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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      Reply #23621: Nov 03, 2017 07:10:58 pm
      Well said. At the end of the day they just aren't rich enough. When they took over the money in the game was big, but now the money is HUGE! They won't put their own money in and we don't spend the money we make either.

      All this talk about spending the Coutinho money when we flog him, well what about the pot we had the last two summers that we didn't spend?

      Not rich enough, not football intelligent enough, not ambitious enough and not particularly arsed enough to get us where we need to be.

      They are relative small fry when looking at owners of clubs on a European scale but they stand to make a huge f**king profit and if they can keep us ticking over with false promises of a brighter tomorrow then they will more than happily do that until the timing is right for them to sell us for the highest price they can muster.

      Yep. They're quite happy to sit back, watch the valuation of the club rise and rise thanks to the ballooning tv money and once they feel that has peaked they'll probably sell up.
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      Reply #23622: Nov 04, 2017 11:35:36 am
      Yep. They're quite happy to sit back, watch the valuation of the club rise and rise thanks to the ballooning tv money and once they feel that has peaked they'll probably sell up.

      In a business sense nothing suggests they have any intention of selling up, they have a very viable investment on their hands.
      An investment that produces a very healthy return in these troubled days of economic uncertainty, a very healthy return with zero input.

      NESV, FSG, JWH&Co call them what you will, they will retain LFC for the foreseeable future while it protects their capital from the ravages of inflation, economic downturns and financial uncertainty to mention a few.
      Under the LFC financial umbrella their money is as safe as houses.

      The only factor that could derail the apple cart is a hostile takeover, essentially that would involve a party or parties with considerably more financial clout and commitment than JWH&Co,  The commitment side of things doesn't need too much calculating while the financial aspect is a minefield.
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      Reply #23623: Nov 04, 2017 12:30:59 pm
      I've deleted a couple of off topic posts that were more aimed at having a dig at each other, rather than most of the really good debate that's been going on. There's probably more that I've missed.

      Regardless of what you think of people, try keep the debate respectful ladies and gents. It's really good for people to read both sides of the debate. Many thanks.

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      Reply #23624: Nov 04, 2017 12:37:38 pm
      In a business sense nothing suggests they have any intention of selling up, they have a very viable investment on their hands.
      An investment that produces a very healthy return in these troubled days of economic uncertainty, a very healthy return with zero input.

      NESV, FSG, JWH&Co call them what you will, they will retain LFC for the foreseeable future while it protects their capital from the ravages of inflation, economic downturns and uncertainty to mention a few.
      Under the LFC financial umbrella their money is as safe as houses.

      The only factor that could derail the apple cart is a hostile takeover, essentially that would involve a party or parties with considerably more financial clout and commitment than JWH&Co,  The commitment side of things doesn't need too much calculating while the financial aspect is a minefield.

      A hostile takeover can't be achieved if the shares aren't publicly available.
      The only other option would be to persuade current shareholders to go against FSG (essentially go against their own interests) and that's not viable as JH is the largest shareholder, so they'd have to persuade a lot of people who hold 1% and 2% stakes.

      In other words, it's a fantasy.
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      Reply #23625: Nov 04, 2017 01:45:57 pm
      I've deleted a couple of off topic posts that were more aimed at having a dig at each other, rather than most of the really good debate that's been going on. There's probably more that I've missed.

      Regardless of what you think of people, try keep the debate respectful ladies and gents. It's really good for people to read both sides of the debate. Many thanks.

      totally agree, but if people go out of their way to bait other contributors what do you expect...??

      Anyway back to the topic 
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      Reply #23626: Nov 04, 2017 01:56:23 pm
      totally agree, but if people go out of their way to bait other contributors what do you expect...??

      All's I expect is a decent debate mate.

      That's the end of it.
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      Reply #23627: Nov 14, 2017 10:09:46 pm
      So Henry can turn up to a meaningless friendly between Ingerland and Brazil but can't turn up for Kenny and the club when he should. Clearly got his priorities right.
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      Reply #23628: Dec 17, 2017 08:17:31 am
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      Reply #23629: Dec 17, 2017 08:34:59 am

      Sterling, Suarez, Torres. Three big ones in there.

      Interestingly enough, also the sixth biggest spenders in that time - beating Real Madrid, Arsenal, etc.

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      Reply #23630: Dec 17, 2017 09:26:14 am
      Sterling, Suarez, Torres. Three big ones in there.

      Interestingly enough, also the sixth biggest spenders in that time - beating Real Madrid, Arsenal, etc.



      6th biggest spenders doesn't surprise me to be honest, it's likely due to the amount of money we spend on potential that never hits the heights, or isn't given the chance by a manager that never wanted them!
      I always said less quantity and more quality is the way to go.

      Imagine we'd spent that £591 million on top players, we'd be up there with city!
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      Reply #23631: Dec 17, 2017 01:38:51 pm
      6th biggest spenders doesn't surprise me to be honest, it's likely due to the amount of money we spend on potential that never hits the heights, or isn't given the chance by a manager that never wanted them!
      I always said less quantity and more quality is the way to go.

      Imagine we'd spent that £591 million on top players, we'd be up there with city!

      Rodger's legacy and FSG's naivety in the early days trusting a rookie that they appointed.
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      Reply #23632: Dec 27, 2017 10:26:47 pm
      Being one of FSG's regular critics i must eat yet another slice of humble pie, they have again come up with the goodies and backed Jürgen with the acquisition of Virgil v Djik, £75m seems excessive and probably is, however, if you want top drawer players you need to pay top drawer prices, they have acted swiftly, quietly and got the job done, prior to the window opening, so fair fucks to all concerned,
      I doff my hat and say very well done indeed, fantastic bit of business indeed !



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      Reply #23633: Dec 27, 2017 10:43:21 pm
      Looks like it's a done deal, £75m...serious chunk of change. Bout £30m to much but the market is out of control..just hope we find a seat when the music stops..
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      Reply #23634: Dec 27, 2017 10:46:45 pm
      Not addressing the CB area in the Summer was a disaster.
      Delighted to see Klopp's top target finally signed for January.

      Credit where it's due.
      The quality of VvD & Keita (along with Salah) alleviating some of
      the concern over what happens post Coutinho.

      Ambition. It's been awhile. 
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      Reply #23635: Dec 27, 2017 11:09:49 pm
      Big up Mike Gordon the bridge builder.
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      Reply #23636: Dec 27, 2017 11:10:31 pm
      Not addressing the CB area in the Summer was a disaster.
      Delighted to see Klopp's top target finally signed for January.

      Credit where it's due.
      The quality of VvD & Keita (along with Salah) alleviating some of
      the concern over what happens post Coutinho.

      Ambition. It's been awhile. 

      Slow rebuild but we seem to be getting there..
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      Reply #23637: Dec 27, 2017 11:55:32 pm
      Slow rebuild but we seem to be getting there..

      It was always going to be a slow rebuild. Klopp has a contract with Liverpool for seven years. Not one, not two, not three, seven. It's not his fault or his problem that fans are (wether they are rightly or not) impatient and want things right here, right now.

      A lot of people have always said that you build teams from the back, with a solid defensive base. Do you build a pressing side from the back though? You defend from the front as a unit, so he has mainly been bringing in forwards and midfielders that are able to play that style and slowly but surely he is moving back to the base of midfield and the defence. It's only a matter of time before Mignolet gets either replaced by Karius or he brings in someone else. The goalkeeper was never (I think in his opinion) a pressing issue compared to needing the forwards and midfielders to play his system.

      If you look at his transfer business the last few windows, he has always tried to address problem areas:

      - Lack of cover for Mane / wide forwards. Brought in Salah and Chamberlain who can play there too.
      - Lack of depth in midfield. Brought in Chamberlain, Keita to come in next season.
      - LB was an issue. Brought in Robertson.
      - CB was an issue. Tried to bring in Van Dijk, was patient, ends up getting his target.

      Patience is key. He knows what we need and he has so far fixed most of the problems we have. Two more issues:

      - Holding midfielder with Can who is set to leave
      - Goalkeeper position

      He'll fix it. He has always said that he'd have us challenging after three seasons. I think he's right on track to do that. Our team is starting to look f**king boss.

      Also, who gets credit for this transfer?

      Only Klopp?
      Edwards who managed to close both the Keita and Van Dijk deals?
      The owners who "don't care about winning", for spending a combined 130 million on these two?
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      Reply #23638: Dec 28, 2017 12:42:26 am
      Not addressing the CB area in the Summer was a disaster.
      Delighted to see Klopp's top target finally signed for January.

      Credit where it's due.
      The quality of VvD & Keita (along with Salah) alleviating some of
      the concern over what happens post Coutinho.

      Ambition. It's been awhile. 

      This.

      Trouble is though, no matter how much we improve the defence, we still have a complete liability as first choice keeper who will continue to cost us. VVD is a boss signing and will hopefully be an absolute rock for us, but until the keeper situation is dealt with, it's just damage limitation to an extent.

      Coutinho I would love us to keep but if he goes, it's not the end of the world because the others in attack and we've managed after losing Owen, Fowler, Torres, Suarez as notable key players before so IMO, continuing with Migs, that would be harder to compete with than if we lost Coutinho.
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      Reply #23639: Dec 28, 2017 12:48:07 am
      This.

      Trouble is though, no matter how much we improve the defence, we still have a complete liability as first choice keeper who will continue to cost us. VVD is a boss signing and will hopefully be an absolute rock for us, but until the keeper situation is dealt with, it's just damage limitation to an extent.

      Coutinho I would love us to keep but if he goes, it's not the end of the world because the others in attack and we've managed after losing Owen, Fowler, Torres, Suarez as notable key players before so IMO, continuing with Migs, that would be harder to compete with than if we lost Coutinho.

      Keeper the priority now but, given how quality over quantity seems to be the new Mantra,
      I'm happy that'll be dealt with when the right player becomes available.
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      Reply #23640: Dec 28, 2017 12:50:42 am
      Keeper the priority now but, given how quality over quantity seems to be the new Mantra,
      I'm happy that'll be dealt with when the right player becomes available.

      Fingers crossed!

      As it goes, reckon that Ederson would have been ideal for us, think City have a good one there. Very quick off his line and never loses his bottle. Literally gets brutally smashed in the face by a player's studs and still goes flying out a week later. Migs is scared of his own shadow.
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      Reply #23641: Dec 28, 2017 01:10:16 am
      Fingers crossed!

      As it goes, reckon that Ederson would have been ideal for us, think City have a good one there. Very quick off his line and never loses his bottle. Literally gets brutally smashed in the face by a player's studs and still goes flying out a week later. Migs is scared of his own shadow.

      I think Karius is like that but almost too far.
      Calm him down a bit and he'd be great.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #23642: Dec 28, 2017 01:22:06 am
      Looks like it's a done deal, £75m...serious chunk of change. Bout £30m to much but the market is out of control..just hope we find a seat when the music stops..

      In a world where Stones costs 50m, Luiz costs 50m, Walker costs 55m & Mendy costs 52m, Van Dijk is worth more than 45m.
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      Reply #23643: Dec 28, 2017 01:26:50 am
      In a world where Stones costs 50m, Luiz costs 50m, Walker costs 55m & Mendy costs 52m, Van Dijk is worth more than 45m.

      Saw online earlier someone saying Lindeloaf cost 35mill and VVD is at least twice the player so fee is about right. Lad has a point when putting it like that :laugh:

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