NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

Imo it’s not FSG not sanctioning any moves

Klopp etc have targets and appear to be rigid in those players - Gravenburch appears to be one


The money is there imo so they only thing that’s stopping players coming in is other clubs not wanting to sell and Klopp etc not wanting to move away from those targets

If players don’t arrive then imo it’s not down to the owners in this situation

If FSG were as involved in the day to day operations of the team as some people here think they do, there would be no need for a CEO, or DOF or scouts or anyone. Ignorance is bliss, though.

what wilderness years mate we have always been able to pick up a Cup or two or even 5 in one year

Perhaps wilderness is a bit of an exaggeration walt, we did win the occasional cup despite real title challenges being few and far between - but when I see people arguing here that the club is in decline I cant agree. We are only one season removed from a cup double and yet another 90+ point title race.

Like Klopp said once, I would like us to take more risks sometimes in the transfer market, but blaming FSG for us not winning more over recent years doesn't paint the full picture. If we don't sign anyone else this summer its not on FSG - it's because the recruitment team (including Klopp) have not found someone they want who is available. The money is there, for better or worse we saw that during the Caicedo saga. It's down to the actual day to day decision makers at the club to make a deal - not JWH or FSG.

Perhaps wilderness is a bit of an exaggeration walt, we did win the occasional cup despite real title challenges being few and far between - but when I see people arguing here that the club is in decline I cant agree. We are only one season removed from a cup double and yet another 90+ point title race.

Like Klopp said once, I would like us to take more risks sometimes in the transfer market, but blaming FSG for us not winning more over recent years doesn't paint the full picture. If we don't sign anyone else this summer its not on FSG - it's because the recruitment team (including Klopp) have not found someone they want who is available. The money is there, for better or worse we saw that during the Caicedo saga. It's down to the actual day to day decision makers at the club to make a deal - not JWH or FSG.

indeed.

If FSG were as involved in the day to day operations of the team as some people here think they do, there would be no need for a CEO, or DOF or scouts or anyone. Ignorance is bliss, though.

You should watch the Newcastle documentary. It appears the ownership at a Premier League level team is actually involved in the day to day quite extensively.

Also the Spurs documentary on Amazon showed similar things.

If our owners aren't being consulted and included on some of these decisions, it would appear to possibly be the exception and not the rule.

How many times has it been said before, any player coming in has to be the right fit, he has to be the right type of character, Jürgen wants workers, he wants those willing to smash thru brick walls, and those types of players and those types of characters are becoming scarce in the modern version of football as we know it, hence our difficulties of finding the right one,

Is the lad Gravenberch in this mould, it seems since we were interested in him a couple of seasons back, was Caicedo that type of player or indeed Lavia, both of them would’ve jumped at the chance of playing for Jürgen, sadly though greed and the big lights of London said otherwise, there is a argument that we as a club should’ve pushed harder, however doing so would mean any player arriving would not necessarily have the same desire or commitment had they arrived willingly, so again being the right fit is pivotal to what Jürgen wants,

It’s clear the money IS there, and perhaps because it’s not the amounts the likes of the oily’s et al can spend, we need to be more economical and spend it wisely, I think we will do business before the window closes, one at least, maybe two at a push.


YNWA

You should watch the Newcastle documentary. It appears the ownership at a Premier League level team is actually involved in the day to day quite extensively.

Also the Spurs documentary on Amazon showed similar things.

If our owners aren't being consulted and included on some of these decisions, it would appear to possibly be the exception and not the rule.

Agree on being consulted and included in some of the decisions, but nowhere near to the extent people here think they are. It's not the ownership group that is going to identify a player and pickup the phone to negotiate a transfer. It's the team that will.

People seem to think FSG = Liverpool and not realize that FSG is a conglomerate who owns 8 entities/teams, 1 of which is LFC, with multiple people/organizations making up the ownership group and with no single person having majority (51%) ownership.

A large conglomerate like that necessitates that each entity have autonomy and structure to operate on its own for its day to day operations. I would expect the 100M bid to Caicedo had to receive approval from someone at the FSG level, but not for someone like Endo. These large companies have schedules of executive approvals / approval matrices, that state the level of approval needed for different things and amounts.

Agree on being consulted and included in some of the decisions, but nowhere near to the extent people here think they are. It's not the ownership group that is going to identify a player and pickup the phone to negotiate a transfer. It's the team that will.

People seem to think FSG = Liverpool and not realize that FSG is a conglomerate who owns 8 entities/teams, 1 of which is LFC, with multiple people/organizations making up the ownership group and with no single person having majority (51%) ownership.

A large conglomerate like that necessitates that each entity have autonomy and structure to operate on its own for its day to day operations. I would expect the 100M bid to Caicedo had to receive approval from someone at the FSG level, but not for someone like Endo. These large companies have schedules of executive approvals / approval matrices, that state the level of approval needed for different things and amounts.

Would that mean then that the £100k that was on the table for Caicedo will now be withdrawn because alternative targets won’t be so attractive?

YNWA

Would that mean then that the £100k that was on the table for Caicedo will now be withdrawn because alternative targets won’t be so attractive?

YNWA

How can a nonexistent entity be 'withdrawn'?
In the cold light of day it is an impossibility but with sleight of hand deception can be accomplished.

If FSG were as involved in the day to day operations of the team as some people here think they do, there would be no need for a CEO, or DOF or scouts or anyone. Ignorance is bliss, though.

They hired a CEO and DOF to distract us fans from the real problem

GEORGE SOROS!

How can a nonexistent entity be 'withdrawn'?
In the cold light of day it is an impossibility but with sleight of hand deception can be accomplished.

Maybe Stu but had Caicedo said yes the money would be there, it would have to be, no ?
Brighton said the offer was solid so no smoke and mirrors applied??

YNWA

Maybe Stu but had Caicedo said yes the money would be there, it would have to be, no ?
Brighton said the offer was solid so no smoke and mirrors applied??

YNWA

There's ways around it though either by withdrawing the offer, or making sh*t up like not happy with the medical etc etc

the authorities have been silenced on FFP that boat has sailed as will the State Ownership rules and whilst the EPL is the richest in the world nobody will rock the boat. This wasnt what FSG signed up for was it but it is where we find ourselves. I also think they wanted to broadcast LFC games and sell them in addition to the current rights and why not it seems madness not to capitalize on such a massive potential viewing audience but again the protectionists in the EPL will never let it happen so here we are. The reality is City, Newcastle and possibly UTD will out spend the rest of the league and possibly even find a way to  loan player back and forth through the Saudi league to keep up their spending. This the new reality and that is now where the bar is in terms of spending and its not for negotiation.  The question is if we dont win anything for the next decade but the value of the club keeps rising why would FSG sell they have no real interest in football or LFC as a team. We are in the worst of situations held hostage with nobody prepared to pay the ransom .

the authorities have been silenced on FFP that boat has sailed as will the State Ownership rules and whilst the EPL is the richest in the world nobody will rock the boat. This wasnt what FSG signed up for was it but it is where we find ourselves. I also think they wanted to broadcast LFC games and sell them in addition to the current rights and why not it seems madness not to capitalize on such a massive potential viewing audience but again the protectionists in the EPL will never let it happen so here we are. The reality is City, Newcastle and possibly UTD will out spend the rest of the league and possibly even find a way to  loan player back and forth through the Saudi league to keep up their spending. This the new reality and that is now where the bar is in terms of spending and its not for negotiation.  The question is if we dont win anything for the next decade but the value of the club keeps rising why would FSG sell they have no real interest in football or LFC as a team. We are in the worst of situations held hostage with nobody prepared to pay the ransom .

FIFA have to intervene at some point. 4 of the top teams on Saudi are state owned, and that state owns Newcastle.
 
Surely theres some conflict of interest there. No?

They can buy up all the rivals players, disrupt the Prem and make it easier for Newcastle to win the league while Skirting FFP.

I think the biggest indictment of FSG at this moment in time (for me) is that they allowed or approved the hiring of Jürgen's pal Jorg to run transfers. Because I'll be honest...he's sh*t at it from what I can tell. May have set us back a window (or more). Thank God for release clauses or it's unclear whether we'd have been able to get any business done.

Some of you lot didn't have to live through United's dominant 90's and it shows.

Some of them have which is even harder to work out.

Maybe Stu but had Caicedo said yes the money would be there, it would have to be, no ?
Brighton said the offer was solid so no smoke and mirrors applied??

YNWA

Seems shady Billy, £110m just appears like a F***ing rabbit out of JWH’s hat.

Seems shady Billy, £110m just appears like a F***ing rabbit out of JWH’s hat.

To be fair, a lot of pundits and "insiders" said leading up to the transfer window that we had money to spend (warchest) of anywhere from 100-200m.


So honestly, the money isn't the issue for me. It does seem it was odd trying to start a bidding war against Chelsea. I think someone on our side thought they had found a crack in the Chelsea armor (with FFP) and thought we could outbid them at the number we bid and then when they realized it wasn't going to work, we slunk away.

Maybe Stu but had Caicedo said yes the money would be there, it would have to be, no ?
Brighton said the offer was solid so no smoke and mirrors applied??

YNWA

The money was there.

To be fair, a lot of pundits and "insiders" said leading up to the transfer window that we had money to spend (warchest) of anywhere from 100-200m.


So honestly, the money isn't the issue for me. It does seem it was odd trying to start a bidding war against Chelsea. I think someone on our side thought they had found a crack in the Chelsea armor (with FFP) and thought we could outbid them at the number we bid and then when they realized it wasn't going to work, we slunk away.

As you intimate a bidding war with Chelsea would be futile beside which jumping in at the deep end but raise the stakes by increments.

Not foregoing the fact that FSG by experience do not engage in bidding contests so it was a foregone conclusion that LFC would back off when a higher bid came in .

As you intimate a bidding war with Chelsea would be futile beside which jumping in at the deep end but raise the stakes by increments.

Not foregoing the fact that FSG by experience do not engage in bidding contests so it was a foregone conclusion that LFC would back off when a higher bid came in .

Someone incorrectly believed that Chelsea couldn't go any higher than our bid. That's why we bid what we did. We also believed that Brighton wouldn't wait around on Chelsea to figure it out. Both of those thought processes appear to be flawed, but I do think the money was there to be spent.

Someone incorrectly believed that Chelsea couldn't go any higher than our bid. That's why we bid what we did. We also believed that Brighton wouldn't wait around on Chelsea to figure it out. Both of those thought processes appear to be flawed, but I do think the money was there to be spent.

Well apparently the dosh has disappeared without a trace so we'll never know!

Well apparently the dosh has disappeared without a trace so we'll never know!

Not sure the dosh has disappeared more our list of viable options and a small thing called time

Not sure the dosh has disappeared more our list of viable options and a small thing called time

Disappeared for whatever reason!