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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #36110: Jan 16, 2025 06:02:04 pm
      Purslow called FGS bid as scrapping the barrel.

      Now thatā€™s a c**t of a man calling out FSG back then & he was privy to information we are notā€¦

      Would you have preferred the other bidder - Peter Lim ?


      And the same Purslow that voted in favour of the bid 🤔
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      Reply #36111: Jan 16, 2025 06:04:31 pm
      And if they're bad, imagine how F***ing rotten the original cowboys must have been!!

      In the rush to slag the current cu*ts, some are forgetting or weren't supporting us when the club was being F***ing raped by H & G.

      I'll have these souless cu*ts and us challenging for the F***ing league every time to where we were circa the H & G era.

      1 league title F***ing Big wow
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      Reply #36112: Jan 16, 2025 06:06:04 pm

      How many in the 20 years before them under Moores and then Hicks and Gillette

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      Reply #36113: Jan 16, 2025 06:33:19 pm

      Yep. I know there is the argument over FC 115, but we have still left at least two league titles on the table.

      January 2021 window, top of the league on 1 Jan, players worked their backside off up to that point with no senior centre backs for the rest of the season, Robbo on LFCTV in late Dec post game saying "hopefully help to come in", and, JĆ¼rgen is wheeled out in the first press conference in Jan to tell a gobsmacked media that signing a CB (never mind two which we bloody needed) was "unlikely". The next game, no doubt with players like Robbo crestfallen like the rest of us, we lose at Southampton, proceed to continue drop points to the end of Jan by which point we are no longer top, and then, with fan dissatisfaction mounting, the owners do what they do best in such a scenario, token signings, with 500k Davies and a loanee in Kabak whom Norwich would later reject signing.

      In terms of windows, from any club, since its inception, there is nothing that comes close. The only thing that would come close is having no goalkeepers and then have the manager say signing a keeper was "unlikely", but of course that couldn't happen as you have to sign a keeper, its compulsory. We had no senior CB, when top of the league, and had Jurgeh Klopp, tell a packed media room, with the window open, that signing a CB was unlikely. And roughly 3 weeks later he let slip the financial issues, clearly by now frustrated with all his good work (and the players) coming to nothing,

      Summer '22, we need midfielders, every one can see. We then start losing, supporters disgruntled, and it's time to get out the old playbook in Boston.. token signing to 'appease' the supporters this time, is... loanee Melo. That season, wasted.

      And this one is shaping up to be similar. No signings in summer (has that ever happened to us? Like going back 50 years?)..anyway no signings, then a cheap option right at the death on a feller who had barely kicked a ball for us in over 4 and a half months. Still, wouldnt put that signing anywhere near the Melo or Kabak level.

      The failure to replace midfielder in Gini (which left us short in midfield in the 21-22 season with Morton having to play games when every game was crucial), not having a 4th CB when Lovren left.

      The constant penny pinching, and letting down elite managers.

      As has been said umpteen times before, minimal spend and CL qualification, that's the sweet spot for people whose sole aim is a return on their investment. If I was as clinical and ruthless as them, and bought a rounders 'franchise' I knew nothing about, I'd do the same over there. I'd probably look to move the team to another location with a bigger market too (they love doing that over there).
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      Reply #36114: Jan 16, 2025 06:42:25 pm

      C'mon Walt...we scored enough points to easily win at least a couple more during that period but the cheating juggernauts kept us from it. I'm down with being critical of the owners for good reason, but had it not been City financial doping we'd have likely won way more than we did.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #36115: Jan 16, 2025 07:12:36 pm
      They bought for Ā£300mil

      And Klopp didnā€™t build the stands

      Klopp didnā€™t increase the sponsership

      Klopp didnā€™t build the state of the art training facility




      Clutchingā€¦but that all above was part of the sale remit..

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      Not having a go at FSG, good owners, just tight with the shekels..
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #36116: Jan 16, 2025 07:16:28 pm
      Would you have preferred the other bidder - Peter Lim ?


      And the same Purslow that voted in favour of the bid 🤔

      Not not really, Lim was a Manc supporter..

      Purslow the Cuban heeled c**t I have zero time for after doing  the dirty on Rafa which some at time on this forum were supportive of Purslows move both Gerrard & Carrā€™s too..

      I would have preferred a resurrected DIC bid..

       
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      Reply #36117: Jan 16, 2025 07:30:34 pm
      Not not really, Lim was a Manc supporter..

      Purslow the Cuban heeled c**t I have zero time for after doing  the dirty on Rafa which some at time on this forum were supportive of Purslows move both Gerrard & Carrā€™s too..

      I would have preferred a resurrected DIC bid..

      DIC ? The same DIC that has had multiple financial problems with many debt issues

      That DIC ?

      Gerrrard and Carr ?
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #36118: Jan 16, 2025 07:31:15 pm
      Yep. I know there is the argument over FC 115, but we have still left at least two league titles on the table.

      January 2021 window, top of the league on 1 Jan, players worked their backside off up to that point with no senior centre backs for the rest of the season, Robbo on LFCTV in late Dec post game saying "hopefully help to come in", and, JĆ¼rgen is wheeled out in the first press conference in Jan to tell a gobsmacked media that signing a CB (never mind two which we bloody needed) was "unlikely". The next game, no doubt with players like Robbo crestfallen like the rest of us, we lose at Southampton, proceed to continue drop points to the end of Jan by which point we are no longer top, and then, with fan dissatisfaction mounting, the owners do what they do best in such a scenario, token signings, with 500k Davies and a loanee in Kabak whom Norwich would later reject signing.

      In terms of windows, from any club, since its inception, there is nothing that comes close. The only thing that would come close is having no goalkeepers and then have the manager say signing a keeper was "unlikely", but of course that couldn't happen as you have to sign a keeper, its compulsory. We had no senior CB, when top of the league, and had Jurgeh Klopp, tell a packed media room, with the window open, that signing a CB was unlikely. And roughly 3 weeks later he let slip the financial issues, clearly by now frustrated with all his good work (and the players) coming to nothing,

      Summer '22, we need midfielders, every one can see. We then start losing, supporters disgruntled, and it's time to get out the old playbook in Boston.. token signing to 'appease' the supporters this time, is... loanee Melo. That season, wasted.

      And this one is shaping up to be similar. No signings in summer (has that ever happened to us? Like going back 50 years?)..anyway no signings, then a cheap option right at the death on a feller who had barely kicked a ball for us in over 4 and a half months. Still, wouldnt put that signing anywhere near the Melo or Kabak level.

      The failure to replace midfielder in Gini (which left us short in midfield in the 21-22 season with Morton having to play games when every game was crucial), not having a 4th CB when Lovren left.

      The constant penny pinching, and letting down elite managers.

      As has been said umpteen times before, minimal spend and CL qualification, that's the sweet spot for people whose sole aim is a return on their investment. If I was as clinical and ruthless as them, and bought a rounders 'franchise' I knew nothing about, I'd do the same over there. I'd probably look to move the team to another location with a bigger market too (they love doing that over there).
      FSG as one of the major sports conglomerates in the World would always have been on the lookout for potential business revenue; LFC was in a sorry state, so FSG saw the potential and took a gamble on us (and it's always a gamble)... They would have had a plan to stabilise the club, then invest in players to make/keep the club competitive. Over time they will have shifted their business plans, as they adjust to other (Global) factors. It is in their business interest to keep the club as highly ranked as possible (lets agree that means Champions League qualification)....all within their set business parameters...they are not supporters as such...they are protecting their investment....like any business has to do.
      It's their club, they are the custodians until as and when they sell up.....they can, and will run it as they wish.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #36119: Jan 16, 2025 07:31:51 pm
      Clutchingā€¦but that all above was part of the sale remit..

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      Not having a go at FSG, good owners, just tight with the shekels..

      Sorting the stadium was part of the sale remit for Hicks and Gillette as well

      And there was no remit to build state of the art training facility
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      Reply #36120: Jan 16, 2025 07:53:20 pm
      There are two things

      They arenā€™t selling the club - thatā€™s very clear now with the direction they are going

      And

      The club is backed in the market year in year out

      Can we also please stop with the false stuff about ā€œmaking moneyā€

      The club made a loss in the last financial year and will prob make a bigger loss in the coming financial year
      LIP, you cant keep saying that, bud. I'm not saying that they are bad owners, but they look after number one first and the club second. I'm not one on here that's ever been big on signing to just to sign. But we only brought in one player this season (we bought two, but the other guy won't be here until next year, and it was a great move IMO, I should add). We all watched last season and we realized we didn't have a big enough squad and that we got tired. Surely there were more people that fit our style that we could have spent on.

      If this was the only season we didn't spend when we needed it, okay. But we have a lot of evidence that shows that we typically don't spend unless we sale. They're not bad owners, they really aren't. But I'm interested why you think they deserve such defending.
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      Reply #36121: Jan 16, 2025 08:00:51 pm
      LIP, you cant keep saying that, bud. I'm not saying that they are bad owners, but they look after number one first and the club second. I'm not one on here that's ever been big on signing to just to sign. But we only brought in one player this season (we bought two, but the other guy won't be here until next year, and it was a great move IMO, I should add). We all watched last season and we realized we didn't have a big enough squad and that we got tired. Surely there were more people that fit our style that we could have spent on.

      If this was the only season we didn't spend when we needed it, okay. But we have a lot of evidence that shows that we typically don't spend unless we sale. They're not bad owners, they really aren't. But I'm interested why you think they deserve such defending.

      Canā€™t keep saying what exactly ?


      The club sells players the same as every single club

      And the money used from selling players is into the pot to help bring in other players

      Whatā€™s the evidence when it comes to ā€œwe only buy when we sellā€ 🤷ā€ā™‚ļø





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      Reply #36122: Jan 16, 2025 08:00:59 pm
      Sorting the stadium was part of the sale remit for Hicks and Gillette as well

      And there was no remit to build state of the art training facility

      What was wrong with Melwood & how much was it sold off to developersā€¦?

      Also.. AXA sponsorship which is around Ā£20 million out 2029 will eventually cover the cost of the new training facility..Ā£50 million..
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      Reply #36123: Jan 16, 2025 08:05:16 pm
      What was wrong with Melwood & how much was it sold off to developersā€¦?

      Also.. AXA sponsorship which is around Ā£20 million out 2029 will eventually cover the cost of the new training facility..Ā£50 million..

      Melwood thatā€™s used by the ladies and academy ? That Melwood ?

      It wasnā€™t fit for purpose and needed a huge upgrade - think it was Ā£10mil was sold for but not sure the price when it was bought back

      As itā€™s the Axa Training facility the sponsership will help pay for it
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      Reply #36124: Jan 16, 2025 08:14:47 pm
      Melwood thatā€™s used by the ladies and academy ? That Melwood ?

      It wasnā€™t fit for purpose and needed a huge upgrade - think it was Ā£10mil was sold for but not sure the price when it was bought back

      As itā€™s the Axa Training facility the sponsership will help pay for it

      So FSG, havenā€™t paid for any works at Kirkby AXA training ground.. thatā€™s shrewd.. use other peopleā€™s money to buy & pay for your asset..👌🏼

      Also Melwood was sold or part of it was sold to Torus affordable housing for Ā£10 million..what happened to that money?

      Edit: Torus sold Melwoid bsck to FSG..
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      Reply #36125: Jan 16, 2025 08:16:53 pm
      Canā€™t keep saying what exactly ?


      The club sells players the same as every single club

      And the money used from selling players is into the pot to help bring in other players

      Whatā€™s the evidence when it comes to ā€œwe only buy when we sellā€ 🤷ā€ā™‚ļø
      Weve spent like 250 mil net in the oast 5 seasons. Thats less than West Ham. This season we basically broke even ( give or take a million or two on either side). We have an againg LB, a few injury prone CBs, a midfield that needs revamping, and issues up front. You can't tell me that of all those issues, we only found one player ( who doesn't appear to even be rated by our manager and almost never plays) to help the club. I can't believe that.

      The club has a certain model that they must work within, and it seems so hard that no one wants to stay in that role for very long (sporting director). There are a ton of great players out there but for whatever reason, we aren't willing to buy them
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #36126: Jan 16, 2025 08:17:06 pm
      So FSG, havenā€™t paid for any works at Kirkby AXA training ground.. thatā€™s shrewd.. use other peopleā€™s money to buy & pay for your asset..👌🏼

      Also Melwood was sold or part of it was sold to Torus affordable housing for Ā£10 million..what happened to that money?

      Seems pretty good to use money coming in to pay for things - imagine that eh

      What other money did you think could be used ?

      And I guess the Ā£10mil went into the club coffers

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      Reply #36127: Jan 16, 2025 08:19:54 pm
      Seems pretty good to use money coming in to pay for things - imagine that eh

      What other money did you think could be used ?

      And I guess the Ā£10mil went into the club coffers



      Thatā€™s right, why canā€™t FSG use revenue to help the manager with a couple of signings in Jan.. ?

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      Reply #36128: Jan 16, 2025 08:20:12 pm
      The club has a certain model that they must work within, and it seems so hard that no one wants to stay in that role for very long (sporting director).

      Michael Edwards was in the role for about 6 years
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      Reply #36129: Jan 16, 2025 08:23:20 pm
      Thatā€™s right, why canā€™t FSG use revenue to help the manager with a couple of signings in Jan.. ?



      I know I wish we were buying as many players as everyone else this winter...

      Oh wait that's right hardly anyone has brought players either.

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      Reply #36130: Jan 16, 2025 08:23:46 pm
      Weve spent like 250 mil net in the oast 5 seasons. Thats less than West Ham. This season we basically broke even ( give or take a million or two on either side). We have an againg LB, a few injury prone CBs, a midfield that needs revamping, and issues up front. You can't tell me that of all those issues, we only found one player ( who doesn't appear to even be rated by our manager and almost never plays) to help the club. I can't believe that.

      The club has a certain model that they must work within, and it seems so hard that no one wants to stay in that role for very long (sporting director). There are a ton of great players out there but for whatever reason, we aren't willing to buy them

      So we have spent a lot of money on players then

      What issues do we have up front?

      We need to take a step back here and just think that maybe the manager sees things differently

      Slot I believe was clear that the squad left by Klopp was very good and it was potentially going to be a season that manager and team above would look and assess going forward - Iā€™m guessing with the club top of both tables and only losing twice all season maybe that judgement was pretty good


      As for Sporting Director - Edwards was at the helm for a long time , Ward left due to the manager getting more power

      Yes we do have a model , itā€™s a model that has the club standing solid on its own two feet

      There are lots of players out there yes - but that doenst mean they are

      Players the manager and scouting staff wants
      Players that are available
      Players that cost viable

      The club works within a budget , thatā€™s not going to change


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      Reply #36131: Jan 16, 2025 08:25:48 pm
      Thatā€™s right, why canā€™t FSG use revenue to help the manager with a couple of signings in Jan.. ?

      If the right signing for the manager was available in Jan and the club felt it was the right time to make the move then they would - just like they have in the past

      Itā€™s amazing how we have managed to get a squad thatā€™s doing so well
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      Reply #36132: Jan 16, 2025 08:52:25 pm
      Weve spent like 250 mil net in the oast 5 seasons. Thats less than West Ham. This season we basically broke even ( give or take a million or two on either side). We have an againg LB, a few injury prone CBs, a midfield that needs revamping, and issues up front. You can't tell me that of all those issues, we only found one player ( who doesn't appear to even be rated by our manager and almost never plays) to help the club. I can't believe that.

      The club has a certain model that they must work within, and it seems so hard that no one wants to stay in that role for very long (sporting director). There are a ton of great players out there but for whatever reason, we aren't willing to buy them
      FSG will oversee LFC's finances, They will monitor how much LFC, as one of their independent companies spend, but generally keep out of the running of "football" matters. If the club was to go into free fall and the profits were threatened, they would step in. This scenario is incredibly unlikely. They will know that Liverpool FC will always attract, and develop top talent, ....they will know the squad (like most elite squads) are made up of about 3/4 exceptional talents, with the rest mostly rank and file good, or even very good. They will also know that ALL players (in any sport) will diminish with time, and will need to be replaced.... When the very top players all age and diminish at the same time creates a problem (we can see it with City this season). FSG will also know that when those top 3/4 players leave...that the club will have to spend big to replace them....again this is fairly infrequent, as the exceptional talent tends to stick around a long time.
      Its' a fact that most players at any club are much of a muchness...it's the super stars who make the difference...we've got 3, maybe 4, and 3 of them are potentially close to leaving this summer.

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