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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29486: Nov 17, 2021 06:54:18 pm

      I'll bite.

      I want FSG without the ticket price hikes, the trademark crap, the Super League and the furloughs. They've been good at developing the commercial side of the game, but they seem to be out of touch with the supporters and the city and football in general. I also would like them to occasionally at least consider the idea of bringing in a generational footballer not by trying to guess and getting them before they are identified, but getting them after everyone else in the world knows it too.

      We can take the piss out of teams like Real Madrid all we want, but they sure have a lot of hardware that came because they were willing to go and get the best talent that was available. I don't want us to be Madrid and I don't even want us to always be in the conversation for one of these type of players, but occasionally might be nice. I don't really want an oil baron or a nation state owning us. But I don't really like who we have either so for me somewhere in between if you could get that for me.
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      Reply #29487: Nov 17, 2021 06:58:01 pm
      Sorry I’m not sure what the protocol is when responding to posts ? Is there a specific time lime

      I’m sorry but I’m sure I recall walking out of the game at protest of the ticket prices and certainly wasn’t impressed in regards the super league.


      Let’s be honest here - the game is hugely different to what the game was when Shanks was in charge - it’s a huge commercial business now and I very much doubt Shanks would like anything about the modern game and have anything to do with any modern owners - could you see him being impressed with the oil Billionares - would that sit in with his socialist views ?


      I don’t understand the idea they see the club as a plaything ? The club stands on its own financially as a club and day to day run is left to the club with little input from FSG -some are critical of that yet you think they see the club as a plaything ? Surely that’s the sort of thing the oil Billionaires do ?

      If you said they see the club as an asset in their sports portfolio then that’s understandable because that’s no doubt what they see

      So what sort of owners do you want ?

      Right now within the Premiership - it’s dominated by very rich people owning clubs for their gains - whether that be financially or in some ego thing

      I don’t believe there are the “perfect” owner who “love the club” and then also spend their own money out of “love” for the club - it’s just not possible in modern football

      yep definitely an FSG acolyte.
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      Reply #29488: Nov 17, 2021 07:02:13 pm
      Over ÂŁ80mil less than UTD but the City figures look suspect with only 22 players listed against our 27
      Another list shows City has 66 players registered so how much can you rely on City's figures
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      Reply #29489: Nov 17, 2021 07:08:32 pm
      I'll bite.

      I want FSG without the ticket price hikes, the trademark crap, the Super League and the furloughs. They've been good at developing the commercial side of the game, but they seem to be out of touch with the supporters and the city and football in general. I also would like them to occasionally at least consider the idea of bringing in a generational footballer not by trying to guess and getting them before they are identified, but getting them after everyone else in the world knows it too.

      We can take the piss out of teams like Real Madrid all we want, but they sure have a lot of hardware that came because they were willing to go and get the best talent that was available. I don't want us to be Madrid and I don't even want us to always be in the conversation for one of these type of players, but occasionally might be nice. I don't really want an oil baron or a nation state owning us. But I don't really like who we have either so for me somewhere in between if you could get that for me.

      In regards Madrid they are able to get these “galactico’s” because of the financing from local government- but also they spent beyond their means hence why Perez was desperate for the Super League to help them pay for the “best talent”


      I think we would all love a “generational talent” - but I don’t think the club have ever gone out there and bought - in fact it’s hard to recall if any of those players arrived in the Prem - the likes of Zidane , Kaka , Ronaldo at their prime wouldn’t come near the Prem

      One of the biggest hurdles faced by the clubs - wages. Look at what Haaland or his agent was demanding , wages and fees beyond what the clubs in the Prem will pay - Mbappe will prob earn near £1mil a week onto of signing on fees etc - we won’t go anywhere near that. I’m sure the club would love to sign one of these generational talents but it’s just not going to happen


      You don’t want a oil baron or state owned , but don’t want a club self sustaining and owned by a company ? I’m not sure what there is left within the football world that would look to buy a top club 🤷‍♂️
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      Reply #29490: Nov 17, 2021 07:24:47 pm


      You don’t want a oil baron or state owned , but don’t want a club self sustaining and owned by a company ? I’m not sure what there is left within the football world that would look to buy a top club 🤷‍♂️

      There's always Elon and Bezos we could ask if they're interested?
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      Reply #29491: Nov 17, 2021 09:45:53 pm
      In regards Madrid they are able to get these “galactico’s” because of the financing from local government- but also they spent beyond their means hence why Perez was desperate for the Super League to help them pay for the “best talent”


      I think we would all love a “generational talent” - but I don’t think the club have ever gone out there and bought - in fact it’s hard to recall if any of those players arrived in the Prem - the likes of Zidane , Kaka , Ronaldo at their prime wouldn’t come near the Prem

      One of the biggest hurdles faced by the clubs - wages. Look at what Haaland or his agent was demanding , wages and fees beyond what the clubs in the Prem will pay - Mbappe will prob earn near £1mil a week onto of signing on fees etc - we won’t go anywhere near that. I’m sure the club would love to sign one of these generational talents but it’s just not going to happen


      You don’t want a oil baron or state owned , but don’t want a club self sustaining and owned by a company ? I’m not sure what there is left within the football world that would look to buy a top club 🤷‍♂️

      And therein lies why you take so much flak, I gave my honest opinion about the situation going so far as to point out that I don’t think FSG are all bad and that everything isn’t black and white and yet your M.O. is still to tell my why I’m wrong to have the opinion that I do.

      I’ve come to realize why I had you on ignore for the last year. You aren’t interested in discussion, you just want debate and no matter what they do you will always be in FSG’s corner. Wow you walked out in protest of ticket prices. That’s literally the least of the stupid things they’ve done. Where were you decrying all the other ones?
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      Reply #29492: Nov 17, 2021 10:14:03 pm
      And therein lies why you take so much flak, I gave my honest opinion about the situation going so far as to point out that I don’t think FSG are all bad and that everything isn’t black and white and yet your M.O. is still to tell my why I’m wrong to have the opinion that I do.

      I’ve come to realize why I had you on ignore for the last year. You aren’t interested in discussion, you just want debate and no matter what they do you will always be in FSG’s corner. Wow you walked out in protest of ticket prices. That’s literally the least of the stupid things they’ve done. Where were you decrying all the other ones?

      I don’t think anywhere in my post have I stated you’re wrong 🤷‍♂️


      Isnt a debate a discussion? You answered a post I made to someone else so then I answered your post ?


      And as for the ticket prices and walking out ?! Are you serious !! It was the one thing we could physically do - I spend my hard earned on my tickets and we decided to walk out in protest and you dismiss it

      What did you do about the ticket prices ?


      What did you do about the the super league ? The potential furlough ?
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      Reply #29493: Nov 18, 2021 09:33:06 am
      And therein lies why you take so much flak, I gave my honest opinion about the situation going so far as to point out that I don’t think FSG are all bad and that everything isn’t black and white and yet your M.O. is still to tell my why I’m wrong to have the opinion that I do.

      I’ve come to realize why I had you on ignore for the last year. You aren’t interested in discussion, you just want debate and no matter what they do you will always be in FSG’s corner. Wow you walked out in protest of ticket prices. That’s literally the least of the stupid things they’ve done. Where were you decrying all the other ones?

      Not that you'll give a Fcuk but your opinion is the same reason why I put him on ignore. #justsayin
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      Reply #29494: Nov 18, 2021 07:14:26 pm

      However the flip side is the Salah point, not to the point I actually don’t think it won’t be sorted but if it is, and I hope it is obviously, but the only way we revitalise this squad is by selling a big hitter, the evidence is there so isn’t debatable, so who goes to finance that? Because it won’t be done on a 20m yearly transfer spend, but the real sellable assets are getting older, unless one is sold this upcoming summer you have to wonder about the regeneration of this squad


      We have a strong core group of players, and an incredible manager who can get the most out of the squad that's available. But even though we are doing well so far this season, that doesn't mean that the recent lack of investment in new blood still won't hurt us this season, or longer term.
      Agree though that unfortunately it'll likely take another Coutinho type player sale(s) to bring in the sort of money needed to fund continued competitiveness with the likes of Man City and Chelsea.
      In saying that, we didn't break the bank bringing in the likes of Robbo, Matip, Gini, players that can make a real difference to the team, and yet we still didn't try and go an extra - not even a full mile - half mile, in the summer to freshen things up a little.
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      Reply #29495: Nov 18, 2021 07:21:41 pm
      That's not true at all. He was the hottest name in World Football, hence why Man United wanted him as well. Stop kidding yourself.

      Agreed, one of the top/best managers in the world at the time. Top of most peoples wanted list.
      And he's even gone up a few notchs even since then after what he's done with us.
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      Reply #29496: Nov 18, 2021 07:36:35 pm
      We have a strong core group of players, and an incredible manager who can get the most out of the squad that's available. But even though we are doing well so far this season, that doesn't mean that the recent lack of investment in new blood still won't hurt us this season, or longer term.
      Agree though that unfortunately it'll likely take another Coutinho type player sale(s) to bring in the sort of money needed to fund continued competitiveness with the likes of Man City and Chelsea.
      In saying that, we didn't break the bank bringing in the likes of Robbo, Matip, Gini, players that can make a real difference to the team, and yet we still didn't try and go an extra - not even a full mile - half mile, in the summer to freshen things up a little.

      How do you know this ?
      Could it not be, the players JĂźrgen has shown interest in are not available 🤷‍♂️
      I’m sure you realise that buying to cover what you may think are weak spots in the squad, is not just a case of seeing someone suitable, and bang, go get em !
      I keep seeing, we should have replaced so and so, we should have cover for him, etc etc. No point having cover that weakens your side, and we have such a strong starting eleven, they take some covering.
      Top players on a good run with their current clubs are not always open to a move, and many are just priced so high, there’s only 3 or 4 clubs who could afford them.
      And that doesn’t include us 🤷‍♂️
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      Reply #29497: Nov 18, 2021 07:53:27 pm
      Top players on a good run with their current clubs are not always open to a move, and many are just priced so high, there’s only 3 or 4 clubs who could afford them.
      And that doesn’t include us 🤷‍♂️

      I think that's literally the entire point....
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      Reply #29498: Nov 18, 2021 08:06:39 pm
      How do you know this ?
      Could it not be, the players JĂźrgen has shown interest in are not available 🤷‍♂️
      I’m sure you realise that buying to cover what you may think are weak spots in the squad, is not just a case of seeing someone suitable, and bang, go get em !
      I keep seeing, we should have replaced so and so, we should have cover for him, etc etc. No point having cover that weakens your side, and we have such a strong starting eleven, they take some covering.
      Top players on a good run with their current clubs are not always open to a move, and many are just priced so high, there’s only 3 or 4 clubs who could afford them.
      And that doesn’t include us 🤷‍♂️

      JĂźrgen has pretty much said when asked that the money wasn't there to spend.
      Over the summer I'm guessing there were players out there that could improve our team that JĂźrgen and staff might have been interested in.
      But yes, maybe he decided nobody was right. Or, maybe he just didn't have the money to spend.
      Depends which do you think is most likely.
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      Reply #29499: Nov 18, 2021 08:20:12 pm
      Klopp is always very clear when it comes to transfers
      https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2021/sep/11/JĂźrgen-klopp-happy-for-liverpool-to-stay-out-of-transfer-market-circus


      “ We thought it made sense that we sign up our squad that we have,” Klopp said. “That is not as spectacular as all the rest around. I cannot change that because you cannot do transfer business just to be in a circus.”


      “ “That’s completely fine, we knew it and we will deal with it,” he said. “People are now saying: ‘You have to sign two strikers of the same quality of Sadio and Mo.’ That cannot be the solution because we cannot do that.”

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      Reply #29500: Nov 18, 2021 09:53:40 pm

      The player Ole Gunnar SolskjĂŚr bought on deadline day was originally bought by Sir Alex Ferguson in 2003. The one recruited by Kenny Dalglish in 2011 put pen to paper for JĂźrgen Klopp. The differences between Cristiano Ronaldo and Jordan Henderson are manifold but one is that the Liverpool captain never left the club where he won the Premier League and the Champions League.


      If Ronaldo is Manchester United’s marquee signing, Henderson is a symbol of Liverpool’s contrasting attitude. They are the continuity club in the probable title race, the exception to the rule in a culture of consumption. Chelsea have bought Romelu Lukaku, Manchester City the £100m man Jack Grealish, United the glamorous trio of Jadon Sancho, Raphaël Varane and Ronaldo.

      Liverpool have acquired only Ibrahima KonatĂŠ, the young centre-back who is yet to take the field and, like Henderson a decade ago, has been bought partly for his potential. But they have re-signed six stalwarts of their most successful side since the 1980s: Alisson, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Andrew Robertson, Virgil van Dijk, Fabinho and Henderson have new contracts.

      “We thought it made sense that we sign up our squad that we have,” Klopp said. “That is not as spectacular as all the rest around. I cannot change that because you cannot do transfer business just to be in a circus.”
      That was a comment on the artificial, cartoonish sense of entertainment the transfer window provides rather than calling Solskjær a clown, though Klopp is all too aware his observations on others’ spending do not pass unnoticed. “My problem is obviously my English because from time to time I annoy some other managers and I don’t want to annoy them,” he said.

      “I’m not interested in it. I say something, I think it’s right and then two days later I hear the response from somebody and think: ‘Why is he on his toes?’ But, honestly, I couldn’t care less what other clubs are doing.”

      For the record, United’s interest in Ronaldo came as no shock. “I’m not surprised that they do it, I was surprised that Cristiano left Juve, I didn’t know that would happen. Clubs do business.”

      Liverpool can seem to do less than most, certainly at the top end of the market. Klopp’s average annual net spend is around £17m. He seems an advertisement for austerity. Two years ago, Liverpool’s summer recruits consisted of two veteran back-up goalkeepers and two teenagers. They duly won 26 of their first 27 league games and surged to the title. It was a triumph of balancing the books, among other things, and while the owner, Fenway Sports Group, has been criticised for being less lavish than some of its counterparts elsewhere, Klopp is adamant he endorses the approach.

      Brazil players are cleared for Premier League action after days of negotiations

      “In a few weeks I am six years here and I signed up for this way when I arrived,” he said. “In that time, we were quite successful: not the most successful in the world, but quite successful. We won a couple of trophies exactly with that way and it’s the same in all transfer windows.”

      But the winter window will bring a further focus on Liverpool’s trading. Perhaps they could do with the attacking reinforcements others have secured. They will lose Sadio Mané and Mohamed Salah to January’s Africa Cup of Nations and, unlike with the farrago that threatened to deprive them of their Brazilians against Leeds on Sunday, Klopp has no complaints, objecting instead to simplistic remedies.

      “That’s completely fine, we knew it and we will deal with it,” he said. “People are now saying: ‘You have to sign two strikers of the same quality of Sadio and Mo.’ That cannot be the solution because we cannot do that.”

      If Liverpool’s solution is more of the same, the context has changed along with opposition lineups. Their task feels tougher with every superstar their rivals attract. It is a further test of Klopp’s long-serving loyalists.

      “Other teams signed players, fine,” he said. “Now we will play them and see what we can do.”

      https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2021/sep/11/JĂźrgen-klopp-happy-for-liverpool-to-stay-out-of-transfer-market-circus


      Full article for context…
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      Reply #29501: Nov 19, 2021 08:52:03 am
      Thanks for reprinting it, Shabs. Very good article.
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      Reply #29502: Nov 19, 2021 10:10:53 am

      Long enough for me to delete some posts.
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      Reply #29503: Nov 19, 2021 10:14:15 am
      Long enough for me to delete some posts.

       ;D
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      Reply #29504: Nov 19, 2021 07:18:15 pm
      Klopp’s average annual net spend is around £17m

      Jeez don't mention net spend - "Klopp’s average annual net spend is around £17m" - some of the locals will have a conniption.
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      Reply #29505: Nov 19, 2021 07:20:12 pm

      “ “That’s completely fine, we knew it and we will deal with it,” he said. “People are now saying: ‘You have to sign two strikers of the same quality of Sadio and Mo.’ That cannot be the solution because we cannot do that.”


      Have heard almost nobody say that on here, though maybe have missed it.
      Clearly not going to happen, though do need to plan for their absense...
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      Reply #29506: Nov 19, 2021 07:26:35 pm
      Have heard almost nobody say that on here, though maybe have missed it.
      Clearly not going to happen, though do need to plan for their absense...

      Taki , Origi , Bobby , Jota and then Gordon in the cups.
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      Reply #29507: Nov 20, 2021 03:31:17 pm
      Jeez don't mention net spend - "Klopp’s average annual net spend is around £17m" - some of the locals will have a conniption.
      ?
      what do you mean by "locals" ?
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      Reply #29508: Nov 20, 2021 03:43:21 pm

      Wasn't you Walt, someone else was giving out to me mentioning net spend

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