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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #32292: Oct 30, 2022 09:59:43 pm
      Why do you feel the constant need to insult people just because they have a differing opinion ?

      Even more so someone you ignore 🤷‍♂️


      Hicks and Gillette borrowed - I’m guessing you were ok with that

      H&G were found guilty of using fraudulent business methods, you come up with any old sh*te.
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      Reply #32293: Oct 30, 2022 10:11:57 pm
      In 20 years time I won’t remember the shiny new training ground or a big stand. But I’ll remember every cup final and whether we won the title or not.

      This is a very good point and to be fair we have been within a whisker of winning two or three more of the big ones under their ownership.

      The issue is City and the relentlessness of them which is very hard for anyone to keep up with.

      Simply put though we need to buy a CM in January. I'm not sure anyone could argue otherwise and even if there is no money FSG need to spend and plan to recoup at a later date if that's what needs to happen.

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      Reply #32294: Oct 30, 2022 10:21:44 pm
      The issue is their model leaves very little margin for error. Every transfer has to be a resounding success, we have to get every last penny out of the outgoings and we need to be ruthless with contract extensions. What we've been in the last couple of summers are mistakes in those very areas and an ownership model that cannot absorb those losses.

      We are reliant on getting everything right but that is not a sustainable way to have success over a long period of time. Of course it will work for a time if it all clicks like it has with Klopp (when he had Edwards) but it's not reasonable to expect years and years of no mistakes. Look around us - City who are the best team in the world have made so many mistakes even under Pep like spending 100m on Grealish or not replacing Kompany back in 2019. They of course have a model of being able to absorb those losses and go and sign someone the following window.

      We've also got this model of buying young players in their early to mid 20s which is great but what's the long term plan when those players hit 28-30? Again teams around us don't need a big sale to find the next batch of early 20s coming in but it seems like we do. Does this mean we need to be picking one of these older players and trying to sell them on at 27 or 28 to fund the next batch?

      I respect their model but there's no doubt there's plenty of flaws with it which is what we seeing right now on the pitch with an old, tired team that has kept together a bit too long. It'll be interesting to see what their plan is - do they deviate from their model and if they don't how do we fund the rebuild this squad desperately needs?
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      Reply #32295: Oct 31, 2022 01:41:36 am
      "This time around the issues are more widespread and the challenge is greater. When you lose to two of the worst teams in the league in successive weekends, morale is sapped and every fixture looks laced with danger.

      Forget silverware, Liverpool’s proud and lucrative top-four status is under real threat. That should focus minds in Boston especially. Missing out would have serious ramifications in terms of the balance sheet. When January comes along, FSG needs to put right the mistakes of the summer."

      James Pearce today in The Athletic
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      Reply #32296: Oct 31, 2022 02:49:02 am
      Of course there's a petition now
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #32297: Oct 31, 2022 08:11:10 am
      One of the biggest mistake was the right back area.

      Yes Ramsay has been injured but you don't make a 19 year old lad who's only played SPL level football your second choice right back at a team like Liverpool.

      Trent has had a bad time of things and we could well have done with a competent deputy like Robbo has. Someone we can rely on. Instead we went on the cheap for a kid with 0 experience at an acceptable level.

      He is now back fit of course but is behind Joe Gomez and James Milner because Klopp cannot put him in because of the situation of the team.

      Some will say how can you write him off hes not even played for us yet? Well the fact that he hasn't tells you Jürgen cannot trust someone at that stage of their development with the situation we are in.

      I dont write off the SPL or the player, but at this stage of his career being on our bench unused is of no help to anyone. He needs games.

      Like Robbo moved to Hull and made a name for himself there, thats the stepping stone on his progression he needs to be on. Sitting on our bench and making up squad numbers is not going to help him  on his journey.

      He shouldn't be here, he should be playing football lower down the division. We wanted a cheap solution to a position at right back we have always neglected.

      Name me another top club who's 2nd right back is a midfielder/centre half or an untried teenager.

      It's the position in the team where the lack of investment is really shown to light.

      He needs loaning out, and we need to spend some money on a competent deputy who can come into this team regardlesd of if the garden is rosy or the sh*t has hit the fan.
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      Reply #32298: Oct 31, 2022 08:20:57 am
      The biggest mistake was the right back area. Yes Ramsay has been injured but you don't make a 19 year old lad who's only played SPL level football your second choice right back.

      Trent has had a bad time of things and we could well have done with a competent deputy like Robbo has. Someone we can rely on. Instead we went on the cheap for a kid with 0 experience at an acceptable level.

      He is now back fit of course but is behind Joe Gomez and James Milner because Klopp cannot put him in.

      Some will say how can you write him off hes not even played for us yet? Well the fact that he hasn't must mean something.

      I dont write off the SPL or the player just that at this stage of his career being on our bench is of no help to anyone. Like Robbo moved to Hull and made a name for himself there, there's a stepping stone on his progression he's never going to get back.

      He shouldn't be here, he should be playing football lower down the division.

      We wanted a cheap solution to a position at right back we have always neglected.

      Name me another top club who's 2nd right back is a midfielder/centre half or an untried teenager.

      It's the position in the team where the lack of investment is really shown to light.

      He needs loaning out, and we need to spend some money on a competent deputy who can come into thus team if the garden is rosy or the shut has hit the fan.

      That’s all really confusing


      Until this season TAA has been pretty much ever present because he didn’t suffer injuries and because of crucial he was to the way we played - he was superb.

      We had Williams as back up - Welsh international along with Gomez and Milner

      But because Williams wanted more regular first team he left so we replaced him with a Scottish under 21 international


      What sort of player do you think would look to come into the club to be back up to TAA knowing that he would be sat on the bench - getting a young talent in is exactly the way to go

      Milner has been in that role a number of times and never let us down , Gomez has played there a lot - especially when TAA was coming into the team and at some points being preferred to TAA against the top teams in Europe

      The cover is there for that area


      As for Ramsey - yes it’s poor that you are dismissing him already , he has had a few injuries to the start of his career and has only recently got fit to sit on the bench and will no doubt play in the cup game - Robbo if I remember correctly didn’t start playing in the team until November maybe December when he first arrived.

      Christ let the lad kick a ball for us first
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #32299: Oct 31, 2022 08:31:24 am
      One of the biggest mistake was the right back area.

      Yes Ramsay has been injured but you don't make a 19 year old lad who's only played SPL level football your second choice right back at a team like Liverpool.

      Trent has had a bad time of things and we could well have done with a competent deputy like Robbo has. Someone we can rely on. Instead we went on the cheap for a kid with 0 experience at an acceptable level.

      He is now back fit of course but is behind Joe Gomez and James Milner because Klopp cannot put him in because of the situation of the team.

      Some will say how can you write him off hes not even played for us yet? Well the fact that he hasn't tells you Jürgen cannot trust someone at that stage of their development with the situation we are in.

      I dont write off the SPL or the player, but at this stage of his career being on our bench unused is of no help to anyone. He needs games.

      Like Robbo moved to Hull and made a name for himself there, thats the stepping stone on his progression he needs to be on. Sitting on our bench and making up squad numbers is not going to help him  on his journey.

      He shouldn't be here, he should be playing football lower down the division. We wanted a cheap solution to a position at right back we have always neglected.

      Name me another top club who's 2nd right back is a midfielder/centre half or an untried teenager.

      It's the position in the team where the lack of investment is really shown to light.

      He needs loaning out, and we need to spend some money on a competent deputy who can come into this team regardlesd of if the garden is rosy or the sh*t has hit the fan.

      Irrelevant how old or where he has played if he is good enough. Robbo came from.the same level some would argue below from the championship . How many second choice right backs are going to come when we'll established or not guaranteed first team football every week
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #32300: Oct 31, 2022 12:29:12 pm


      Seems the preferred owners would be

      Elon Musk
      Bezos

      And Ambani

      Seems they all have one thing in common
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      Reply #32301: Oct 31, 2022 12:59:13 pm
      One of the biggest mistake was the right back area.

      Yes Ramsay has been injured but you don't make a 19 year old lad who's only played SPL level football your second choice right back at a team like Liverpool.

      Trent has had a bad time of things and we could well have done with a competent deputy like Robbo has. Someone we can rely on. Instead we went on the cheap for a kid with 0 experience at an acceptable level.

      He is now back fit of course but is behind Joe Gomez and James Milner because Klopp cannot put him in because of the situation of the team.

      Some will say how can you write him off hes not even played for us yet? Well the fact that he hasn't tells you Jürgen cannot trust someone at that stage of their development with the situation we are in.

      I dont write off the SPL or the player, but at this stage of his career being on our bench unused is of no help to anyone. He needs games.

      Like Robbo moved to Hull and made a name for himself there, thats the stepping stone on his progression he needs to be on. Sitting on our bench and making up squad numbers is not going to help him  on his journey.

      He shouldn't be here, he should be playing football lower down the division. We wanted a cheap solution to a position at right back we have always neglected.

      Name me another top club who's 2nd right back is a midfielder/centre half or an untried teenager.

      It's the position in the team where the lack of investment is really shown to light.

      He needs loaning out, and we need to spend some money on a competent deputy who can come into this team regardlesd of if the garden is rosy or the sh*t has hit the fan.

      Sign of the times I'm afraid. The books needed balancing in the summer. We had a Welsh international as reserve right back and we got offered 15m so we sold him and brought one in for 4.5. Purely a books balancing exercise. He was a saleable asset and we sold him.

      Ramsay at 4.5m might end up being a steal. Obviously he's been injured since July which sums us up really. But long term he could wind up a good investment and worse case scenario double our money maybe.

      For the here and now .... well we don't know do we. If he's good enough then he should fancy his chances of getting a game with trent all over the place and regressing by the day. He needs to get fit first. Once he's fit hopefully he can challenge for the 1st team

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      Reply #32302: Oct 31, 2022 01:24:54 pm

      Seems the preferred owners would be

      Elon Musk
      Bezos

      And Ambani

      Seems they all have one thing in common

      If only Donald trump hadn't lost all his dough
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      Reply #32303: Oct 31, 2022 01:31:58 pm
      If only Donald trump hadn't lost all his dough

      Well he seems to be able to get some leveraged funds from somewhere
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      Reply #32304: Oct 31, 2022 04:59:28 pm
      Sign of the times I'm afraid. The books needed balancing in the summer. We had a Welsh international as reserve right back and we got offered 15m so we sold him and brought one in for 4.5. Purely a books balancing exercise. He was a saleable asset and we sold him.

      Ramsay at 4.5m might end up being a steal. Obviously he's been injured since July which sums us up really. But long term he could wind up a good investment and worse case scenario double our money maybe.

      For the here and now .... well we don't know do we. If he's good enough then he should fancy his chances of getting a game with trent all over the place and regressing by the day. He needs to get fit first. Once he's fit hopefully he can challenge for the 1st team



      Yes I know why we did it and there's every chance hes a good footballer. He's just not the man/boy we need right now. The question was asked exactly what is it we need right now at right back and that's a pro who can play right now. Chucking Milner, Gomez, Fab, Hendo there isn't proper cover that's just putting a body there. Yet I think given the choice Klopp would play all of those their before Ramsay.

      19 year olds need games. There's no way he's ever going to develop into a top class footballer sitting on our bench.

      At left back we have the cover. It's not a 19 year old kid but a 26 year old who can handle himself with the best of them who had 2 proper seasons with Olympiakos and already knew his game.

      Ramsay has been fit for a good month now but is looking no closer to getting minutes. Realistically Klopo is in no position to be able to play him because of the dire situation we are in.

      Perhaps tomorrow in a dead rubber? We shall see.
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      Reply #32305: Oct 31, 2022 05:02:21 pm
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      Reply #32306: Oct 31, 2022 05:20:44 pm

      Seems the preferred owners would be

      Elon Musk
      Bezos

      And Ambani

      Seems they all have one thing in common

      Musk's already quoted himself as being a manc fan so he can F**k off!!
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      Reply #32307: Oct 31, 2022 05:49:52 pm
      Musk's already quoted himself as being a manc fan so he can f**k off!!

      he is just talking sh*te nobody has a list of preferred owners he is worried his Shrine to JH would have to come down. They (FSG) know they are going to get left behind if they dont start playing ball . They have no value left in the squad to sell so they are going to have to dig deep for once.
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      Reply #32308: Oct 31, 2022 05:58:35 pm
      he is just talking sh*te nobody has a list of preferred owners he is worried his Shrine to JH would have to come down. They (FSG) know they are going to get left behind if they dont start playing ball . They have no value left in the squad to sell so they are going to have to dig deep for once.

      https://twitter.com/rabyna46/status/1587049274042359810?s=46&t=nKwmi8XjNEN7oshCSxrPvA

      🛎 end
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      Reply #32309: Oct 31, 2022 06:11:13 pm
      he is just talking sh*te nobody has a list of preferred owners he is worried his Shrine to JH would have to come down. They (FSG) know they are going to get left behind if they dont start playing ball . They have no value left in the squad to sell so they are going to have to dig deep for once.

      But will they, they haven’t so far
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      Reply #32310: Oct 31, 2022 06:46:03 pm
      Musk's already quoted himself as being a manc fan so he can f**k off!!

      Thank fcuk for that, don’t want him anywhere near your club.
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      Reply #32311: Oct 31, 2022 06:51:02 pm
      Don’t know how true this is, but I’m hearing there’s banners up around Anfield calling for FSG to go !

      Really ?  Do the dickheads  have anyone else in mind, who just happen to be ready to jump in and take over, and do a better job.🤷‍♂️

      I know it’s said the world would be a boring place if we all thought the same. 
      It’s just incredible how deranged some people are.
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      Reply #32312: Oct 31, 2022 06:53:32 pm
      Don’t know how true this is, but I’m hearing there’s banners up around Anfield calling for FSG to go !

      Really ?  Do the dickheads  have anyone else in mind, who just happen to be ready to jump in and take over, and do a better job.🤷‍♂️

      I know it’s said the world would be a boring place if we all thought the same. 
      It’s just incredible how deranged some people are.

      They aren’t - it’s people circulating the pictures from the banners at the ESL protest
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      Reply #32313: Oct 31, 2022 06:56:08 pm
      They aren’t - it’s people circulating the pictures from the banners at the ESL protest

      Thank F**k for that. Was wondering what sort of fans we’ve got on board nowadays.
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      Reply #32314: Oct 31, 2022 07:00:57 pm
      Thank f**k for that. Was wondering what sort of fans we’ve got on board nowadays.

      Don’t worry - those throwing their teddies around about the owners are the ones that prob need a sat Nav to find the city

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