invest far less than that per year to help the club be competitive in winning titles as that’s our purpose to compete

What is properly in your opinion is not mine, nor is it normal. I would say we may be one of the only clubs doing what is being done in terms of how it’s run.

The club is being treated as gold pot by the owners and that’s it. In fact we are paying back a loan given by fsg plus interest
Probably, so money is going out to them

The best run club is not near the bottom in the investment chart, end of story. 

That’s not in your words life, that should not be happening, it’s not unrealistic to expect owners to put in 15-20m per season to help their club grow. Fsg refuse to do it as they will sell the club when they get a big enough offer as they want to use Liverpool to get cash rich eventually like the glazers did

I have no issue owners not investing providing the club remains competitive and keeps investing to what is required to maintain elite competitiveness. It’s clear that is not possible under fsg

Deloitte Football Money League - clubs by revenue in 2021-22.  Why do we like to make out we are poor?

Liverpool had the third highest income of any club in Europe. 

Deloitte Football Money League - clubs by revenue in 2021-22.  Why do we like to make out we are poor?

Liverpool had the third highest income of any club in Europe. 

Who has made out we are poor 🤷‍♂️


We had an income of £591mil

Outgoings of £560mil

Wage bill of 2/3rds to income

People only seem to see money spend in terms of transfer fees , wage bill is always a big bill to pay

https://twitter.com/gregorypcordell/status/1671465864187592704?s=46&t=_4uI6CiVRqge8WqM7F37Iw


The club are not poor and not claiming to be poor but there will always be a budget - just ad every well run club has

Deloitte Football Money League - clubs by revenue in 2021-22.  Why do we like to make out we are poor?

Liverpool had the third highest income of any club in Europe. 

The FSG PR machine has done an unreal job in regards to this.

Deloitte Football Money League - clubs by revenue in 2021-22.  Why do we like to make out we are poor?

Liverpool had the third highest income of any club in Europe. 

Like I said prior, we need an owner who is willing to add in 20-25m per season to help the club remain competitive, that is not a big ask

Apparently to the fsg defence force, it’s akin to asking for the Crown Jewels not realising it’s abnormal not having an owner investing a little bit in their own club

It’s not being spoilt expecting a football owner to invest in the club they own. Guess what ? Probably all of league fckn 1 teams have had owners who invested more of their personal fortune than the owners of my beloved club

So you can take that entitlement bit and stuff it, it’s not being entitled that an owner does his best to maintain the competitive aspect of the club

What you’re failing to understand is they do not see Liverpool fc as family, they do not see it as a club that is the soul of the city. What they see is a business opportunity to make money for themselves. It’s gotten so bad that getting potentially 7-8 times their investment is not good enough, they want more and are willing to let the club suffer competitive wise to get more money in their pockets

That is not the sign of a good owner

They are low lives, my example is clear, the covid scheme was designed to help businesses struggling, it takes a real low life to use tax payers money to pay wages of staff up to 80 percent or whatever it was

It takes a real low life to tell a caterer whilst we are getting over 100 million in revenue and have become billionaires due to the club, you have to accept 80 percent of your salary which whilst we can afford it, instead we will get the tax payer to pay for it

It also takes a real low life to try to sell the soul of the club in the super league

So yes, in football terms like the glazers, in my opinion they are low life’s who have no integrity

Oh guess what, remember them trying to OWN the name of Liverpool ? Yes remember that part ? They are disgusting corporate pigs for trying to own the name of the city
A low life businessman who will do what it takes to make more money for themselves going forward

We are no way the best run club, the best run club does not have an owner who refuses to invest and tries to sell soul and reputation of the club for the dollar

They did a decent job in buying us out, then they did an amazing job in hiring klopp who then did the rest whilst the revenues grew due to tv revenue exploding

But that’s all they did whilst klopp did the rest but now it’s catching up

The best run club also does not have owners who take loans out on the club and then using the club revenues to pay for it whilst the club becomes worse off

You are missing the point, nobody is asking for 100s of millions, what they are saying is asking for an owner who is willing to invest far less than that per year to help the club be competitive in winning titles as that’s our purpose to compete

What is properly in your opinion is not mine, nor is it normal. I would say we may be one of the only clubs doing what is being done in terms of how it’s run.

The club is being treated as gold pot by the owners and that’s it. In fact we are paying back a loan given by fsg plus interest
Probably, so money is going out to them

The best run club is not near the bottom in the investment chart, end of story. 

That’s not in your words life, that should not be happening, it’s not unrealistic to expect owners to put in 15-20m per season to help their club grow. Fsg refuse to do it as they will sell the club when they get a big enough offer as they want to use Liverpool to get cash rich eventually like the glazers did

I have no issue owners not investing providing the club remains competitive and keeps investing to what is required to maintain elite competitiveness. It’s clear that is not possible under fsg

I’ll try and break down the rant


First a question - if a club needs to have owners constantly pumping money in each season does that not mean the club is spending beyond its means and is be definition a poorly run club

The fact that we stand on our own two feet self sufficient and have been able to win multiple trophies the very proof that the club is very well run

It’s a very strange take that you see a club only  being run well if someone is having to constantly put money into it and the club spends more than  it makes. That’s a one way road to trouble without a never ending pot


Let’s look at the furlough scheme - the club furloughed the staff and looked at the government scheme which was open to every single business, the club lost income and any businessman would look at it - but they didn’t understand the feeling and instead the club paid all the staff 100% and the club took the hit on the losses.

Trademark- again they believed the club was losing out in income and revenue

“The club’s trademark application came to light two months ago, with the club insisting it was purely “in the context of football products and services” and to stop people benefiting from the sale of what they described as “inauthentic products” relating to Jürgen Klopp’s European champions.”

Peter Moore, the club’s chief executive officer, said: “It should be stressed that our application was put forward in good faith and with the sole aim of protecting and furthering the best interests of the club and its supporters. Nevertheless, we accept the decision and the spirit in which it has been made.”

Again trying to get more money into the club so that more money can be spent on players etc


Super league - every top club went with it and it was clear why , the CL is no better and the soul of the club was fine when they all jumped into the Premier League. It’s also very noteworthy that the new CL is doing what the super league was looking to do

There is no doubt that if it went ahead and we as a club didn’t go into it then we would have been left behind

A few things - the loan for stadium was not taking out against the club

Any interest for the loan is not taken by FSG and they are earning not a single cent from the loan

I think what we need to satisfy some is to bring the value of the club right down , we can’t have all this improvements and the people the own club benefit from the improvements


Comparing them to the Glazers is both laughable and shows a complete lack of understanding


Will finish with a simple question- do you think FSG have a big pile of cash ready for the club to spend ?