Trending Topics

      Next match: LFC v Brighton [Premier League] Sun 31st Mar @ 2:00 pm
      Anfield

      Today is the 28th of March and on this date LFC's match record is P26 W11 D3 L12

      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

      Read 2642486 times
      0 Members and 61 Guests are viewing this topic.
      Lallana in Pyjamas
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 12,479 posts | 3285 
      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29463: Nov 16, 2021 12:28:13 pm
      Which is all fair enough, but also surely it’s fair enough if others feel they could do more or go the extra mile?
      Surely it doesn’t have to be one or the other, so black and white? You either are in your camp or way over in the other


      It’s a fair point - what is this “extra mile” though - the manager has said on a number of occasions that he has no issues with the recruitment, with the squad , with the way the transfers work and has stated that when they need a player they get him ? So is it the fans just deciding that the club need to spend more and buy more ?

      Quote
      That’s what can get frustrating in these types of debates, everyone thinks their view is completely right where the truth often is somewhere in the middle where both sides have valid and correct points

      For me what you say is for the most part absolutely valid.. however you can see from the other side that it’s also valid that a fair few of the players we have now we wouldn’t have without selling players previously thought of as vital. Now yes they may have wanted to leave, and if anyone does then no problem, but it’s absolutely valid that the players who have replaced them wouldn’t be here had they not left. So again it’s valid to say that

      Who we would have bought or wouldn’t have bought is unknown - players leave and they replace them , some want to leave , some they decided just aren’t at the level needed and sell but they clearly do well in the transfer market

      I can really only think of the one player who i would have been desperate to keep - Suarez. The rest not really and them leaving allowed the club to move on

      Quote
      I saw yesterday that you say about the 1b spend since they arrived, again valid.. however it only works out just over 20m a season over their time, which again is valid that couldn’t we at some point have spent more to solidify our position
      It’s valid to say about the 1b but it’s also valid to say had we not sold near on 800m then that 1b would be a pipe dream


      All depends on what figure you want to use - it seems a modern thing that the net spend is key ? Not for me it isn’t - for example when we sold Keegan and bought Kenny - all that mattered was we bought a class player - same when we sold Rush and bought Beardsley and Barnes - net spend was nearly zero but we improved the squad , back then we didn’t cry about net spend. We sold Coutinho and used that money to improve the squad - who cares what the net spend is if we improve the squad

      Quote
      The wage bill is a more viable yard stick, we have increased that over the years to reflect the players we have, fair play, a valid point.
      However the flip side is the Salah point, not to the point I actually don’t think it won’t be sorted but if it is, and I hope it is obviously, but the only way we revitalise this squad is by selling a big hitter, the evidence is there so isn’t debatable, so who goes to finance that? Because it won’t be done on a 20m yearly transfer spend, but the real sellable assets are getting older, unless one is sold this upcoming summer you have to wonder about the regeneration of this squad

      The club have worked very hard to try and bring in more commercial money to allow more money to be spent - that has took a hit due to COVID so I’m expecting there to be more money to be available to spend when we start to get the Nike money for example , match day revenue etc. i don’t concentrate on figures though - it’s always about what players arrive and how they improve the squad
      Quote
      All vital points for me, it doesn’t have to be you’re either in one camp or the other
      They have done some fantastic things, they have done some sh*te.. they have rebuilt the club within their structure.. the next rebuild of it will either upset a lot - ie Salah is sold - or will be a start again process - ie Klopp sees out his current deal and leaves and this squad gets old with that process and loses sellable value, and we know they won’t fund that themselves


      At the end of the day they decided on a model of how the club will be run - that’s not going to change , they aren’t going to take loans or spend their own money to buy players. No amount of crying on social media will change that


      But thank you for responding in a respectful manner and being open to discussion
      « Last Edit: Nov 16, 2021 12:38:45 pm by Lallana in Pyjamas »
      waltonl4
      • Forum Legend - Shankly
      • ******

      • 37,585 posts | 7139 
      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29464: Nov 16, 2021 12:44:57 pm
      the point I constanly make and worry about is FSG put in about ÂŁ300mil-ÂŁ400mil the club is worth according to some over ÂŁ3billion. When FSG come upon hard times or get too old they will cash  in and they will take every penny of value out of this club strangely enough leaving us in similar trouble to Hicks and Gillette as the New  Owners will have to find a lot of money down the sofa or borrow to buy the club and then we know what happens next. So for all the young kids now starting out following LFC we need to protect the club for them
      Lallana in Pyjamas
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 12,479 posts | 3285 
      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29465: Nov 16, 2021 12:52:18 pm
      the point I constanly make and worry about is FSG put in about ÂŁ300mil-ÂŁ400mil the club is worth according to some over ÂŁ3billion. When FSG come upon hard times or get too old they will cash  in and they will take every penny of value out of this club strangely enough leaving us in similar trouble to Hicks and Gillette as the New  Owners will have to find a lot of money down the sofa or borrow to buy the club and then we know what happens next. So for all the young kids now starting out following LFC we need to protect the club for them

      I can’t understand this thought process ?


      They bought the club


      It’s worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it


      If they do sell it then that money goes to them - why wouldn’t they ? Do you expect them to sell the club but then only take 50% and give the club the other ? How does that work ?


      I’m struggling to understand the thought process

      If the club is sold the new owner will have a club with a superb squad an updated stadium , a better commercially viable club than previously ?
      skamp
      • Forum Emlyn Hughes
      • ****

      • 834 posts | 306 
      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29466: Nov 16, 2021 12:59:35 pm
      Can't wait till we lose another match...
      Lallana in Pyjamas
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 12,479 posts | 3285 
      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29467: Nov 16, 2021 02:11:54 pm
      Can't wait till we lose another match...

      A draw also does it 😁
      CT_LFC
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 6,782 posts | 1395 
      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29468: Nov 16, 2021 02:23:10 pm

      Giving up a lead is often enough as well, even if we win at the end.
      racerx34
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 33,581 posts | 3826 
      • THE SALT IN THE SOUP
      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29469: Nov 16, 2021 02:47:06 pm
      Topic locked for now.
      JD
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 39,529 posts | 6887 
      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29470: Nov 17, 2021 12:34:39 pm
      Topic unlocked.

      Christmas for me is a time that I have to spend money, which makes my fuse a little bit shorter.  I would ask all users to do their very best to debate the topics and not call each other names.  That way I'll have no reason to hand out any further warnings.  Let's all call it 'being an adult.'
      waltonl4
      • Forum Legend - Shankly
      • ******

      • 37,585 posts | 7139 
      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29471: Nov 17, 2021 01:07:19 pm
      I can’t understand this thought process ?


      They bought the club


      It’s worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it


      If they do sell it then that money goes to them - why wouldn’t they ? Do you expect them to sell the club but then only take 50% and give the club the other ? How does that work ?


      I’m struggling to understand the thought process

      If the club is sold the new owner will have a club with a superb squad an updated stadium , a better commercially viable club than previously ?

      you clearly dont care what happens to the club in the future when two cowboys turn up with a 3 day loan that then gets transferred to the club with interest payments equivalent to buying a Mo every season. Try thinking about what happens next
      FL Red
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 31,048 posts | 6294 
      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29472: Nov 17, 2021 02:01:23 pm

      The Wall Street Journal
      @WSJ
      The Pittsburgh Penguins hockey team is in talks to be sold to Fenway Sports Group, owner of the Boston Red Sox, people familiar with the matter say


      Wonder if that's where the Redbird money is going. You know, the money that was supposed to bolster LFC during Covid.
      shabbadoo
      • Forum Legend - Shankly
      • ******

      • 29,420 posts | 4581 
      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29473: Nov 17, 2021 02:18:38 pm
      The Wall Street Journal
      @WSJ
      The Pittsburgh Penguins hockey team is in talks to be sold to Fenway Sports Group, owner of the Boston Red Sox, people familiar with the matter say


      Wonder if that's where the Redbird money is going. You know, the money that was supposed to bolster LFC during Covid.

      Possible or the monies coming in from the new USA TV rights deal bringing in about ÂŁ400 million allegedly for FSG...🤷🏻‍♂️
      brezipool
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 9,452 posts | 1735 
      • Mon the Red Machine !
      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29474: Nov 17, 2021 03:21:41 pm
      Topic unlocked.

      Christmas for me is a time that I have to spend money, which makes my fuse a little bit shorter.  I would ask all users to do their very best to debate the topics and not call each other names.  That way I'll have no reason to hand out any further warnings.  Let's all call it 'being an adult.'

       :gt-happyup:

      Or go with the old wives saying of.......

      Nothing good to say, then say nothing.  :lmao:
      Lallana in Pyjamas
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 12,479 posts | 3285 
      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29475: Nov 17, 2021 03:21:52 pm
      you clearly dont care what happens to the club in the future when two cowboys turn up with a 3 day loan that then gets transferred to the club with interest payments equivalent to buying a Mo every season. Try thinking about what happens next

      I’m not sure how my post showed that I don’t care what happens next 🤷‍♂️


      But everything you describe above is what happened when the club was sold to H&G


      What can someone do about who owners sell the club to and what they do when it’s sold ? Nothing


      They could sell the club to a multi bullionare who then decides not just keep taking money out of the club - aka Ashley at Newcastle


      There won’t be much the fans can do about that
      Lallana in Pyjamas
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 12,479 posts | 3285 
      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29476: Nov 17, 2021 03:23:21 pm
      The Wall Street Journal
      @WSJ
      The Pittsburgh Penguins hockey team is in talks to be sold to Fenway Sports Group, owner of the Boston Red Sox, people familiar with the matter say


      Wonder if that's where the Redbird money is going. You know, the money that was supposed to bolster LFC during Covid.


      The only people that said where the Redbird money was going was the media - it was nothing but speculation at the end of the day.
      FL Red
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 31,048 posts | 6294 
      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29477: Nov 17, 2021 03:40:11 pm

      The only people that said where the Redbird money was going was the media - it was nothing but speculation at the end of the day.

      True, why would be silly enough to think that money would be of benefit to the club.
      Lallana in Pyjamas
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 12,479 posts | 3285 
      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29478: Nov 17, 2021 03:43:00 pm
      True, why would be silly enough to think that money would be of benefit to the club.

      The money was to FSG for buying a part of their company - so would seem standard that they either give the money out to the share holders or use the money to expand their portfolio.
      Keith Singleton
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 16,662 posts | 2656 
      • Sir Lewis Hamilton
      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29479: Nov 17, 2021 04:26:33 pm

      That never lasted long  ;D
      waltonl4
      • Forum Legend - Shankly
      • ******

      • 37,585 posts | 7139 
      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29480: Nov 17, 2021 05:08:55 pm
      The money was to FSG for buying a part of their company - so would seem standard that they either give the money out to the share holders or use the money to expand their portfolio.

      people on here not all but many find your swift responses to every post about FSG quite telling. You defend everything about them but the man I mentioned earlier Bill Shankly would not give them the time of day. He was an honest man a decent man, he would be just baffled at how the club he and his team built from nothing other than a distant history ended up a billionaires plaything to do with as they see fit.
      Lallana in Pyjamas
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 12,479 posts | 3285 
      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29481: Nov 17, 2021 06:13:08 pm
      people on here not all but many find your swift responses to every post about FSG quite telling.



      Sorry I’m not sure what the protocol is when responding to posts ? Is there a specific time lime

      Quote


      You defend everything about them


      I’m sorry but I’m sure I recall walking out of the game at protest of the ticket prices and certainly wasn’t impressed in regards the super league.


      Quote
      but the man I mentioned earlier Bill Shankly would not give them the time of day. He was an honest man a decent man, he would be just baffled at how the club he and his team built from nothing


      Let’s be honest here - the game is hugely different to what the game was when Shanks was in charge - it’s a huge commercial business now and I very much doubt Shanks would like anything about the modern game and have anything to do with any modern owners - could you see him being impressed with the oil Billionares - would that sit in with his socialist views ?


      Quote
      other than a distant history ended up a billionaires plaything to do with as they see fit.

      I don’t understand the idea they see the club as a plaything ? The club stands on its own financially as a club and day to day run is left to the club with little input from FSG -some are critical of that yet you think they see the club as a plaything ? Surely that’s the sort of thing the oil Billionaires do ?

      If you said they see the club as an asset in their sports portfolio then that’s understandable because that’s no doubt what they see

      So what sort of owners do you want ?

      Right now within the Premiership - it’s dominated by very rich people owning clubs for their gains - whether that be financially or in some ego thing

      I don’t believe there are the “perfect” owner who “love the club” and then also spend their own money out of “love” for the club - it’s just not possible in modern football
      ed603em
      • Forum Emlyn Hughes
      • ****

      • 727 posts | 111 
      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29482: Nov 17, 2021 06:45:09 pm
      Again, I'm sorry that I'm not going to pat FSG on the back for hiring someone widely considered the best coach (available or otherwise for some) in world football, 

      He might be considered that now but he wasn't when he left Dortmund ... highly thought of, yes, but when he joined us he was a long way off that status
      ed603em
      • Forum Emlyn Hughes
      • ****

      • 727 posts | 111 
      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29483: Nov 17, 2021 06:47:02 pm
      No they shouldn't be irresponsible with the club's finances, but they are so far from that right now, all people want is a little ambition, that's it. Now if you want to argue whether we've been ambitious, have at it......but don't try and tell me FSG aren't in it for the money because every move they make shows that they are.

      Again ... second highest wages in the league - we pay our players more than Chelsea, more that United ... and you're asking for "a little ambition"?
      FL Red
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 31,048 posts | 6294 
      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29484: Nov 17, 2021 06:48:26 pm
      He might be considered that now but he wasn't when he left Dortmund ... highly thought of, yes, but when he joined us he was a long way off that status


      That's not true at all. He was the hottest name in World Football, hence why Man United wanted him as well. Stop kidding yourself.
      FL Red
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 31,048 posts | 6294 
      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29485: Nov 17, 2021 06:49:08 pm
      Again ... second highest wages in the league - we pay our players more than Chelsea, more that United ... and you're asking for "a little ambition"?

      You mean 4th....

      https://www.spotrac.com/epl/payroll/

      Quick Reply