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      waltonl4
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      Reply #31786: Oct 02, 2022 05:39:19 pm
      we have been linked with MBappe and other top players but we bought a kid and gave new contracts to the old and infirmed finally getting in Arthur.
      Unless they see a threat to their Investment they will do F**k all they really dont care if we win another game as long as their  money is secure.
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      Reply #31787: Oct 02, 2022 05:44:15 pm
      we have been linked with MBappe and other top players but we bought a kid and gave new contracts to the old and infirmed finally getting in Arthur.
      Unless they see a threat to their Investment they will do f**k all they really dont care if we win another game as long as their  money is secure.

      Knowing how far teams are now behind City it’s even less likely BIG MONEY a will be invested as that’s what it’s going to take just to try and catch them up.  :f_doh:
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      Reply #31788: Oct 02, 2022 05:46:08 pm
      Knowing how far teams are now behind City it’s even less likely BIG MONEY a will be invested as that’s what it’s going to take just to try and catch them up.  :f_doh:

      forget the league for anyone even Arsenal who will slip up several times this season. But CL football is vital but we are nowhere near that at the moment
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      Reply #31789: Oct 02, 2022 05:54:13 pm
      forget the league for anyone even Arsenal who will slip up several times this season. But CL football is vital but we are nowhere near that at the moment

      Don’t even have Arsenal on my mind.
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      Reply #31790: Oct 02, 2022 06:18:16 pm
      forget the league for anyone even Arsenal who will slip up several times this season. But CL football is vital but we are nowhere near that at the moment

      Well we're only 4 points off 4th place that should be minimum achievement this season with maybe one domestic cup trophy, although that might be a stretch.

      But if we don't finish 4th it will be Klopp's worst season here for sure.
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      Reply #31791: Oct 02, 2022 06:29:52 pm
      Knowing how far teams are now behind City it’s even less likely BIG MONEY a will be invested as that’s what it’s going to take just to try and catch them up.  :f_doh:

      The thing is, as good as city are and as much as they have invested, they have destroyed the league.
      Why would any owner want to spend hundreds of millions on transfers when city have already amassed a massive advantage?

      Remember it started over a decade ago. They would buy players on massive wages (because it was the only way to entice them to city) and when they were surplus to requirements they didn’t have to sell to buy. No, they just signed a new upgrade and loaned out the original player for the remainder of his contract and also paid the majority of his wages as well.
      Can you imagine any sane business owner with a model using that strategy?
      With the exception of Newcastle (who may try something similar) the rest of the clubs have to get their transfer policy spot on and then try to achieve what their club has never done before and get to 90 points just to stand a chance.

      If you have one bad window or a few unlucky injuries, bad luck. City will be over the hill and far away before you can come up with a plan B.

      So I don’t blame our owners for not spending £100m on Bellingham. He probably wasn’t available anyway and it’s unlikely we would buy a short term replacement as that would probably eat into the Bellingham fund.
      Mbappe was a dream and only about three clubs on the planet can afford his wages.

      So, as fans, we are left with a choice. Have responsible owners who use sound business models to run their franchise, or sell out and become like city and PSG.

      Unless all clubs are fan owned or we all join this super league, no club will compete in this league...
      Unless you have a fantastic transfer policy, a fantastic manager and manage to get to 90+ points consistently. But even then, that may take 3/4 seasons to begin to flourish and you are lucky these days to last 3/4 months if results go against you.

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      Reply #31792: Oct 02, 2022 08:52:46 pm
      Big money needed to be invested in the squad especially in midfield, we don’t have players to sell to raise funds so not sure what is going to happen. This sell to buy worked well up to now but if Fsg are interested in Liverpool challenging for further trophies things have to change.
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      Reply #31793: Oct 02, 2022 09:14:44 pm
      The thing is, as good as city are and as much as they have invested, they have destroyed the league.
      Why would any owner want to spend hundreds of millions on transfers when city have already amassed a massive advantage?

      Remember it started over a decade ago. They would buy players on massive wages (because it was the only way to entice them to city) and when they were surplus to requirements they didn’t have to sell to buy. No, they just signed a new upgrade and loaned out the original player for the remainder of his contract and also paid the majority of his wages as well.
      Can you imagine any sane business owner with a model using that strategy?
      With the exception of Newcastle (who may try something similar) the rest of the clubs have to get their transfer policy spot on and then try to achieve what their club has never done before and get to 90 points just to stand a chance.

      If you have one bad window or a few unlucky injuries, bad luck. City will be over the hill and far away before you can come up with a plan B.

      So I don’t blame our owners for not spending £100m on Bellingham. He probably wasn’t available anyway and it’s unlikely we would buy a short term replacement as that would probably eat into the Bellingham fund.
      Mbappe was a dream and only about three clubs on the planet can afford his wages.

      So, as fans, we are left with a choice. Have responsible owners who use sound business models to run their franchise, or sell out and become like city and PSG.

      Unless all clubs are fan owned or we all join this super league, no club will compete in this league...
      Unless you have a fantastic transfer policy, a fantastic manager and manage to get to 90+ points consistently. But even then, that may take 3/4 seasons to begin to flourish and you are lucky these days to last 3/4 months if results go against you.

      Expertly put:
      The one thing I struggle with is: if you are essentially buying the league title, where is the merit in that? All sport has to be competitive or it risks becoming obsolete. Surely even Man City supporters will tire of watching them trounce teams every week, every month, every year. It just makes for a dull experience. There will be circumstances which dictate they don't win the league, but they'll win it more often than not. The Premier league is 15 rowing boats, 3 or 4 speedboats and one State of the art Superyacht.
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      Reply #31794: Oct 03, 2022 12:15:34 am
      The thing is, as good as city are and as much as they have invested, they have destroyed the league.
      Why would any owner want to spend hundreds of millions on transfers when city have already amassed a massive advantage?

      Remember it started over a decade ago. They would buy players on massive wages (because it was the only way to entice them to city) and when they were surplus to requirements they didn’t have to sell to buy. No, they just signed a new upgrade and loaned out the original player for the remainder of his contract and also paid the majority of his wages as well.
      Can you imagine any sane business owner with a model using that strategy?
      With the exception of Newcastle (who may try something similar) the rest of the clubs have to get their transfer policy spot on and then try to achieve what their club has never done before and get to 90 points just to stand a chance.

      If you have one bad window or a few unlucky injuries, bad luck. City will be over the hill and far away before you can come up with a plan B.

      So I don’t blame our owners for not spending £100m on Bellingham. He probably wasn’t available anyway and it’s unlikely we would buy a short term replacement as that would probably eat into the Bellingham fund.
      Mbappe was a dream and only about three clubs on the planet can afford his wages.

      So, as fans, we are left with a choice. Have responsible owners who use sound business models to run their franchise, or sell out and become like city and PSG.

      Unless all clubs are fan owned or we all join this super league, no club will compete in this league...
      Unless you have a fantastic transfer policy, a fantastic manager and manage to get to 90+ points consistently. But even then, that may take 3/4 seasons to begin to flourish and you are lucky these days to last 3/4 months if results go against you.



      Unless of course you introduce a level of spending, coupled with a clubs level of income.


      Oh yeah ! That was F.F.P. but that got abused by the exact sort of club it was introduced to prevent buying the game. F**k.
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      Reply #31795: Oct 03, 2022 09:55:24 am
      Unless of course you introduce a level of spending, coupled with a clubs level of income.


      Oh yeah ! That was F.F.P. but that got abused by the exact sort of club it was introduced to prevent buying the game. F**k.


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      Reply #31796: Oct 03, 2022 02:40:53 pm
      The thing is, as good as city are and as much as they have invested, they have destroyed the league.
      Why would any owner want to spend hundreds of millions on transfers when city have already amassed a massive advantage?

      Remember it started over a decade ago. They would buy players on massive wages (because it was the only way to entice them to city) and when they were surplus to requirements they didn’t have to sell to buy. No, they just signed a new upgrade and loaned out the original player for the remainder of his contract and also paid the majority of his wages as well.
      Can you imagine any sane business owner with a model using that strategy?
      With the exception of Newcastle (who may try something similar) the rest of the clubs have to get their transfer policy spot on and then try to achieve what their club has never done before and get to 90 points just to stand a chance.

      If you have one bad window or a few unlucky injuries, bad luck. City will be over the hill and far away before you can come up with a plan B.

      So I don’t blame our owners for not spending £100m on Bellingham. He probably wasn’t available anyway and it’s unlikely we would buy a short term replacement as that would probably eat into the Bellingham fund.
      Mbappe was a dream and only about three clubs on the planet can afford his wages.

      So, as fans, we are left with a choice. Have responsible owners who use sound business models to run their franchise, or sell out and become like city and PSG.

      Unless all clubs are fan owned or we all join this super league, no club will compete in this league...
      Unless you have a fantastic transfer policy, a fantastic manager and manage to get to 90+ points consistently. But even then, that may take 3/4 seasons to begin to flourish and you are lucky these days to last 3/4 months if results go against you.

      Some welcome sanity in this thread.

      FFP was supposed to help level the field, but we all know how farcical that is, and even then, if not for VAR (another farce) we would have won the league last season.

      That said, we've seen money alone isn't enough to win. Seen reported that United have overspent City the past whatever years but City just happen to have unlimited money AND a good coach so they have the upper hand.
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      Reply #31797: Oct 03, 2022 03:19:26 pm
      Some welcome sanity in this thread.

      FFP was supposed to help level the field, but we all know how farcical that is, and even then, if not for VAR (another farce) we would have won the league last season.

      That said, we've seen money alone isn't enough to win. Seen reported that United have overspent City the past whatever years but City just happen to have unlimited money AND a good coach so they have the upper hand.

      Ffp is broken. I don't get why we're still discussing it. Our model previously worked but it isn't anymore. Our signings were bang on the money. I'd say our signings success rate has declined. Couple that with not signing enough.

      Hit signings under Klopp:

      Ali, Virgil, Salah, Mane, Robbo, Gini, Fabinho. These were the core of our title winning side

      We lost Mane and Gini. In this time we added:

      Thiago, Tsimiskas, Jota, Diaz, Konate, Nunez, Harvey and Carvalho.

      The second batch are no where near the first. Only Thiago was an upgrade. Konate deserves a mention. Diaz is good but no upgrade on Sadio.

      The recruitment hasn't been good enough. They hardly recruit and when they have done, recently, it hasn't been great

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      Reply #31798: Oct 03, 2022 03:55:01 pm
      Ffp is broken. I don't get why we're still discussing it. Our model previously worked but it isn't anymore. Our signings were bang on the money. I'd say our signings success rate has declined. Couple that with not signing enough.

      Hit signings under Klopp:

      Ali, Virgil, Salah, Mane, Robbo, Gini, Fabinho. These were the core of our title winning side

      We lost Mane and Gini. In this time we added:

      Thiago, Tsimiskas, Jota, Diaz, Konate, Nunez, Harvey and Carvalho.

      The second batch are no where near the first. Only Thiago was an upgrade. Konate deserves a mention. Diaz is good but no upgrade on Sadio.

      The recruitment hasn't been good enough. They hardly recruit and when they have done, recently, it hasn't been great



      Overall I’d say recruitment been pretty good myself under  Klopp. He’s won you plenty and given you the holy grail of trophies ( The Premier League)  Could be worse, take a look at us lot! Spent massive amount and won very little in ten years.

      There’s no doubt FSG not  generous in the transfer market but you just have to take your hat off to Klopp and his scouts that have brought some very good players in that have improved in Klopps system.
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      Reply #31799: Oct 03, 2022 03:56:24 pm
      Overall I’d say recruitment been pretty good myself under  Klopp. He’s won you plenty and given you the holy grail of trophies ( The Premier League)  Could be worse, take a look at us lot! Spent massive amount and won very little in ten years.

      There’s no doubt FSG not  generous in the transfer market but you just have to take your hat off to Klopp and his scouts that have brought some very good players in that have improved in Klopps system.

      I'd say the first batch took us to new heights. The second batch isn't good enough to keep us there (this is what I meant when I said it hasn't been good enough)
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      Reply #31800: Oct 03, 2022 05:53:05 pm
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      Reply #31801: Oct 09, 2022 06:21:24 pm
      We need them gone by the summer.

      We need new owners who will back our manager.

      We need Salah gone.

      We need the sick notes gone.

      We need at least £200m in this squad.

      Where are the posters that said no one in world football, other than Bellingham, improves our midfield?
      « Last Edit: Oct 09, 2022 06:29:33 pm by Newdawn »
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      Reply #31802: Oct 09, 2022 07:06:16 pm
      forget FSG they could walk away tomorrow with a massive profit and that is their game not football we signed a pact with the devil with them and are locked in until they decide otherwise
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      Reply #31803: Oct 09, 2022 07:12:58 pm
      Apologies if I offend anyone here.

      This cancer needs to get out of this club. Take your profit and f*ck off. We are decaying on the field due to these arseholes. Its time to  turn the heat up. Back Jürgen ... or f*ck off. He's won inspite of you bas*tards ... and I guarantee you'll sack him to deflect the sh*t off your sorry backsides .... and bring another scout like brendan in .... absolute waste of space. Can you spare some penny's for the 2nd hand market in January. Just sell up , take your profit back to your franchises over there and f*ck off 
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      Reply #31804: Oct 09, 2022 07:14:54 pm
      Apologies if I offend anyone here.

      This cancer needs to get out of this club. Take your profit and f*ck off. We are decaying on the field due to these arseholes. Its time to  turn the heat up. Back Jürgen ... or f*ck off. He's won inspite of you bas*tards ... and I guarantee you'll sack him to deflect the sh*t off your sorry backsides .... and bring another scout like brendan in .... absolute waste of space. Can you spare some penny's for the 2nd hand market in January. Just sell up , take your profit back to your franchises over there and f*ck off

      We need action. Lallanainpyjamas won't report all our concerns from the forum.

      They need to know enough is enough. Time to stand up for this club or we're going in to another period of obscurity.
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      Reply #31805: Oct 09, 2022 07:24:38 pm
      The problem was every transfer we made was an absolute banger for years. Only ones you could question were loans and perhaps Keita for about 5 years.

      We spent the budget on a striker who is still raw and learning. We then neglected other areas of concern and instead started to sell off players who were deemed surplus and had a bit of value to get almost every penny of that outlay back.

      When I looked at the team a few weeks before the season started 2 things jumped out a mile. We looked older, slower, weaker in midfield and we were taking a huge gamble on Trents form and fitness at right back.

      Trent has gone on to have a torrid start to the season, the injury prone midfielders have proven just that and when fit look leggy and ageing.

      Every game we are sprinting back to our goal, the cover to the defence none existent, and that is creating panic and carnage. Even when we dropped deep against arsenal 2nd half the soft penalty was caused by absolute bedlam going on in our box. There no calm authority any more, Virgils form worries me far more than Mo or Trents to be quite honest. He looks a right old donkey out there.

      Whether the cause is a lack of investment, ageing squad, poor form, tactics being found out is now something g for the past. What is clear is we are in a mess.

      I think we need some clarity as to what the future plans are here. We won't go back to challenging without some serious work done in the market.

      If Fenway don't have the capability or stomach for the investment needed then they will need to stand aside in the near future or things will turn ugly quite sharply.

      The majority of the fans will point their finger at them over Jürgen and I'm in that camp.

      They deserve every credit for competing these last 5 seasons with the huge spenders in the division, but the pressure to find the right player for the right price every time has started to show.

      We have the 3rd oldest starting XI in the league.
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      Reply #31806: Oct 09, 2022 07:35:15 pm
      We're FOURTEEN F***ing points off the League leaders and it isn't even mid October.

      If that's not enough evidence of what these cu*ts have done then I don't know what is.

      We need them out NOW.
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      Reply #31807: Oct 09, 2022 07:53:25 pm
      so after all this time can anyone actually say why FSG/NESV are here . The reality is they are our new Bankers not owners we may as well be owned by RBS in fact we once were technically. Do they go to the games no not many do they  appear to do things for the City no not really. Other than the Beatles what do they know about the City ? Other than the opportunity to make a killing for very little investment why are they here I dont think they even like football. We have let a position hard fought for by Jürgen and his team slip and we have fallen behind City,SPurs,Chelsea, Arsenal, and possibly Newcastle if they spend more in January. We have had a cracking 4 years or more with Jürgen but we look worn out now so does he sadly
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      Reply #31808: Oct 09, 2022 07:58:30 pm
      Those saying that the lack of investment will catch up can now see it in its full glory.

      It’s basically the same team plus Nunez that has been playing for over 5 years.

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