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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: New Owners of LFC
      Reply #15065: Sep 03, 2014 05:16:05 am
      Does it matter if the boss got all the players he wanted?

      Exactly, why are people so obsessed with it?

      I'm here nor there with the owners but I like what they are doing with the redevelopment and they've obviously backed the boss this summer so happy days.
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      Reply #15066: Sep 03, 2014 05:33:32 am
      We are quoted to have spent 33 or so million on transfers net this window. Look at the quality and depth of our squad this season and compare it to last.

      Last Season
      Mignolet
      Jones

      Johnson
      Flanno
      Enrique
      Cissokho
      Toure
      Agger
      Skrtel
      Sakho

      Alberto
      Gerrard
      Coutinho
      Moses
      Henderson
      Lucas
      Allen
      Sterling

      Suarez
      Aspas
      Sturridge

      -----------------Mignolet----------------
      Johnson---Skrtel-----Sakho------Flanno

      -----------------Gerrard-------------------
      -------Henderson--------Coutinho--------
      -----------------Sterling-------------------
      -----------Suarez------Sturridge----------

      This Season
      Mignolet
      Jones
      Possibly Valdes

      Manquillo
      Johnson
      Flanno
      Moreno
      Enrique
      Toure
      Skrtel
      Sakho
      Lovren

      Gerrard
      Coutinho
      Henderson
      Lucas
      Lallana
      Can
      Suso
      Sterling
      Markovic

      Sturridge
      Balotelli
      Lambert
      Borini

      --------------------------Mignolet--------------------------
      Manquillo------Skrtel/Sakho----Lovren-----------Moreno

      --------------------------Gerrard----------------------------
      ------------Henderson------------Coutinho/Lallana--------
      --------------------------Sterling----------------------------
      -------------------Balotelli-----Sturridge--------------------

      Look at the depth and quality of our team now. We have a much improved defense. We added quality players who can provide competition and add more quality to the bench and we have possibly 5 new starters with only one player (Suarez) who left who would crack our starting XI right now.

      All of that for only 33M, excellent window.
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      Reply #15067: Sep 06, 2014 02:39:28 pm
      Good article......

      Author: Si Steers

      How Liverpool and FSG’s plan is coming together
         
      With a return to the Champions League secured within 42 months of acquisition, the FSG master plan for Liverpool is very much taking shape, writes Si Steers.



      It isn’t just about the success on the pitch which has been rapid under the guidance of Brendan Rodgers; it is the top to bottom transformation of the club that has been so impressive.

      Let’s be clear, it hasn’t all been plain sailing since FSG’s arrival. There was a steep learning curve in the early days, and with the lack of both the prestige and finance that the Champions League provides player recruitment hasn’t always been easy.

      But the club is now at a point where the foundations are well set for both long term stability and success, which isn’t down to luck, it is down to the execution of a vision and long term plan that has been developed and tweaked since October 2010.

      42 months sounds like a long time, and it is, but when you are building a football club sensibly and sustainably you don’t see progress overnight. When you look at a snapshot of all areas of the club at this moment it presents a picture of a football club where everything is pointing towards progress.

      The summer window



      The transfer committee has taken a great deal of criticism in previous windows, as high profile targets have slipped through the net. But when you are recruiting and negotiating from a position of weakness (no Champions League) it has a major impact on your ability to recruit your number one targets, especially when gazumped by rivals who can offer what you cannot.

      That doesn’t mean we haven’t learnt things in previous windows, there has been a question mark about how the committee operate, and our ability to negotiate value both in and out of the club. But, this window has been a major success for the committee structure, with the vast majority of our primary targets being recruited at what appears to be good value (aside from perhaps Lallana and Lovren that come with an ‘English’ premium’).

      Ian Ayre deserves credit for his role in getting so many deals over the line, the refusal to buckle to Sevilla’s demands on Moreno paid huge dividends. The signing of Mario Balotelli for just £16m could well be the best bit of business the club has done since signing Suarez.

      On Suarez, the way in which the club managed his exit was professional. Barcelona tried to use the ‘bite’ incident at the world cup to negotiate a lower price, but the club refused to buckle, and demanded the full £75m (reported) release clause. That was a brilliant deal in so many ways; Suarez will turn 28 in January – at the very peak of his powers for possibly 2 more years – and he wouldn’t have been available to play for us until November.

      With the money we have received from Suarez we have been able to rebuild the squad for a relatively small net spend overall. That doesn’t mean the club hasn’t spent, but the dealings in and out of the club will have had a significant impact on our finances which have been in recovery since the arrival of FSG – helping us towards FFP compliance which is something that the club are committed to abiding by.

      The departures of Reina and Agger is two more players that were on ‘pre-FSG’ contracts – Agger did have a renewal under FSG, but the baseline salary will have been determined by the previous regime, so will likely have been way out of kilter with the value to the team.

      It is always sad to see the departure of players that care so much about the club – and Reina and Agger fall into that category. Both have been great servants, but both will benefit from a new challenge.

      The finances



      The wage bill is now likely to be far more in line with that of our rivals. FSG inherited a toxic wage bill that was running at 70% wages to revenue, with our (self-sustainability) rivals such as United, Arsenal and Spurs closer to 50-60%. Moving on players that are being paid more than they are worth is almost an impossible job, and it has taken time to shift those ‘bad contracts’ – there is a line of thought that some players became too complacent on big money contracts – with no incentive to push the limits on performance. Those days are over.

      Ian Ayre has been on record saying that player contracts will now be incentivised, so that good performance is rewarded, and players that push the limits will be paid to recognise that effort. That is exactly how we should want our club to be run.

      The return to the Champions League also opens up the Pandora’s Box of Champions League revenue, which if you can sustain it, can push us towards financial competitiveness. In the short term the return to the Champions League should help our balance sheet to look a bit healthier, which has posted losses every year since FSG’s arrival. In the long term, if we sustain Champions League qualification, it can and will improve our ability to stand toe to toe with the other European powerhouses on recruitment.

      But it isn’t just the Champions League, the movement of players and a realignment of the wage bill that is contributing to our financial performance; it is also our impressive work in the commercial side of the club.

      The lucrative tour to the USA was another brilliant way into the Holy Grail of the US market. ‘Soccer’ is growing so quickly that there is huge opportunity for English clubs to be a part of the revolution. FSG know this, and have Liverpool positioned right at the heart of it.

      The new TV deal in the UK is a massive increase in revenue for all clubs, but in the US the club could potentially own its own TV rights which could be huge. There are new sponsors and partners being announced regularly, that all add to the bottom line. They also go further than that, they all add to the global reach of the club.

      The clubs digital strategy is probably as advanced as any club in the Premier League. There is a hugely impressive digital set up at the club – the reach through social media continues to grow impressively through dedicated accounts – the club has done a great job of engaging its global support through social tools.

      All of this commercial activity bodes well for the clubs future – it’s always going to be success on the pitch that matters to supporters, but money matters in football, and it’s important that we can sustain ourselves.

      The stadium



      One of the key parts of FSG’s master plan was a commitment to a long term stadium solution. This is an issue that has been going around in circles for two decades, and is likely a primary reason that the club slipped backwards during that time.

      You can argue the whys and wherefores of a new stadium v’s redevelopment all day long – in an ideal world, a new stadium that can fit in 70-80,000 supporters in Stanley Park would be great. But it’s not an ideal world – so you have to look at the options available and the resources you have to find a solution that offers the best possible outcome for the club. And that solution, with those barriers, is redevelopment.

      It is impossible to look into the future and understand how many seats you might need to fill demand, when redevelopment is complete Anfield will have close to 60,000 which won’t be enough, but where do you stop?

      The cost of redevelopment will likely be in the region of £150m – which is a huge amount of money – but isn’t a barrier to a new stadium becoming an option in 15-20 years’ time if the club decides they want to go in that direction.

      Redevelopment is an option that works for the club right now, it will increase capacity to allow 15,000 more fans in every game, and it will upgrade an out dated stadium with out-dated facilities. It has worked well at Fenway Park, and it will work well for Anfield.

      On the pitch

      All of the activity that happens off the pitch only matters if it translates to success on it. And all of the signs are that the incredible progress we saw last season wasn’t a one off.



      We still have the core of the side that finished second, and we have added real quality to the squad in a number of positions. It isn’t just the quality we have recruited, it is also the age. Rickie Lambert and Adam Lallana are the only two recruits out of 9 that you would think are anywhere near peak. The likes of Manquillo, Moreno, Markovic, Can, Origi and Balotelli all have the best years ahead of them. Add that to Sterling, Coutinho, Henderson, Sturridge and the squad has so much potential.

      There is work to do defensively, Lovren and Sakho are both still relatively young for centre backs who tend to mature a bit later in careers, but both have the talent. Mignolet will need to cement his role this season if he is to be our long term keeper, he needs to be more dominant and command the defence. But, the early signs the fullback roles could finally be sorted.

      Going forward we are still outstanding when we click. The key to our game is pressing high and moving the ball quickly and incisively through our front players. When we do it well, we are unstoppable. The movement of our forward players is a joy to behold.

      The beauty of this team is that it is still so young, we have very few ‘senior’ players, so the vast majority of this group will grow together – there is a very real prospect that these young players can go on to achieve something special.

      The architect of whatever this team achieves will be Brendan Rodgers, who continues to grow into a very special manager. He has the aura and presence of a man that knows exactly where he wants to go. His ability to develop and grow players is at the heart of the entire model at the club – his idea that the team is the star is absolutely in line with what Liverpool Football Club is about: the collective.

      He now has a team at the academy, led by the impressive Alex Inglethorpe that share the same ideas and philosophy about how Rodgers wants the game to be played, but also the development journey that players need to the first team. The transition from the academy to the first team is going to be an important feature of how the club progresses.

      The plan

      When you look at the snapshot of where the club is at right now, all of the pointers suggest that the only way we are going is forwards. It might not always translate into success on the pitch, as football is never that predictable, no matter how well set you are, but the one thing that is beyond question is we are here now because there is plan that has come together.

      Professional communicator and fanatical Liverpool fan. I write for This is Anfield, Paul Tomkins (The Tomkins Times) and Liverpool FC. 
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: New Owners of LFC
      Reply #15068: Sep 06, 2014 07:04:34 pm
      Brilliant article and exactly how I feel!!. Federer please read and take it in. I for one am excited about the future. I am fully behind FSG. I learnt my lesson with H&G and waited till I saw real progress. For me that was going to Anfield every other week 2012-13 and seeing the football we were playing even though we finished 7th then the news on the stadium. We are well on our way!!. Football Good, Stadium Good, Spending and recruitment good and commercial revenue making real strides. Let's get behind them, they are not H&G x 2. Good days ahead.
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      Reply #15069: Sep 06, 2014 08:56:56 pm
      FSG so far so good and I've been impressed with them - certainly no qualms over their summer business.

      They hired the right man in Rodgers - which to be fair on them, was their first managerial appointment to fit their vision. Staying at Anfield, increasing our revenue by building up our sponsor portfolio (particularly in the States), but more importantly, they had a vision for how they wanted us to play on the pitch too.

      The fact they wanted Liverpool to play fast flowing attractive football makes them fit hand in glove with the traditional playing style of the club, in addition to a desire for a young up and coming manager who would be able to implement his style over the years, in addition to an emphasis on youth. Liverpool should always play the free flowing attacking style we've been used to under Brendan, and it's testament to FSG for wanting that vision (inspired by the hugely successful Ajax and Barca model).

      They're smart and business savvy, and so far, I've been very impressed.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: New Owners of LFC
      Reply #15070: Sep 17, 2014 08:50:56 pm
      @John_W_Henry: Oh and sign Reus!
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      Reply #15071: Sep 17, 2014 08:56:19 pm
      @John_W_Henry: Oh and sign Reus!

      Just saw that! Cheesy eh  :D
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: New Owners of LFC
      Reply #15072: Oct 05, 2014 08:11:49 pm
      I'll put this here because it's probably the execs who are letting this happen.

      Last month it seems they stopped doing the usual little pre match segment on Lfctv, I loved turning that on before our games.
      They probably just do it online now to get more money through subscriptions or adverts or something.
      On the channel it says they are doing schedule work or maintenance or something on the tv broadcast.
      What does that even mean? Weird
      When I had virgin media I had to pay to get extra channels to get lfctv so it's not free.
      If I had cable now I'd be pissed off.

      I haven't come here to moan really, but not only is the pre game thing gone, but they've fu**ed up the picture even more and the aspect ratio is off the screen, it looks worse than a really bad stream you get on the net.

      Just wondering if the standards are acceptable, you either have a channel that is respect worthy for all fans or you have some amateur hour stingy attempt.

      The channel is getting worse, didn't even think that would be allowed in a professional organization, isn't it good marketing and positive for fans to have a dedicated channel that doesn't try rip off it's fan base.

      Honestly, the picture/sound quality is an insult.

      Any thoughts on this anyone? Or do you just think ah well at least there is a channel in the first place?
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      Reply #15073: Oct 17, 2014 11:15:55 am
      Four full years of ownership [on Wednesday past].

      In that time we have won one trophy; enough, in your opinion, to be working with?  :confused-smiley-013:
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      Reply #15074: Oct 17, 2014 11:23:08 am
      Four full years of ownership [on Wednesday past].

      In that time we have won one trophy; enough, in your opinion, to be working with?  :confused-smiley-013:

      Back in the Champs League also. Not bad considering our club was in such a shambles when they took over.
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      Reply #15075: Oct 17, 2014 11:38:40 am
      We are quoted to have spent 33 or so million on transfers net this window. Look at the quality and depth of our squad this season and compare it to last.

      Last Season
      Mignolet
      Jones

      Johnson
      Flanno
      Enrique
      Cissokho
      Toure
      Agger
      Skrtel
      Sakho

      Alberto
      Gerrard
      Coutinho
      Moses
      Henderson
      Lucas
      Allen
      Sterling

      Suarez
      Aspas
      Sturridge

      -----------------Mignolet----------------
      Johnson---Skrtel-----Sakho------Flanno

      -----------------Gerrard-------------------
      -------Henderson--------Coutinho--------
      -----------------Sterling-------------------
      -----------Suarez------Sturridge----------

      This Season
      Mignolet
      Jones
      Possibly Valdes

      Manquillo
      Johnson
      Flanno
      Moreno
      Enrique
      Toure
      Skrtel
      Sakho
      Lovren

      Gerrard
      Coutinho
      Henderson
      Lucas
      Lallana
      Can
      Suso
      Sterling
      Markovic

      Sturridge
      Balotelli
      Lambert
      Borini

      --------------------------Mignolet--------------------------
      Manquillo------Skrtel/Sakho----Lovren-----------Moreno

      --------------------------Gerrard----------------------------
      ------------Henderson------------Coutinho/Lallana--------
      --------------------------Sterling----------------------------
      -------------------Balotelli-----Sturridge--------------------

      Look at the depth and quality of our team now. We have a much improved defense. We added quality players who can provide competition and add more quality to the bench and we have possibly 5 new starters with only one player (Suarez) who left who would crack our starting XI right now.

      All of that for only 33M, excellent window.


      Ive been saying this as well, apart from the loss of suarez the squad is much better.

      If we can bring in another top top striker in the summer we will be even better.

      The slow start has been down to the bad luck with injuries and with new players bedding in, Im confident the next few months will be much better.
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      Reply #15076: Oct 17, 2014 11:40:39 am
      I'll put this here because it's probably the execs who are letting this happen.

      Last month it seems they stopped doing the usual little pre match segment on Lfctv, I loved turning that on before our games.
      They probably just do it online now to get more money through subscriptions or adverts or something.
      On the channel it says they are doing schedule work or maintenance or something on the tv broadcast.
      What does that even mean? Weird
      When I had virgin media I had to pay to get extra channels to get lfctv so it's not free.
      If I had cable now I'd be pissed off.

      I haven't come here to moan really, but not only is the pre game thing gone, but they've fu**ed up the picture even more and the aspect ratio is off the screen, it looks worse than a really bad stream you get on the net.

      Just wondering if the standards are acceptable, you either have a channel that is respect worthy for all fans or you have some amateur hour stingy attempt.

      The channel is getting worse, didn't even think that would be allowed in a professional organization, isn't it good marketing and positive for fans to have a dedicated channel that doesn't try rip off it's fan base.

      Honestly, the picture/sound quality is an insult.

      Any thoughts on this anyone? Or do you just think ah well at least there is a channel in the first place?



      There has been a wee thing during live games saying they are upgrading.?

      Its not been advertised but I think the are upgrading the live facilities to HD or moving stuff about in prepration for the stadium works.
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      Reply #15077: Oct 17, 2014 11:56:41 am
      Back in the Champs League also. Not bad considering our club was in such a shambles when they took over.

      Yip. Defo moving in right direction after the bad yanks fubar'd us.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: New Owners of LFC
      Reply #15078: Oct 17, 2014 12:04:01 pm
      Four full years of ownership [on Wednesday past].

      In that time we have won one trophy; enough, in your opinion, to be working with?  :confused-smiley-013:

      Could put it that way mate.

      Could also put it the closest we've ever come to winning the Premier League last year, back in the CL, expanisions on the stadium moving in the right direction, massive comerical gains and the over-paid, over-rated deadwood we had on the books have been shipped off. But as you say, one trophy isn't good enough for a club of this stature and that's something that needs adressing over the next couple of seasons.

      I think they've made mistakes, but they've also made some good moves. Considering the state the club was in when they took over, I don't think we could have landed many better owners at the time.
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      Reply #15079: Oct 17, 2014 12:05:33 pm
      Indeed... Arsene Wenger & Stan Kronke 'likes' this.  :gt-happyup:

      To be fair I put it no way Danny - I only asked a question.

      I have no problem if folk want to aside winning the one trophy [FSG did, after all] and look instead at the top four finish as reason enough to believe FSG are 'right'.

      I was only looking for opinion/discussion - there's no, real, right or wrong answers.   8)
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      Reply #15080: Oct 17, 2014 12:41:46 pm
      To be fair I put it no way Danny - I only asked a question.

      I was only answering it mate! I thought by your comment of only achieving "one trophy" you were using that as a barometer to measure the overall success of their tenure, if that was intended the case, then no, you'd have to consider them not a success. I was merely suggesting you could it put as 'they have only won one trophy, however they have done etc.' Seems I got the wrong end of the stick! Apologises.
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      Reply #15081: Oct 17, 2014 12:50:05 pm
      I was only answering it mate! I thought by your comment of only achieving "one trophy"
      I get you Danny but I didn't use the word "only" - when you put that in it reads differently and I was careful not to do that.

      The fact is we have one trophy in that time and qualified to play in two others - personally I don't equate "qualification" the same as "winning" but appreciate that others do and... if "qualification" is deemed a good enough 'return', for some, then fair enough.

      That said - neither the trophy or "qualification" [for the Europa League] was good enough for FSG themselves so maybe, like a lot of fans, "qualification" [for Champions League] is all that matters. If that is, in fact, the case then I can see how some folk are happy with FSG's first four years. 8)
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      Reply #15082: Oct 17, 2014 12:53:52 pm
      I get you Danny but I didn't use the word "only" - when you put that in it reads differently and I was careful not to do that.

      Fair enough then fella.

      Four full years of ownership [on Wednesday past].

      In that time we have won one trophy; enough, in your opinion, to be working with?  :confused-smiley-013:

      No.

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      Reply #15083: Oct 17, 2014 12:58:00 pm
      In my opinion, titles and trophies aren't the only barometers of success when evaluating ownership. If it were then I suppose the Glazers would qualify as one of the best ownership entities in the world. But I think we all agree that's the farthest thing from the truth.
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      Reply #15084: Oct 17, 2014 01:01:11 pm
      In my opinion, titles and trophies aren't the only barometers of success when evaluating ownership. If it were then I suppose the Glazers would qualify as one of the best ownership entities in the world.

      But I think we all agree that's the farthest thing from the truth.

      Agreed FL .

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      Reply #15085: Oct 17, 2014 01:05:44 pm
      That being said, some trophies and titles wouldnt hurt right about now.
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      Reply #15086: Oct 17, 2014 01:13:22 pm
      In my opinion, titles and trophies aren't the only barometers of success when evaluating ownership.
      Genuine question: what other measures, do you reckon, we should and could use FL?

      Remembering, of course, that the Glazers have the scum sitting pretty as the wealthiest club in Britain and (thanks to their commitment to FFP) more able to sign top players than any other team.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: New Owners of LFC
      Reply #15087: Oct 17, 2014 01:21:14 pm
      Four full years of ownership [on Wednesday past].

      In that time we have won one trophy; enough, in your opinion, to be working with?  :confused-smiley-013:

      No - but that's the playing side that has failed on the pitch to win more.

      Off the field, I think FSG have done a good enough job thus far to be considered decent owners. They've allowed Rodgers to spend (and Kenny beforehand) whatever we've made. They may not throw their as much of their own money at it, which docks a few brownie points, but they haven't kept every penny we've earned for themselves. They look to of finally secured a deal on redeveloping Anfield (something I've always wanted - never wished to move). They've got the boss signed to a long term deal. They've kept themselves relatively in the background, we're no longer on the back pages because of infighting among manager and owner. They've sorted the debt out.

      They, as owners, have done alright.

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