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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #25750: Jan 14, 2020 01:47:52 pm
      Man City's figures raise massive eyebrows. Absolutely no chance that they are "legitimately" taking in more money than us - they can't even fill their f**king stadium! Dodgy deals to sidestep FFP... And they have the cheek to accuse us of bending the rules
      It's all here.
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      Reply #25751: Jan 14, 2020 01:51:03 pm
      From someone on Reddit -

      "–]AdamTreff 3 points 4 hours ago
      Liverpool become the third English club to break the £500m barrier and retain seventh place in this year’s Money League. The club will now have the clubs above them in its sights rather than those behind. Revenue increased £77.9m (17%) following a strong season that saw them crowned Champions League winners and finish an agonisingly close second to Manchester City in the Premier League, emphasising the virtuous cycle of on-pitch success and positive financial performance.

      Broadcast revenue increased £41.2m (19%) due to greater UEFA distributions and the club receiving the highest Premier League distribution. Commercial growth of £34.6m (23%) was fuelled by sponsor bonuses from a successful Champions League campaign and greater exploitation of Anfield, with the venue hosting summer concerts for the first time since 2008, in a bid to develop the stadium into a genuine year-round visitor attraction.

      Liverpool are expected to retain seventh place in next year’s Money League, particularly if the club captures its first Premier League title and enjoys a run to the latter stages of the Champions League once again. Whilst it is unlikely that Liverpool will improve its placing next year due to new commercial deals signed by Manchester City, long-term ambitions of a top five Money League position in future editions are not unrealistic. The Reds recently opted not to renew their technical kit agreement with New Balance to strike a deal with Nike, to support efforts to monetise the power of their brand globally. The new deal provides access to a global distribution network that could improve the sale of club merchandise and subsequently increase commercial revenue."

      https://old.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/eodkv0/deloitte_money_league_liverpool_at_7th/

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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #25752: Jan 14, 2020 04:15:41 pm
      what about La Liga being paid £200 mil for their Super Cup being played in the middle East what with the King of SPain bank rolling Madrid its not really a level playing field is it
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      Reply #25753: Jan 14, 2020 04:37:26 pm
      We have to thank NESV for keeping their promise. Obviously, they are in for the money like any business but they were not greedy and helped us come back to our expected standard.
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      Reply #25754: Jan 14, 2020 04:58:14 pm
      We have to thank NESV for keeping their promise. Obviously, they are in for the money like any business but they were not greedy and helped us come back to our expected standard.

      We've been very fortunate to have them, like you say I'm sure they've made profits from the club but I hope it's a relationship that lasts for many more years.
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      Reply #25755: Feb 06, 2020 04:50:35 pm
      https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51405897. Gonna be some kind of fume from the red sox sports journos,they just got rid of their best player, red sox season is over etc etc.
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      Reply #25756: Feb 06, 2020 05:52:23 pm
      https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51405897. Gonna be some kind of fume from the red sox sports journos,they just got rid of their best player, red sox season is over etc etc.

      That rounders stuff can get back in the box, if FSG haven't realised it yet, we're ten times bigger than the Red Sox.
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      Reply #25757: Feb 06, 2020 06:35:37 pm
      We've been very fortunate to have them, like you say I'm sure they've made profits from the club but I hope it's a relationship that lasts for many more years.

      They don't take money out except for a wage (Directors salaries)

      They'll make their money when they sell us.

      Although that might be a long way off yet since Mike Gordon is responsible for us (Henry runs Red Sox)

      I don't think it's a coincidence that since he took over the running, the club has gone from strength to strength, and our transfer process improved dramatically.
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      Reply #25758: Feb 06, 2020 06:51:01 pm
      That rounders stuff can get back in the box, if FSG haven't realised it yet, we're ten times bigger than the Red Sox.

      Yeah f**k it, use the money to get us some full back cover instead 😂.

      No issue with Fenway making a mint when they sell the club. Took a while but they finally have their transfer policy nailed on. Not sure who ultimately is responsible for the comings and goings, but I cant remember the last one we got wrong.

      Surely in the last 3 or 4 seasons we must have got the most bang for our buck compared to any of our competitors both here and across Europe.

      Now we are in a position to only sign players when the need is there, and when the right one comes along. Polar opposite to Uniteds scattergun approach.
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      Reply #25759: Feb 06, 2020 06:57:33 pm
      Yeah f**k it, use the money to get us some full back cover instead 😂.

      No issue with Fenway making a mint when they sell the club. Took a while but they finally have their transfer policy nailed on. Not sure who ultimately is responsible for the comings and goings, but I cant remember the last one we got wrong.

      Surely in the last 3 or 4 seasons we must have got the most bang for our buck compared to any of our competitors both here and across Europe.

      Now we are in a position to only sign players when the need is there, and when the right one comes along. Polar opposite to Uniteds scattergun approach.

      Almost got it down to way the club was during the Smith/Robinson days, only coming out now making statements when they absolutely have to and leaving the footy stuff to Jürgen.
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      Reply #25760: Feb 08, 2020 05:06:59 pm
      Almost got it down to way the club was during the Smith/Robinson days, only coming out now making statements when they absolutely have to and leaving the footy stuff to Jürgen.

      Who knows where we would be without the genius of the best manager in world?

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      Reply #25761: Feb 08, 2020 05:08:16 pm
      Who knows where we would be without the genius of the best manager in world?



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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #25762: Feb 08, 2020 05:50:02 pm
      Who knows where we would be without the genius of the best manager in world?


      A manager also needs support from the ownership - but of course you will never give them that credit
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      Reply #25763: Feb 08, 2020 05:51:46 pm
      Almost got it down to way the club was during the Smith/Robinson days, only coming out now making statements when they absolutely have to and leaving the footy stuff to Jürgen.

      its hard to believe that club has taken this long to realise we already a formula for success . Your spot on with the links to the past there are so many similarities with the " sense of togetherness " within the club and in the stadiums both home and away is reminiscent of the 60's and 70's. I put a large part of this down to Jürgen and his staff.
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      Reply #25764: Feb 08, 2020 06:04:51 pm
      It's really very simple.

      There is no individual responsible for our current success.
      That's not how organisations of this size work.

      Everybody does their part, from Gordon to Klopp to the people who make the meals.

      Just one of those parts not functioning as it should means the whole organisation becomes less efficient, and at this level, a 2% drop in efficiency is a huge amount.

      Klopp has spoken about this quite a few times
      The team is not just the coaches, medics and players.
      It is everyone at the club all pulling in the same direction.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #25765: Feb 14, 2020 09:26:51 am
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      Reply #25766: Feb 16, 2020 02:18:16 pm
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      Reply #25767: Feb 17, 2020 01:56:58 pm
      Was just thinking a while back that it'll soon be 10 years in charge for FSG.

      We know they had some teething troubles when they first came in, they got some pretty big things wrong, but to be fair, acted quickly to correct them.
      I'm thinking of Commoli at this point, who would eventually be sacked.
      It also took time to get the club financially stable, and people shouldn't underestimate how difficult a task this can be.

      After the departure of KK, we had Rodgers, a strangely up his own arse kind of chap, who nevertheless had some pretty solid idea's, and alomst took us to the title.
      Ultimately though, we failed, and it became noticeable that the job was too big for him.

      The turn around in efficiency in transfers, which had previously seemed laboured, coincided with Mike Gordon upping his FSG stake to 12% (2nd largest shareholder), and taking on sole responsibility for LFC while Henry concentrated on the Red Sox and other US holdings.
      Between them, Gordon and Edwards would not only streamline our recruitment process, but also modernise it, utilising computer metrics to find players to fit.
      They didn't want stars, they wanted to make them, and they soon started making a much bigger impact, with their masterstroke, the appointment of Jürgen Klopp.
      We went from a bunch of people pulling in different directions, to a single unit all working together towards a common goal.

      It was exactly what we needed.

      Klopp assembled his squad, but also showed his willingness to listen to his recruitment team, most noticeably, about Salah.

      In the meantime, the stadium was expanded, a new training ground planned, and now further expansion is in the works.

      It finally brought the club up to date.

      Sponsorship, while always decent, really started to pour in, and they made some canny deals.

      2 CL finals, 1 win, and now it looks like we are going to win the one that matters most.

      I'd say you can roughly split their tenure into 2 parts; the first where things were not quite right, then the second where things clicked into place.

      10/10 since they brought Klopp in.

      6 or 7/10 before that.

      They've done what they said they would.
      It's taken a bit longer than many of us would like, but we're getting there.

      Perhaps it's time to give them a bit more credit.

      Edit;
      They have expanded their activity with some surprising purchases
         Boston Red Sox
      Liverpool F.C.
      Fenway Park
      Anfield
      Roush Fenway Racing (50%)
      Pawtucket Red Sox (10%)
      Salem Red Sox
      Fenway Sports Management
      New England Sports Network (80%)
      MGM Music Hall at Fenway
      Fenway Sports Group Real Estate
      Fenway Music Company
      « Last Edit: Feb 17, 2020 02:04:00 pm by Swab »
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #25768: Feb 17, 2020 03:02:50 pm
      Was just thinking a while back that it'll soon be 10 years in charge for FSG.

      We know they had some teething troubles when they first came in, they got some pretty big things wrong, but to be fair, acted quickly to correct them.
      I'm thinking of Commoli at this point, who would eventually be sacked.
      It also took time to get the club financially stable, and people shouldn't underestimate how difficult a task this can be.

      After the departure of KK, we had Rodgers, a strangely up his own arse kind of chap, who nevertheless had some pretty solid idea's, and alomst took us to the title.
      Ultimately though, we failed, and it became noticeable that the job was too big for him.

      The turn around in efficiency in transfers, which had previously seemed laboured, coincided with Mike Gordon upping his FSG stake to 12% (2nd largest shareholder), and taking on sole responsibility for LFC while Henry concentrated on the Red Sox and other US holdings.
      Between them, Gordon and Edwards would not only streamline our recruitment process, but also modernise it, utilising computer metrics to find players to fit.
      They didn't want stars, they wanted to make them, and they soon started making a much bigger impact, with their masterstroke, the appointment of Jürgen Klopp.
      We went from a bunch of people pulling in different directions, to a single unit all working together towards a common goal.

      It was exactly what we needed.

      Klopp assembled his squad, but also showed his willingness to listen to his recruitment team, most noticeably, about Salah.

      In the meantime, the stadium was expanded, a new training ground planned, and now further expansion is in the works.

      It finally brought the club up to date.

      Sponsorship, while always decent, really started to pour in, and they made some canny deals.

      2 CL finals, 1 win, and now it looks like we are going to win the one that matters most.

      I'd say you can roughly split their tenure into 2 parts; the first where things were not quite right, then the second where things clicked into place.

      10/10 since they brought Klopp in.

      6 or 7/10 before that.

      They've done what they said they would.
      It's taken a bit longer than many of us would like, but we're getting there.

      Perhaps it's time to give them a bit more credit.

      Edit;
      They have expanded their activity with some surprising purchases
         Boston Red Sox
      Liverpool F.C.
      Fenway Park
      Anfield
      Roush Fenway Racing (50%)
      Pawtucket Red Sox (10%)
      Salem Red Sox
      Fenway Sports Management
      New England Sports Network (80%)
      MGM Music Hall at Fenway
      Fenway Sports Group Real Estate
      Fenway Music Company

      Second half of the decade has been pretty brilliant. From the hiring of Klopp, the completion of the Main Stand, the signings, becoming a force in Europe once again, resulting in last year's Champions League win & hopefully bookmarking their first decade almost perfectly with a league title being won in the most exceptional way.

      Done some good work off the field too, the £9 Local General sale they introduced upon completion of the Main Stand is brilliant and obviously the development of the Annie Rd end will help ease the crazy demand for tickets a lot more.

      As far as owners go we've got pretty lucky. The fact that they seem to leave their egos at the door when it comes to putting right some of the mistakes they've made is a priceless quality and an almost polar opposite to what the Glazers seem to be doing down the road
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      Reply #25769: Feb 17, 2020 03:50:14 pm
      Second half of the decade has been pretty brilliant. From the hiring of Klopp, the completion of the Main Stand, the signings, becoming a force in Europe once again, resulting in last year's Champions League win & hopefully bookmarking their first decade almost perfectly with a league title being won in the most exceptional way.

      Done some good work off the field too, the £9 Local General sale they introduced upon completion of the Main Stand is brilliant and obviously the development of the Annie Rd end will help ease the crazy demand for tickets a lot more.

      As far as owners go we've got pretty lucky. The fact that they seem to leave their egos at the door when it comes to putting right some of the mistakes they've made is a priceless quality and an almost polar opposite to what the Glazers seem to be doing down the road

      When they first came in, I did a lot of work finding out everything I could about them, especially Henry, and it was immediately clear to me, that they were the exact opposite of the 2 vultures who came before them.
      Henry made a very successful career out of taking long term assets, and building them up, before selling them, and was quite scathing about people like H&G who were the archetypal asset strippers.

      However, it wasn't until Mike Gordon increased his stake that we really started to take off.
      Obviously, he still reports to Henry, who is head of the group, but a 12% stake in FSG, pretty much gives Gordon control of LFC, and although information about him is hard to come by, it appears the LFC bug has bitten him, and I fully expect him to take over should Henry decide to sell.
      Hopefully that's not for a good while yet, but assuming I'm correct, our stability would be assured long term, and by that I mean for the next 20 years at least.
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      Reply #25770: Feb 17, 2020 04:00:52 pm
      Is he still a rent-boy supporting knobhead?

      wow, way to not show respect to the guy who managed to find us the owners who have given us this success!
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      Reply #25771: Feb 17, 2020 04:14:53 pm
      wow, way to not show respect to the guy who managed to find us the owners who have given us this success!

      He didn't find NESV or bring them to the club.
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      Reply #25772: Feb 17, 2020 04:19:05 pm
      When they first came in, I did a lot of work finding out everything I could about them, especially Henry, and it was immediately clear to me, that they were the exact opposite of the 2 vultures who came before them.
      Henry made a very successful career out of taking long term assets, and building them up, before selling them, and was quite scathing about people like H&G who were the archetypal asset strippers.

      However, it wasn't until Mike Gordon increased his stake that we really started to take off.
      Obviously, he still reports to Henry, who is head of the group, but a 12% stake in FSG, pretty much gives Gordon control of LFC, and although information about him is hard to come by, it appears the LFC bug has bitten him, and I fully expect him to take over should Henry decide to sell.
      Hopefully that's not for a good while yet, but assuming I'm correct, our stability would be assured long term, and by that I mean for the next 20 years at least.

      Well that is a very pleasant scenario I had not thought about. I wonder if Gordon would fund that purchase with shares of the Red Sox, FSG, etc.

      Regardless, their management of the club is increasingly a success story. I think people fail to recognize the important of financial viability before the team can be built into what it is now. They should especially grasp this though in light of what is going on with Man City. Owners cannot just dump, dump, dump their own money in, even if they feel like it. They have to build an economically viable (for the 21st century) institution and that is what FSG have done. Of course they couldn't have done it without all the tangibles and intangibles of such a special club culture, history and host community, but we've seen  that even having that doesn't make success an automatic.

      The club is in good hands.
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      Reply #25773: Feb 17, 2020 04:37:03 pm
      Well that is a very pleasant scenario I had not thought about. I wonder if Gordon would fund that purchase with shares of the Red Sox, FSG, etc.

      Regardless, their management of the club is increasingly a success story. I think people fail to recognize the important of financial viability before the team can be built into what it is now. They should especially grasp this though in light of what is going on with Man City. Owners cannot just dump, dump, dump their own money in, even if they feel like it. They have to build an economically viable (for the 21st century) institution and that is what FSG have done. Of course they couldn't have done it without all the tangibles and intangibles of such a special club culture, history and host community, but we've seen  that even having that doesn't make success an automatic.

      The club is in good hands.

      It's hard to find reliable information about Gordon.
      He keeps very much out of the limelight, and doesn't even have a wiki page. I find this very refreshing.
      His 12% share of FSG is probably close to $1 billion.
      He's an Asset Manager, and by all accounts, a very good one so he's not poor, and considering his wealth will increase year on year, I'd say it's a good bet he will eventually take sole control of us, with maybe a silent partner in the background.
      He's currently the 2nd largest shareholder in FSG, with Henry owning 40%, and all others 10% or less.

      He's done a cracking job since he upped his stake.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #25774: Feb 17, 2020 06:31:49 pm
      wow, way to not show respect to the guy who managed to find us the owners who have given us this success!

      Couldn't give a f**k he's a Chelsea fan, f**king hell we have to thank him for giving FSG a bargain!!

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