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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #24900: Aug 07, 2018 01:54:00 pm
      Investment is one thing but even that has dried up recently. And they're pretty stale compared to their direct competition in terms of off-field competitiveness.
      Are they not still buying players, they also had the second highest transfer spend in 2017/18 season £202m only behind City...and one the 2016/17 title
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      Reply #24901: Aug 07, 2018 01:56:28 pm
      Surprise, surprise.

      Did you know Abramovich is owed over £1bn in which he will take back from Chelsea at some point?

      Awesome investment model.
      Mate, at least he has the confidence to invest his own money in to the club,believing that he can make the brand successful enough to repay that money, something FSG has not done
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      Reply #24902: Aug 07, 2018 02:05:57 pm
      Are they not still buying players, they also had the second highest transfer spend in 2017/18 season £202m only behind City...and one the 2016/17 title

      Where did that get them..

      Mate, at least he has the confidence to invest his own money in to the club,believing that he can make the brand successful enough to repay that money, something FSG has not done

      Only confident knowing he will get his loans back.. When you spend a £billion you expect to progress on/off the pitch..Chelase have regressed & look more and more likely to become a spent force...

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      Reply #24903: Aug 07, 2018 03:21:53 pm
      Where did that get them..

      Only confident knowing he will get his loans back.. When you spend a £billion you expect to progress on/off the pitch..Chelase have regressed & look more and more likely to become a spent force...
      They have been winning trophies on a regular basis since the Roman took over and grown the fan base world wide especially among  the African nations so were is the nation that Chelsea have made little to no progress off field?
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #24904: Aug 07, 2018 03:37:40 pm


      Surprise, surprise.

      Did you know Abramovich is owed over £1bn in which he will take back from Chelsea at some point?

      Awesome investment model.


      As opposed to JWH&Co who are owed f**k all by LFC because the put f**k all into the club.

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      Reply #24905: Aug 07, 2018 03:47:42 pm
      Small margins but we could have had 3 Trophies under Klopp...but let's blame owners..

      One trophy in 8 years is a failing, no cabinet for 'nearly'.
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      Reply #24906: Aug 07, 2018 03:50:16 pm
      As opposed to JWH&Co who are owed f**k all by LFC because the put f**k all into the club.
      He can claim it at some later point.
      « Last Edit: Aug 07, 2018 04:20:38 pm by nikos »
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      Reply #24907: Aug 07, 2018 04:00:21 pm
      Mate, at least he has the confidence to invest his own money in to the club,believing that he can make the brand successful enough to repay that money, something FSG has not done

      He has invested over £1bn after purchasing and the entire club is valued at £1.5bn. There is no way they are repaying that figure in his life time without gutting the sh*t out of them and leaving them in a mess.

      FSG bought us for £300m and would sell the club for over £2bn.

      How the f**k have they not invested in the club and managed to increase the value by nearly 600%?

      As opposed to JWH&Co who are owed f**k all by LFC because the put f**k all into the club.



      You’re special.

      Managing to completely deflect a ONE BILLION POUND loan after you praised his investment strategy.
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      Reply #24908: Aug 07, 2018 04:09:37 pm
      He can claim it at some later point.

      I've no doubt mate.
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      Reply #24909: Aug 07, 2018 04:35:18 pm
      He has invested over £1bn after purchasing and the entire club is valued at £1.5bn. There is no way they are repaying that figure in his life time without gutting the sh*t out of them and leaving them in a mess.

      FSG bought us for £300m and would sell the club for over £2bn.

      How the f**k have they not invested in the club and managed to increase the value by nearly 600%?

      You’re special.

      Managing to completely deflect a ONE BILLION POUND loan after you praised his investment strategy.

      You're a f**king cracker.
       
      F**k Chelski anyway but they have more trophies than us in the last 8 years

      JWH&Co have not "invested" in LFC!!
      They got us out of the clutches of H&G with £260m....bought the undoubted asset that LFC represents for  £260m!!
      A f**king gift as the consequent year on year profitability proved.

      The stadium was extended with a loan to the club further boosting the club's market value, estimated at well over £1bn at this moment in time.

      Where in that statement of fact is there any mention of any monies put into the club by the owners apart from the initial bargain £260m acquisition payment?

      The profits have been generated on the back of LFC while JWH contemplates the success of his bargain holding in his Boston enclave.

      These facts have also been described to you previously but you seem to feign amnesia for whatever reason.
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      Reply #24910: Aug 07, 2018 05:40:17 pm
      He has invested over £1bn after purchasing and the entire club is valued at £1.5bn. There is no way they are repaying that figure in his life time without gutting the sh*t out of them and leaving them in a mess.

      FSG bought us for £300m and would sell the club for over £2bn.

      How the f**k have they not invested in the club and managed to increase the value by nearly 600%?
      LFC is value at a little shy of £1.5bn which means FSG 300m is actually nearer a 530% increase and they have managed this
      by mainly using the Clubs money, and Ad revenues and promoting the brand worldwide, and not investing their own money

      You say that Chelsea is worth 1.5bn?...  Abramovich paid £140m for the club that's 1,020% plus on his investment

      He wanted to buy and demolish the old Battersea power station to build a new stadium for Chelsea but, the Council turned him down
      Plus Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich has rejected a £2 billion offer for the club as recently as June 2018... Sound like commitment to me

      Would be interesting to see if FSG was offered 2bn for Liverpool just how long they would hang around for
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      Reply #24911: Aug 07, 2018 05:53:19 pm
      You're a f**king cracker.
       
      F**k Chelski anyway but they have more trophies than us in the last 8 years

      JWH&Co have not "invested" in LFC!!
      They got us out of the clutches of H&G with £260m....bought the undoubted asset that LFC represents for  £260m!!
      A f**king gift as the consequent year on year profitability proved.

      The stadium was extended with a loan to the club further boosting the club's market value, estimated at well over £1bn at this moment in time.

      Where in that statement of fact is there any mention of any monies put into the club by the owners apart from the initial bargain £260m acquisition payment?

      The profits have been generated on the back of LFC while JWH contemplates the success of his bargain holding in his Boston enclave.

      These facts have also been described to you previously but you seem to feign amnesia for whatever reason.

      So what you are effectively lobbying for is to be run by businessmen that aren’t very smart at business?

      In other words, you want businessmen that put in their own money to try and turn a profit vs businessmen who leverage the equity of their investment?

      So you are looking for a fairy tale then. Just to be clear.

      It’s called OPM Stuart and it’s always proved to be the smartest way to get ahead in business. If you don’t know the acronym I’m sure someone can explain it to you in eloquent terms.
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      Reply #24912: Aug 07, 2018 05:59:35 pm
      So what you are effectively lobbying for is to be run by businessmen that aren’t very smart at business?

      In other words, you want businessmen that put in their own money to try and turn a profit vs businessmen who leverage the equity of their investment?

      So you are looking for a fairy tale then. Just to be clear.

      It’s called OPM Stuart and it’s always proved to be the smartest way to get ahead in business. If you don’t know the acronym I’m sure someone can explain it to you in eloquent terms.

      tbh I've never see so much energy expended on a subject that people can do f**k all about; it's one thing if the discussion freshen's up and new opinions are exchanged...but 6-7 years running and it's the exact same everything.

      Could have resolved world peace and hunger with the amount of brain power sucked into the topic ;)
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      Reply #24913: Aug 07, 2018 06:02:41 pm
      Small margins but we could have had 3 Trophies under Klopp...but let's blame owners..
      lack of numbers and quality in the squad leaving a threadbare team at the most important part of the season if its not the club then they should have sacked Jürgen for failing three times despite them backing him fully????.
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      Reply #24914: Aug 07, 2018 06:03:45 pm
      LFC is value at a little shy of £1.5bn which means FSG 300m is actually nearer a 530% increase and they have managed this
      by mainly using the Clubs money, and Ad revenues and promoting the brand worldwide, and not investing their own money

      No, but whatever.

      Would you prefer they used consultants and outside expertise rather than their own, and run up massive bills as a consequence?

      You people really don't think things through, do you, in your quest for more pluses.
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      Reply #24915: Aug 07, 2018 06:12:41 pm
      tbh I've never see so much energy expended on a subject that people can do f**k all about; it's one thing if the discussion freshen's up and new opinions are exchanged...but 6-7 years running and it's the exact same everything.

      Could have resolved world peace and hunger with the amount of brain power sucked into the topic ;)

      I just play bullshit bingo now.

      "feed the asset" check

      "undoubted asset" check

      "Boston enclave" check

      and so on ad infinitum

      And now we have people praising a Russian crook for loaning the money to chelsea while at the same time, berating our owner for doing the same.

      Cognitive dissonance doesn't even begin to describe it  :laugh:
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      Reply #24916: Aug 07, 2018 06:31:18 pm
      LFC is value at a little shy of £1.5bn which means FSG 300m is actually nearer a 530% increase and they have managed this
      by mainly using the Clubs money, and Ad revenues and promoting the brand worldwide, and not investing their own money

      You say that Chelsea is worth 1.5bn?...  Abramovich paid £140m for the club that's 1,020% plus on his investment

      He wanted to buy and demolish the old Battersea power station to build a new stadium for Chelsea but, the Council turned him down
      Plus Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich has rejected a £2 billion offer for the club as recently as June 2018... Sound like commitment to me

      Would be interesting to see if FSG was offered 2bn for Liverpool just how long they would hang around for


      This has been posted numerous times yet he clings to the fallacy that JWH&Co are responsible for the £1.5bn market value amassed on the brand LFC while not contributing whatsoever apart from 260m at the outset.
      When the owners decide to cash in is unclear, when the scenario of sitting back and doing next to nothing while your asset increases by 500% of the original stake is very much a reality, they won't be going anywhere soon.
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      Reply #24917: Aug 07, 2018 06:37:18 pm
      tbh I've never see so much energy expended on a subject that people can do f**k all about; it's one thing if the discussion freshen's up and new opinions are exchanged...but 6-7 years running and it's the exact same everything.

      Could have resolved world peace and hunger with the amount of brain power sucked into the topic ;)


      Nothing has changed for 8 years, the owners are still minting it and refuse to put any money into the club.
      The same pissed off criticism will prevail while the owners keep their hands in their pockets.
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      Reply #24918: Aug 07, 2018 06:41:57 pm
      So what you are effectively lobbying for is to be run by businessmen that aren’t very smart at business?

      In other words, you want businessmen that put in their own money to try and turn a profit vs businessmen who leverage the equity of their investment?

      So you are looking for a fairy tale then. Just to be clear.

      It’s called OPM Stuart and it’s always proved to be the smartest way to get ahead in business. If you don’t know the acronym I’m sure someone can explain it to you in eloquent terms.

      I'm looking for owners who follow the business maxim of feeding an asset.
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      Reply #24919: Aug 07, 2018 06:48:48 pm
      Nothing has changed for 8 years, the owners are still minting it and refuse to put any money into the club.
      The same pissed off criticism will prevail while the owners keep their hands in their pockets.

      That's all well and good Stu, just don't see the point in discussing the same thing ad nausea...Yeah if there were some major developments or changes then i would expect this thread to be pretty active.

      The fact as you mentioned that nothing has changed in 8 years and it may not change for another 8 years for all we know makes it even more confusing.

      Point/Counterpoint...Point/Counterpoint....they are all exactly the same and have not changed....saying the same things over and over and over (both pro/con) isn't going to change one single thing nor is either side of the argument going to move they're stance.

      Like i said seems like a whole lot of energy spent for nothing.
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      Reply #24920: Aug 07, 2018 07:12:12 pm
      LFC is value at a little shy of £1.5bn which means FSG 300m is actually nearer a 530% increase and they have managed this
      by mainly using the Clubs money, and Ad revenues and promoting the brand worldwide, and not investing their own money

      You say that Chelsea is worth 1.5bn?...  Abramovich paid £140m for the club that's 1,020% plus on his investment

      He wanted to buy and demolish the old Battersea power station to build a new stadium for Chelsea but, the Council turned him down
      Plus Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich has rejected a £2 billion offer for the club as recently as June 2018... Sound like commitment to me

      Would be interesting to see if FSG was offered 2bn for Liverpool just how long they would hang around for


      Abramovich paid £140m...AND SPENT ANOTHER ONE BILLION.

      He didn’t make 1000%. Not even bloody close.

      This has been posted numerous times yet he clings to the fallacy that JWH&Co are responsible for the £1.5bn market value amassed on the brand LFC while not contributing whatsoever apart from 260m at the outset.
      When the owners decide to cash in is unclear, when the scenario of sitting back and doing next to nothing while your asset increases by 500% of the original stake is very much a reality, they won't be going anywhere soon.

      :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

      You’re either a liar or an extremely ignorant human being. Either way, I can’t help you understand.

      Read our financial reports. They’re online.
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      Reply #24921: Aug 07, 2018 07:19:39 pm


      You’re either a liar or an extremely ignorant human being. Either way, I can’t help you understand.

      Read our financial reports. They’re online.

      Who prepares the "financial reports" online?

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      Reply #24922: Aug 07, 2018 07:25:07 pm
      That's all well and good Stu, just don't see the point in discussing the same thing ad nausea...Yeah if there were some major developments or changes then i would expect this thread to be pretty active.

      The fact as you mentioned that nothing has changed in 8 years and it may not change for another 8 years for all we know makes it even more confusing.

      Point/Counterpoint...Point/Counterpoint....they are all exactly the same and have not changed....saying the same things over and over and over (both pro/con) isn't going to change one single thing nor is either side of the argument going to move they're stance.

      Like i said seems like a whole lot of energy spent for nothing.

      It isn't a waste of time Erik when the original criticism is as valid today as it ever was, probably more so with the value of the club put at £1.4 bn.
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      Reply #24923: Aug 07, 2018 08:17:58 pm
      I'm looking for owners who follow the business maxim of feeding an asset.

      Oh, so it’s grown from 200m+ to 1.4b without being fed? Interesting. Because if I gained that much weight you are sure as hell I enjoyed eating my way there 😂😂

      You are lost in the sauce bro, you don’t even know what you are arguing for anymore. :lmao:
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      Reply #24924: Aug 07, 2018 08:36:43 pm
      Oh, so it’s grown from 200m+ to 1.4b without being fed? Interesting. Because if I gained that much weight you are sure as hell I enjoyed eating my way there 😂😂

      You are lost in the sauce bro, you don’t even know what you are arguing for anymore. :lmao:

      You miss the point, rather you choose to ignore the obvious, FSG have done nothing practically to affect the £1.4bn increased worth of the club, it has been generated on the back of LFC as stated earlier, some time earlier actually.

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