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      Reply #28267: Jun 10, 2021 01:13:51 pm
      Whilst I now refuse to engage in dialogue with blind, biased NESV fans with no manners I definitely think you work for the owners.

      It wouldn't be a wild thought for them to employ people who visit Liverpool fan forums and garner up support for them.

      In the board meetings you're probably told to defend them blindly, add a lot of clever spreadsheet pics that amount to nothing and label anyone who oposses as not real fans. Go for the secret Manc accusation that always works. That'll get other posters behind you.

      Your defense of them is so extreme that the only logical answer is you work for them

      And there we have the stupidity of the "hate them whatever they do" idiots.

      Anyone who doesn't jump on the puerile bandwagon is a "shill" or "working for FSG".

      Grow up you clown.
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      Reply #28268: Jun 10, 2021 01:14:17 pm
      Basically the master plan!

      The longer they remain the more they accumulate, the ultimate cash cow proposition!

      LFC is a speculator/market player's dream, guaranteed improved financial results year on year.
      Sitting on an ever-increasing pot of gold comes to mind, methinks we are stuck with these Scrooges for some time.

      Concerning part is this, if they accept a Ā£3 billion offer which they entitled to do, I canā€™t see a new owner then ploughing more money into the team, it would leave us exposed to player sales, these inflated prices for clubs should concern everyone.
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      Reply #28269: Jun 10, 2021 01:14:18 pm
      Really don't think the f**king idiot would have the qualification to be in the employ of any market players or any post that demanded joined up thinking and just plain common sense.

      You need a good long hard look in the mirror - repetitive nonsense whilst avoiding direct questions that challenge the nonsense you continue to post

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      Reply #28270: Jun 10, 2021 01:16:20 pm
      Then name the stand after that player.

      The smart money would sell the standā€™s naming rights for additional sponsorship/commercial revenue.

      The Nike stand, or the Virgin stand? Which would you like? And how about Xiaomi, Red Bull or Audi? Choose your allegiance.

      This greedy fan points out the opportunity cost in naming the Kremlin Road stand after KD. Imagine how much that would bring in if we switched KD to a corporate sponsor like say DK - Donna Karan.

      Hey whereā€™s FSGā€™s greed? Why havenā€™t they done that? Those greedy bas**rds should do it!
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      Reply #28271: Jun 10, 2021 01:19:25 pm
      Concerning part is this, if they accept a Ā£3 billion offer which they entitled to do, I canā€™t see a new owner then ploughing more money into the team, it would leave us exposed to player sales, these inflated prices for clubs should concern everyone.

      Not many that can afford that level of money


      Only people are the state sponsered oil barons - the likes that We have always pointed fingers at in regards Chelsea , City and PSG
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      Reply #28272: Jun 10, 2021 01:30:29 pm
      Concerning part is this, if they accept a Ā£3 billion offer which they entitled to do, I canā€™t see a new owner then ploughing more money into the team, it would leave us exposed to player sales, these inflated prices for clubs should concern everyone.

      This makes a lot of sense. I wanted a new owner whoā€™s the answer to all me wimp and fancy. Me hatred of those greedy bas**rds is so strong that Iā€™d do anything to see them off our beloved club. Them leaving is a good outcome and the solution to all me perceived problems they bring. But if they leave at Ā£3b, whatā€™s left to strengthen the squad for the new owner?

      I must be naive or shortsighted. Iā€™ll start cursing the new owner when thereā€™s no money to strengthen the squad. Good luck to meself finding the perfect owner who can take FSG out at Ā£3b and fund even more transfers.

      But weā€™re already winning trophies bar the injury season. Why am I so concerned about new players? I think itā€™s me constant obsession topic that new players are the solution to all on pitch weaknesses. Where thereā€™s no money for new players, blame FSG. Me going mental in circles.
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      Reply #28273: Jun 10, 2021 01:50:32 pm

      Concerning part is this, if they accept a Ā£3 billion offer which they entitled to do, I canā€™t see a new owner then ploughing more money into the team, it would leave us exposed to player sales, these inflated prices for clubs should concern everyone.

      The situation after they F**k off (if and when) is a concern - how much of an agreed buy-out figure would they claim?
      Would the new owners plough monies into the footballing aspect of LFC or use it as a loan facility much like the Glazers?
      Maybe they would carry on where FSG left off and depend on the genius or not of the manager to strengthen the asset,

      Whatever happens it will be to the advantage of the owners, that scenario has not always been mutual.
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      Reply #28274: Jun 10, 2021 01:53:13 pm
      Concerning part is this, if they accept a Ā£3 billion offer which they entitled to do, I canā€™t see a new owner then ploughing more money into the team, it would leave us exposed to player sales, these inflated prices for clubs should concern everyone.

      They do concern me, and they have done since uber rich foreign owners started buying into the Premier League.

      We have no idea when or if FSG will sell, but reading between the lines, it looks like empire building rather than a fast quid.

      I really don't know how I feel about that.
      Liverpool is likely to be the Flagship club for any European expansion of the group, and as such, they'll want maximum exposure, which in turn means winning as much as possible.

      I reckon these types of groups are going to become more common, with owners having one big club, and several (or many) smaller clubs, both as feeders and revenue generators.

      Wealth always accumulates assets, and the trick then is to increase the worth of those assets.
      This doesn't necessarily mean selling them once they reach a certain level, it can also mean clout, prestige and power.
      Exactly the things billionaoires look for, because they cannot spend all the money they already have.
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      Reply #28275: Jun 10, 2021 04:06:01 pm

      We have no idea when or if FSG will sell, but reading between the lines, it looks like empire building rather than a fast quid.


      Why do you have to read between the lines?

      FSG said they have no interest in selling the team
      FSG has no history selling teams
      FSG does not sell cash cows
      Cash cows finance their future ambitions
      And FSG has stated they are buyers (not sellers) for undervalued Euro assets to compliment/fortify LFC

      And for those who accurately stated that FSG did indeed just sell 11% of their assets for a very tidy sum, understand FSG received more than just a big chunk of cash that will be used to finance their next play, FSG now has a heavily invested partner with expertise in the region/enterprises that most interest FSG.

      Like it or not, LFC is simply a large piece of an ever expanding empire.
      Save your keystrokes and settle down for the long haul.
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      Reply #28276: Jun 10, 2021 05:25:31 pm
      Why do you have to read between the lines?

      FSG said they have no interest in selling the team
      FSG has no history selling teams
      FSG does not sell cash cows
      Cash cows finance their future ambitions
      And FSG has stated they are buyers (not sellers) for undervalued Euro assets to compliment/fortify LFC

      And for those who accurately stated that FSG did indeed just sell 11% of their assets for a very tidy sum, understand FSG received more than just a big chunk of cash that will be used to finance their next play, FSG now has a heavily invested partner with expertise in the region/enterprises that most interest FSG.

      Like it or not, LFC is simply a large piece of an ever expanding empire.
      Save your keystrokes and settle down for the long haul.

      That's how i see it too, but will be interesting to see how it plays out in the future as Henry ages (he's about 70).
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      Reply #28277: Jun 10, 2021 05:56:02 pm
      Why do you have to read between the lines?



      Because they're still dickheads - their involvement in the ESL proves that!!
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      Reply #28278: Jun 10, 2021 06:22:56 pm
      Because they're still dickheads - their involvement in the ESL proves that!!

      Not many owners that arenā€™t dickheads these days unfortunatly

      Letā€™s hope itā€™s a learning curve for them
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      Reply #28279: Jun 10, 2021 06:50:32 pm
      So why did it take 20 plus years for our club to do it then ?

      Klopp has spent over Ā£500mil - he isnā€™t working on some shoestring budget

      VVD - Ā£80mil
      Alisson - Ā£60mil
      Fabinho -Ā£50mil
      Keita -Ā£50mil
      Mane -Ā£30mil
      Salah -Ā£40 mil
      Gini -Ā£25mil
      Ox -Ā£35mil
      Kounte -Ā£35mil
      Jota -Ā£45mil
      Thiago -Ā£25mil


      Ā£550mil since he has taken over the club - he isnā€™t bargain basement hunting. He has been able to buy some quality players and those quality players are scouted etc by that huge technical team behind him.


      Klopp is outstanding , he has made errors at times but he knows exactly how he needs the team behind him to function - the single biggest factor for the success is not one person - itā€™s how all the people work together to provide the platform for the manager to do his job


      There are two main reasons it took so long to win the league.

      One is that our previous owners were a complete and utter disaster. Years and years of commercial mismanagement and neglect culminated in the club needing to be rescued from near bankruptcy and in that time the Munts pulled way ahead of us whilst other clubs came to the fore and established themselves as our competitors.

      Any half-decent owner that came in was bound to be an improvement due to the potential inherent in being the most successful football club in the country. Why should it be seen as commercial wizardry to take advantage of opportunities that were there all along?

      The second and most important reason is the manager.  It doesnā€™t matter how many fancy names people like give to the support staff and the organisation around the team ā€” whether it is ā€˜management structuresā€™, ā€˜technical analystsā€™, ā€˜senior management teamā€™ ā€” in order to affect an air of business savvy; all of this means absolutely nothing if the guy who has the overriding say in who we sign and how they are coached, managed and developed doesnā€™t know what heā€™s doing.
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      Reply #28280: Jun 10, 2021 07:07:14 pm
      There are two main reasons it took so long to win the league.

      One is that our previous owners were a complete and utter disaster. Years and years of commercial mismanagement and neglect culminated in the club needing to be rescued from near bankruptcy and in that time the Munts pulled way ahead of us whilst other clubs came to the fore and established themselves as our competitors.

      Any half-decent owner that came in was bound to be an improvement due to the potential inherent in being the most successful football club in the country. Why should it be seen as commercial wizardry to take advantage of opportunities that were there all along?

      The second and most important reason is the manager.  It doesnā€™t matter how many fancy names people like give to the support staff and the organisation around the team ā€” whether it is ā€˜management structuresā€™, ā€˜technical analystsā€™, ā€˜senior management teamā€™ ā€” in order to affect an air of business savvy; all of this means absolutely nothing if the guy who has the overriding say in who we sign and how they are coached, managed and developed doesnā€™t know what heā€™s doing.


      I donā€™t think anyone has suggested itā€™s ā€œcommercial wizardryā€ but the owners have done everything they have stated


      The barren 20 plus years before them we had nothing but white noise and disappointments - we finally get owners in who get the right people in to finally get the club into picking up the right riches that are needed - so they deserve credit for doing that - and also doing it sensibly to ensure the club is solid.


      And in regards the manager - he canā€™t do it on his own , doesnā€™t matter how good a manager that person is, he will still need the platform given to him for him to help build on - Klopp isnā€™t all about the individual, he is about the team with every little cog being as equal and important as the next person. If the manager doesnā€™t have the right tools then he isnā€™t going to perform miracles.


      Hence why Klopp has been backed very well in the market to bring in the players he wants


      Overall the whole club package right now is providing the club both success and sustainability for the future. We arenā€™t rely on someoneā€™s back pocket , we arenā€™t relying on bank loans - we rely on the club working together both on and off the field
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      Reply #28281: Jun 10, 2021 07:18:28 pm
      There are two main reasons it took so long to win the league.

      One is that our previous owners were a complete and utter disaster. Years and years of commercial mismanagement and neglect culminated in the club needing to be rescued from near bankruptcy and in that time the Munts pulled way ahead of us whilst other clubs came to the fore and established themselves as our competitors.

      Any half-decent owner that came in was bound to be an improvement due to the potential inherent in being the most successful football club in the country. Why should it be seen as commercial wizardry to take advantage of opportunities that were there all along?

      The second and most important reason is the manager.  It doesnā€™t matter how many fancy names people like give to the support staff and the organisation around the team ā€” whether it is ā€˜management structuresā€™, ā€˜technical analystsā€™, ā€˜senior management teamā€™ ā€” in order to affect an air of business savvy; all of this means absolutely nothing if the guy who has the overriding say in who we sign and how they are coached, managed and developed doesnā€™t know what heā€™s doing.

      It goes both ways, though. It doesn't matter how good a coach is, if he is not supported by ownership he isn't going to succeed.

      If instead of Van Dijk, Fabinho, Mane, Bobby and Salah Klopp had to work with Sakho, Leiva, Ojo, Solanke and Wilson, he's not winning anything here.

      And considering the only other investor who reportedly bid on Liverpool at the time of the sale was Peter Lim, who then went on to buy Valencia and has made a mess out of it, there weren't many "half-decent" people willing to buy the team.
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      Reply #28282: Jun 10, 2021 08:06:12 pm

      I donā€™t think anyone has suggested itā€™s ā€œcommercial wizardryā€ but the owners have done everything they have stated


      The barren 20 plus years before them we had nothing but white noise and disappointments - we finally get owners in who get the right people in to finally get the club into picking up the right riches that are needed - so they deserve credit for doing that - and also doing it sensibly to ensure the club is solid.


      And in regards the manager - he canā€™t do it on his own , doesnā€™t matter how good a manager that person is, he will still need the platform given to him for him to help build on - Klopp isnā€™t all about the individual, he is about the team with every little cog being as equal and important as the next person. If the manager doesnā€™t have the right tools then he isnā€™t going to perform miracles.


      Hence why Klopp has been backed very well in the market to bring in the players he wants


      Overall the whole club package right now is providing the club both success and sustainability for the future. We arenā€™t rely on someoneā€™s back pocket , we arenā€™t relying on bank loans - we rely on the club working together both on and off the field

      The manager has been backed by just about enough and not a great deal more than has been necessary to achieve success. This ā€˜backingā€™ consisted of essentially spending  nothing beyond what we brought in through player sales for three of his six seasons. Where we have spent money, the very fact that weā€™ve been able to make major signings  is in no small part down to the fact weā€™ve been successful on the pitch in the first place ā€” Coutinho doesnā€™t go for Ā£140m if he isnā€™t playing in such a way that Barce think they are singing the next Brazilian superstar. We donā€™t have the revenues to pay the wages or the promise of success to lure the best players if we arenā€™t getting to CL finals or challenging in the league.

      Often when it is said that Klopp should be grateful that he has been given the tools to do the job, the same people proceed to list players he has helped turn into some of the best players in the league ā€” Robertson, Trent, Mo, Sadio, Bobby ā€” as if they were already world class players to begin with. Similarly the fact that we spend more on wages than before or paid out big wage bonuses after winning the CL and league is because he has built a team that has been so successful. This is presented as further evidence of ā€˜backingā€™ when it is really a reflection of the manager being phenomenally good at his job.
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      Reply #28283: Jun 10, 2021 08:15:22 pm
      It goes both ways, though. It doesn't matter how good a coach is, if he is not supported by ownership he isn't going to succeed.

      If instead of Van Dijk, Fabinho, Mane, Bobby and Salah Klopp had to work with Sakho, Leiva, Ojo, Solanke and Wilson, he's not winning anything here.

      And considering the only other investor who reportedly bid on Liverpool at the time of the sale was Peter Lim, who then went on to buy Valencia and has made a mess out of it, there weren't many "half-decent" people willing to buy the team.

      It does not go both ways in equal measure, though, and that is the point. Klopp has been successful  and would be successful without FSG. By contrast, it is much harder to think of many managers who would be able to achieve the same level of success under FSG.
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      Reply #28284: Jun 10, 2021 08:19:16 pm
      The manager has been backed by just about enough and not a great deal more than has been necessary to achieve success. This ā€˜backingā€™ consisted of essentially spending  nothing beyond what we brought in through player sales for three of his six seasons. Where we have spent money, the very fact that weā€™ve been able to make major signings  is in no small part down the fact weā€™ve been successful on the pitch in the first place ā€” Coutinho doesnā€™t go for Ā£140m if he isnā€™t playing in such a way that Barce think they are singing the next Brazilian superstar. We donā€™t have the revenues to pay the wages or the promise of success to lure the best players if we arenā€™t getting to CL finals or challenging in the league.

      Often when it is said that Klopp should be grateful that he has been given the tools to do the job, the same people proceed to list players he has helped turn into some of the best players in the league ā€” Robertson, Trent, Mo, Sadio, Bobby ā€” as if they were already world class players to begin with. Similarly the fact that we spend more on wages than before or paid out big wage bonuses after winning the CL and league is because he has built a team that has been so successful. This is presented as further evidence of ā€˜backingā€™ when it is really a reflection of the manager being phenomenally good at his job.

      The manager has spent over Ā£560 million since he arrived at the club - he doesnt scrimp and save for pennies , Ā£560million on multiple players which have already been highlighted- does it matter where the money comes from , is VVD a better signing if the Ā£80mil came from a different source ?

      Itā€™s all part of the make up of how the team works - and itā€™s exactly how we worked in the 80ā€™s when I grew up , the club sold players and others arrived to replace them , there was no big pot of golf to dip into , the club worked within their financial boundaries and used their outstanding scouting and coaching team to build winning teams - they were bought using an endless purse of money as if player a football simulator

      As for the wage bill - through out the 90ā€™s and 00ā€™s we lost out on multiple players because the club didnā€™t pay the big wages as well as offer the wage increases to keep players , itā€™s as key to keeping a team successful and together as is winning trophies and buying players - even more so when itā€™s incentive based


      I donā€™t think anyone has suggested Klopp should be ā€œgratefulā€ or that he isnā€™t doing an outstanding job - itā€™s more the fact that Klopp canā€™t do it on his own - Klopp himself has said that yet some fans dismiss it


      Itā€™s like when things donā€™t go well the owners get the blame for not giving the manager the tools - one person canā€™t get all the credit when it goes well and one person canā€™t get all the blame when it doesnā€™t
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      Reply #28285: Jun 10, 2021 08:22:47 pm
      The manager has spent over Ā£560 million since he arrived at the club - he doesnt scrimp and save for pennies , Ā£560million on multiple players which have already been highlighted- does it matter where the money comes from , is VVD a better signing if the Ā£80mil came from a different source ?

      Itā€™s all part of the make up of how the team works - and itā€™s exactly how we worked in the 80ā€™s when I grew up , the club sold players and others arrived to replace them , there was no big pot of golf to dip into , the club worked within their financial boundaries and used their outstanding scouting and coaching team to build winning teams - they were bought using an endless purse of money as if player a football simulator

      As for the wage bill - through out the 90ā€™s and 00ā€™s we lost out on multiple players because the club didnā€™t pay the big wages as well as offer the wage increases to keep players , itā€™s as key to keeping a team successful and together as is winning trophies and buying players - even more so when itā€™s incentive based


      I donā€™t think anyone has suggested Klopp should be ā€œgratefulā€ or that he isnā€™t doing an outstanding job - itā€™s more the fact that Klopp canā€™t do it on his own - Klopp himself has said that yet some fans dismiss it


      Itā€™s like when things donā€™t go well the owners get the blame for not giving the manager the tools - one person canā€™t get all the credit when it goes well and one person canā€™t get all the blame when it doesnā€™t


      Net spend.. I guess you have seen the figures.. 😂

      Iā€™m still trying to work out the Ā£317 million in wages & who earns it...
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      Reply #28286: Jun 10, 2021 08:33:51 pm
      Net spend.. I guess you have seen the figures.. 😂

      Iā€™m still trying to work out the Ā£317 million in wages & who earns it...

      Who cares about net spend ? Does it matter 🤷ā€ā™‚ļø

      The wage bill was highlighted in the accounts was it not

      This will be the base without bonuses


      https://lfcglobe.co.uk/liverpool-fc-players-wages-contract-details/

      https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpools-surging-wage-bill-how-20473228.amp

      It includes new contract bonuses etc
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      Reply #28287: Jun 10, 2021 08:49:45 pm
      Net spend.. I guess you have seen the figures.. 😂

      Iā€™m still trying to work out the Ā£317 million in wages & who earns it...

      net spend  :laugh:

      Paying 150M for Mbappe = we are backing JĆ¼rgen and can compete
      Waiting to get Mbappe on a free = we are not backing JĆ¼rgen and cannot compete

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      Reply #28288: Jun 10, 2021 08:52:16 pm
      net spend  :laugh:

      Paying 150M for Mbappe = we are backing JĆ¼rgen and can compete
      Waiting to get Mbappe on a free = we are not backing JĆ¼rgen and cannot compete

      Mbappe on a free lmao

      Every club, worth a mention, in world football will be submitting a contract to him.

      Have you seen what happens when we have to compete with other clubs to sign a player?
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      Reply #28289: Jun 10, 2021 08:54:39 pm
      Mbappe on a free lmao

      Every club, worth a mention, in world football will be submitting a contract to him.

      Have you seen what happens when we have to compete with other clubs to sign a player?


      Which players are you talking about ?


      How about VVD ? Didnā€™t he turn down both City and Chelsea ?


      If Mbappe is going for a free there is every chance would have a chance to get him - why wouldnā€™t we ?

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