NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

Spending money has not and will not always guarantee success.

https://twitter.com/ESPNFC/status/1564635811374669828?t=FWeLxpgqK-Tp0vXJA-SnBQ&s=09

But the conversation isn’t about Klopp leaving, if it was I’d agree with what you’ve just posted. Like Fergie at United there’s no danger if/when Klopp goes you won’t replace him and yeah you’ll have the problems United currently having.  At the time Fergie was No 1 in the world, that title is now with Klopp. I’m sure you’ll enjoy every moment under him as he’s clearly the best at what he’s doing.

If he doesn’t get the backing going forward we both know what will happen but that’s another topic.

No, the conversation is you suggesting a Liverpool fan has a spoilt attitude and they shouldn’t raise concerns because we’ve won trophies in recent seasons.

Too many people get it twisted too. I don’t know of one Liverpool fan who wants to spend the type of money city, Chelsea or United do.

But what we do expect is for our owners to strengthen in areas that need strengthening and to not leave us short.

Midfield is a problem. We all knew it was a problem. Jürgen knew it was a problem and said so himself weeks ago. And we sign an injury prone player on loan on deadline day? It’s not good enough for a team that should be challenging for the title.

Ox, naby and Curtis Jones are still on our books because we won’t invest in a new midfield. To a lesser extent, Milner is too.

you are the niave one if you think they would still be here if their investment had not risen so dramatically, I bet in private they talk about how they stole the club for £300mil. IF you own a home I assume if you sell it you will sell it for the same price you bought it not at todays inflated prices or maybe you will borrow money against it to build an extension and increase its value even more. and dont talk bollox of lies you clearly havent a clue how these people work.

What are you on about - my point is precisely that they are businessman and not here for charity? Yourself and Stuey seem to be the ones on here expecting them to just pump cash in for no personal benefit, it’s illogical.

No I don’t know how billionaires work, I don’t mix in those circles but something tells me that ‘walton4’ from the internet also has no idea.

Jeezuzfuckity this thread is brain numbing, round and round we go. l o l

Probably not but you do realise that their investment has risen by their actions don't you?

How they have ran the club has grown their investment.

Once they sell they will reap the dividends from that and whoever buys us will be challenged to carry that in and grow the club further.

Literally how it works

never once said they were not brilliant business men and when they leave as they will do they will take all that profit with them and all of a sudden we will be a club with not a potential £300mil debt saddled upon them but a £4billion debt potentially placed upon the club.
Its an investment that is also tied to the success on the pitch as well as improving our woeful off field activities under Moores and Parry Jürgen and his team have played a massive role in the club becoming popular world wide and in case people didnt know it the Club and the City are known world wide so they had a head start.  They have been very quiet about their intentions but have been caught out a few times not least with the European Super League they just couldn't help but smell the money showing no regard for the fans or Football .

Spending money has not and will not always guarantee success.

https://twitter.com/ESPNFC/status/1564635811374669828?t=FWeLxpgqK-Tp0vXJA-SnBQ&s=09

But not spending money makes some fans insecure. Not winning matches in style makes us think we’re not spending enough and that our weaknesses can be rectified by splashing more money on better players.

To some fans (not you), spending money is the fastest way to trophies as it has been proven by Chelsea and City, outweighing more intense training. Fans will always speak the language of fans and neglect understanding the football business and the coaching side of things.

No, the conversation is you suggesting a Liverpool fan has a spoilt attitude and they shouldn’t raise concerns because we’ve won trophies in recent seasons.

Too many people get it twisted too. I don’t know of one Liverpool fan who wants to spend the type of money city, Chelsea or United do.

But what we do expect is for our owners to strengthen in areas that need strengthening and to not leave us short.

Midfield is a problem. We all knew it was a problem. Jürgen knew it was a problem and said so himself weeks ago. And we sign an injury prone player on loan on deadline day? It’s not good enough for a team that should be challenging for the title.

Ox, naby and Curtis Jones are still on our books because we won’t invest in a new midfield. To a lesser extent, Milner is too.

No it isn’t that’s you putting words in my mouth. Must people know there’s serious problems in the midfield that need addressing. Your still a better team than what the football suggests at the moment but that will change once the injuries are solved.

I don’t know of any fan club that wants to spend the kind of money City are doing but that’s the reality of the situation rival fans are in, the problem won’t be going away anytime soon.

never once said they were not brilliant business men and when they leave as they will do they will take all that profit with them and all of a sudden we will be a club with not a potential £300mil debt saddled upon them but a £4billion debt potentially placed upon the club.

You're going to have to break this one down for me Walt.

my point is precisely that they are businessman and not here for charity?

But they aren’t making me happy with their spending, which is why I’m sulking. I’d thus blame them for all our failures. That’s convenient for a fan to do. I don’t want and don’t need to understand them. They are to make me happy, which is what they aren’t doing. Life is all about meself. Some can’t help but feel sorry for me…

Probably not but you do realise that their investment has risen by their actions don't you?

How they have ran the club has grown their investment.

Once they sell they will reap the dividends from that and whoever buys us will be challenged to carry that in and grow the club further.

Literally how it works

I don’t think there Is any point trying to be sensible with them - they can’t understand reasoning


They have dug themselves into a hole and it doesn’t matter what the owners do they won’t change their attitude until the club is sold off to a billionaire who will just spend their own money - and there are only two types who do that - A Middle East oil state or a Russian oil state , there is no one else who will run the club any differently

No it isn’t that’s you putting words in my mouth. Must people know there’s serious problems in the midfield that need addressing. Your still a better team than what the football suggests at the moment but that will change once the injuries are solved.

I don’t know of any fan club that wants to spend the kind of money City are doing but that’s the reality of the situation rival fans are in, the problem won’t be going away anytime soon.

Loads do. Do you think everton would care if the Saudis came in, spent billions and they started winning trophies?

We don’t want that. We just want FSG to help klopp out a bit more. That’s it.

Some of us can already see it now but when klopp leaves Liverpool more people will realise it was a missed opportunity despite how successful we’ve been. I know we’re competing with city but we still could, and should, have won more.

When graham potter or somebody like that comes in and we’re languishing around 7th in the table then this thread will be a good read.

That’s correct Walt you’ve won with very little money which is what I’ve been saying, it’s a hell of a achievement in its self.

We have won trophies by building the club up , producing great players and being excellent in the transfer market - it’s then all knitted together by a world class manager and his coaching team and a very business savvy off the pitch team

never once said they were not brilliant business men and when they leave as they will do they will take all that profit with them and all of a sudden we will be a club with not a potential £300mil debt saddled upon them but a £4billion debt potentially placed upon the club.
Its an investment that is also tied to the success on the pitch as well as improving our woeful off field activities under Moores and Parry Jürgen and his team have played a massive role in the club becoming popular world wide and in case people didnt know it the Club and the City are known world wide so they had a head start.  They have been very quiet about their intentions but have been caught out a few times not least with the European Super League they just couldn't help but smell the money showing no regard for the fans or Football .

How on earth will we be left with a “£4bn debt” left on the club 🤦‍♂️


And if they sold the club for more than they bought of course they take the profit with them


If you sold your bourse for more than you paid for it would you also not take the profit with you 🤦‍♂️

But they aren’t making me happy with their spending, which is why I’m sulking. I’d thus blame them for all our failures. That’s convenient for a fan to do. I don’t want and don’t need to understand them. They are to make me happy, which is what they aren’t doing. Life is all about meself. Some can’t help but feel sorry for me…

If you're going to blame them for failure...then you also have to credit them them for success.....We win together...we lose together.
They are businessmen, it is a business and they have obligations to deliver dividends to shareholders. The more success the club has increases that share price, so I'm not convinced they want to run it into the ground...quite the opposite, they need to reinvest in it in an effort to keep it successful. It's a complex balance.

Loads do. Do you think everton would care if the Saudis came in, spent billions and they started winning trophies?

We don’t want that. We just want FSG to help klopp out a bit more. That’s it.

Some of us can already see it now but when klopp leaves Liverpool more people will realise it was a missed opportunity despite how successful we’ve been. I know we’re competing with city but we still could, and should, have won more.

When graham potter or somebody like that comes in and we’re languishing around 7th in the table then this thread will be a good read.

Hiring Potter wouldn't be the craziest idea in the world to be fair.

Hiring the wrong coach and throwing money around like confetti could be just as costly.

Loads do. Do you think everton would care if the Saudis came in, spent billions and they started winning trophies?

We don’t want that. We just want FSG to help klopp out a bit more. That’s it.

Some of us can already see it now but when klopp leaves Liverpool more people will realise it was a missed opportunity despite how successful we’ve been here. I know we’re competing with city but we still could, and should, have won more .

When graham potter or somebody like that comes in and we’re languishing around 7th in the table then this thread will be a good read.

Many of us don’t want it but will do almost anything to get success. You may not want it but there will be plenty of fans that do at your club and many many others. The majority would say yes if they thought it would bring success or indeed maintain it.

In a ideal world we would all take someone like  Jeff Bezos involved instead of the oil merchants.

Loads do. Do you think everton would care if the Saudis came in, spent billions and they started winning trophies?

We don’t want that. We just want FSG to help klopp out a bit more. That’s it.

Some of us can already see it now but when klopp leaves Liverpool more people will realise it was a missed opportunity despite how successful we’ve been. I know we’re competing with city but we still could, and should, have won more.

When graham potter or somebody like that comes in and we’re languishing around 7th in the table then this thread will be a good read.

Exactly how I feel - I think Jürgen was/is an opportunity to have a dominant period when we look back in the future and in instances where we want e.g a CB or a midfielder and it’s clearly important to the boss that’s where I would like to see money reallocated, where that comes from I don’t really care, if it means the owners putting in 30mill from their own pocket and the rest being the clubs own money that’s fine, we could easily pay it back and the owners could structure that however they wanted to guarantee for them it isn’t just lost money.

No one is after unsustainable spending but I do feel sometimes the boat could be pushed out a bit more in circumstances where it is clearly needed. That would be my only gripe with the owners, rather than expecting us to get every last drop out of every resource year after year.

When Jürgen goes I don’t want to be seeing us doing another bizarre recruitment exercise with Martinez and Rodgers strolling around having ice cream with John Henry.

Loads do. Do you think everton would care if the Saudis came in, spent billions and they started winning trophies?

We don’t want that. We just want FSG to help klopp out a bit more. That’s it.

Some of us can already see it now but when klopp leaves Liverpool more people will realise it was a missed opportunity despite how successful we’ve been. I know we’re competing with city but we still could, and should, have won more.

When graham potter or somebody like that comes in and we’re languishing around 7th in the table then this thread will be a good read.

I suspect we'll be languishing in 7th later today!

Many of us don’t want it but will do almost anything to get success. You may not want it but there will be plenty of fans that do at your club and many many others. The majority would say yes if they thought it would bring success or indeed maintain it.

In a ideal world we would all take someone like  Jeff Bezos involved instead of the oil merchants.

Maybe the social media reds who aren’t really anything to do with Liverpool and change clubs every few years, yes. The vast majority of Liverpool fans wouldn’t want that though.

We have a soul. A history. We’re unique. And we wouldn’t want to destroy that.

FSG have done some great things for our club. I don’t think anybody can dispute that.

But with the amount of tv money in the game now and our recent success, I find it difficult to believe that there isn’t any money to bring in a player or two to help compete where we’re short instead of always balancing the books with net spend etc. 

Hiring Potter wouldn't be the craziest idea in the world to be fair.

Hiring the wrong coach and throwing money around like confetti could be just as costly.

Potter is a fine manager but he wouldn’t have the pull power, the coaching ability or be able to work under the FSG restraints like Jürgen.

When Jürgen leaves we won’t be going upwards will we? We will only be heading down. Does that not prove it’s not the model and it’s actually the manager?

Potter is a fine manager but he wouldn’t have the pull power, the coaching ability or be able to work under the FSG restraints like Jürgen.

When Jürgen leaves we won’t be going upwards will we? We will only be heading down. Does that not prove it’s not the model and it’s actually the manager?

You could argue he's just a good a coach as Jürgen.

Pull power I agree with 100%

Maybe the social media reds who aren’t really anything to do with Liverpool and change clubs every few years, yes. The vast majority of Liverpool fans wouldn’t want that though.

We have a soul. A history. We’re unique. And we wouldn’t want to destroy that.

FSG have done some great things for our club. I don’t think anybody can dispute that.

But with the amount of tv money in the game now and our recent success, I find it difficult to believe that there isn’t any money to bring in a player or two to help compete where we’re short instead of always balancing the books with net spend etc.

There will be money there to spend - and i know it’s a line trotted out by many but they are going to use that when the player they want is attainable


There is no doubt there is one or two mids that they want but right now just aren’t able to be brought into the club but there is highly likely the chance that it’s Jan or next summer


And then it’s the manager and Ward etc to make that choice to decide if the squad can wait until then or they need to get someone in now and look at other options.


I don’t think they are sitting there on a pile of money to help balance books etc

But it is tough to trust them when we do have Ox etc who can’t stay fit

Potter is a fine manager but he wouldn’t have the pull power, the coaching ability or be able to work under the FSG restraints like Jürgen.

When Jürgen leaves we won’t be going upwards will we? We will only be heading down. Does that not prove it’s not the model and it’s actually the manager?

Guess depends on who comes in - we used to do succession very well