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      Robby The Z
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      Reply #2200: Oct 10, 2020 09:03:35 am
      Agreed and he is a Moron.

      Sometimes, only sometimes, I might watch the ESPN half hour talk show they have and he just dribbles on and talks sh*t.

      The others just look at him bewildered!  So do I.

      Reminds me that as an American I could go to UK and give the most brilliant intellectual presentation about something and at the sound of my accent, 3/4 of those listening would immediately decide it was rubbish. Someone coming the other way could spout absolute sh*te and everyone would think it was inspired.

      Nicol was a manager here for several years when I was in sports media and the stories I'd hear about him and Paul Mariner would make you shake your head.
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      Reply #2201: Oct 10, 2020 09:25:32 am
      Imagine paying £14.95 a game extra to listen to Martin Tyler et al drone on 🤣
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      Reply #2203: Oct 19, 2020 07:44:25 am
      Carra in his desperation to come across as a unbiased commentator has gone down in my estimation in his backing of Pickford.
      Almost screaming at Souness yesterday on Sky.....
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      Reply #2204: Oct 19, 2020 09:37:01 am
      Carra in his desperation to come across as a unbiased commentator has gone down in my estimation in his backing of Pickford.
      Almost screaming at Souness yesterday on Sky.....
      What a c**t he is! F**k that spitting pr**k embarrassing his take on the situation. Zero time for cu*ts like him right now bad enough everyone else having a field day.
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      Reply #2205: Oct 19, 2020 09:39:55 am
      Carra in his desperation to come across as a unbiased commentator has gone down in my estimation in his backing of Pickford.
      Almost screaming at Souness yesterday on Sky.....

      He's never been the same since the spitting fiasco.
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      Reply #2206: Oct 19, 2020 09:45:22 am
      Carra in his desperation to come across as a unbiased commentator has gone down in my estimation in his backing of Pickford.
      Almost screaming at Souness yesterday on Sky.....

      Hes not really backing him hes saying it wasnt deliberate

      For what its worth I dont think it was either

      It was reckless, he deserved to go, Carra said that too but it wasnt premeditated

      I genuinely think some of you shouldn't listen to the post match stuff

      Devastating for us, genuinely genuinely gutted but it wasnt premeditated

      These things happen in football, Souey and Carra both should know this

      Actually Richarlisons challenge in football terms was far worse
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      Reply #2207: Oct 19, 2020 11:43:48 am
      Hes not really backing him hes saying it wasnt deliberate

      For what its worth I dont think it was either

      It was reckless, he deserved to go, Carra said that too but it wasnt premeditated

      I genuinely think some of you shouldn't listen to the post match stuff

      Devastating for us, genuinely genuinely gutted but it wasnt premeditated

      These things happen in football, Souey and Carra both should know this

      Actually Richarlisons challenge in football terms was far worse
      We both watched the same footage right ? Both challenges were malicious and with intent there is no way Pickford has an intent to make a play at a legal tackle scissoring a lad who is 6ft6 at knee height?!

      F**k Carragher sick of him.
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      Reply #2208: Oct 19, 2020 11:52:30 am
      We both watched the same footage right ? Both challenges were malicious and with intent there is no way Pickford has an intent to make a play at a legal tackle scissoring a lad who is 6ft6 at knee height?!

      F**k Carragher sick of him.

      Malicious and intent? In less than a seconds worth of thinking time?

      No chance, what it was and is,is more proof of his lack of ability or reading which has shown in his actual keeping in the last 2 years

      He went to make himself big and block the angle, but he got it so wrong he clattered him at knee height

      Awful reading, awful attempt, awful goalkeeping. But malicious and with intent to hurt? No chance

      The other one though? He would have known he cant win that, a far worse "attempt" and Thiago got lucky where Virg didnt

      All carragher was saying is that he didn't mean to do him,which I agree with
      He did though and should have seen red

      Malicious and intent, I'm not sure any players bar the very very few small incidence happen ( Souey being one actually I'm aware of, Keane another )
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      Reply #2209: Oct 19, 2020 12:06:06 pm
      Malicious and intent? In less than a seconds worth of thinking time?

      No chance, what it was and is,is more proof of his lack of ability or reading which has shown in his actual keeping in the last 2 years

      He went to make himself big and block the angle, but he got it so wrong he clattered him at knee height

      Awful reading, awful attempt, awful goalkeeping. But malicious and with intent to hurt? No chance

      The other one though? He would have known he cant win that, a far worse "attempt" and Thiago got lucky where Virg didnt

      All carragher was saying is that he didn't mean to do him,which I agree with
      He did though and should have seen red

      Malicious and intent, I'm not sure any players bar the very very few small incidence happen ( Souey being one actually I'm aware of, Keane another )

      As much as I adore Souey he is not in a position to criticize others do you remember the one he did for Rangers absolutely  x rated
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      Reply #2210: Oct 19, 2020 12:30:30 pm
      Malicious and intent? In less than a seconds worth of thinking time?

      No chance, what it was and is,is more proof of his lack of ability or reading which has shown in his actual keeping in the last 2 years

      He went to make himself big and block the angle, but he got it so wrong he clattered him at knee height

      Awful reading, awful attempt, awful goalkeeping. But malicious and with intent to hurt? No chance

      The other one though? He would have known he cant win that, a far worse "attempt" and Thiago got lucky where Virg didnt

      All carragher was saying is that he didn't mean to do him,which I agree with
      He did though and should have seen red

      Malicious and intent, I'm not sure any players bar the very very few small incidence happen ( Souey being one actually I'm aware of, Keane another )

      Malice and intent are two different things.  The  intention was there to stop VVD regardless of any consequences. Does that imply malice. For it to be called malicious there has to be the desire to cause harm and I don't think Pickford had that desire.

      It was serious foul play and it was a red card. It's a contact sport,VVD knows that and I very much doubt VVD harbours any grudge against Pickford. I don't either.
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      Reply #2211: Oct 19, 2020 12:40:13 pm
      Malice and intent are two different things.  The  intention was there to stop VVD regardless of any consequences. Does that imply malice. For it to be called malicious there has to be the desire to cause harm and I don't think Pickford had that desire.

      It was serious foul play and it was a red card. It's a contact sport,VVD knows that and I very much doubt VVD harbours any grudge against Pickford. I don't either.

      Same for me,and Carra too it seems

      I think malice, intent, premeditation is getting mixed up with lack of ability and reading of the game

      As much as I adore Souey he is not in a position to criticize others do you remember the one he did for Rangers absolutely  x rated

      I do mate, also away in europe for us I recall stories of him admitting intent

      I love the bloke but yeah hes not on a strong footing there

      Pickford deserved a red, 100%.. but I don't think he attempted to hurt Virgil

      I'm not actually sure the same could be said for Richarlison, but because thiago seems to have got away with a serious one and a red was given that seems to be being forgotten

      That was an awful straight legged, studs showing, over the top of the ball sh*t house

      The difference is before he launched he knew the potential outcome.. I'm not sure Pickford did, he just got it awfully wrong and that is more of his lack of ability for me than intent

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      Reply #2212: Oct 19, 2020 12:43:54 pm
      Malicious and intent? In less than a seconds worth of thinking time?

      No chance, what it was and is,is more proof of his lack of ability or reading which has shown in his actual keeping in the last 2 years

      He went to make himself big and block the angle, but he got it so wrong he clattered him at knee height

      Awful reading, awful attempt, awful goalkeeping. But malicious and with intent to hurt? No chance

      The other one though? He would have known he cant win that, a far worse "attempt" and Thiago got lucky where Virg didnt

      All carragher was saying is that he didn't mean to do him,which I agree with
      He did though and should have seen red

      Malicious and intent, I'm not sure any players bar the very very few small incidence happen ( Souey being one actually I'm aware of, Keane another )




      Can't say that for certain mate although I do agree it's unlikely,  no one is privy to what is said and by whom in a dressing room, but it's entirely possible,
      opposition players can be targeted for let's just say special treatment,  dark arts are alive and kicking (pardon the pun) today as they have always been,

      Essentially that was a two footed tackle in mid air and designed to hurt/maim a player, if it happened anywhere outside the box it's a straight red and automatic 3 match ban, seconds, nano seconds are irrelevant, as is making yourself big,  you can do that without jumping into a player,  that to me makes it more of a deliberate ploy than a genuine attempt to block/stop the player,

      Your spot on in regards to Pickford, and i can't help but think that the stick he gets for his inabilities and the constant piss taking from us especially has got to him, and perhaps inwardly he has got some revenge, only that kunt knows for sure.


      For me Carra has become a bit of a soft arse, he has to come across now as more of a brown nose to his paymasters,  yesterday's spat with Souness a typical (new) Carra response,  seemingly being more diplomatic, for most of us he's just talking sh*te.



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      Reply #2213: Oct 19, 2020 12:56:11 pm
      Same for me,and Carra too it seems

      I think malice, intent, premeditation is getting mixed up with lack of ability and reading of the game

      I do mate, also away in europe for us I recall stories of him admitting intent

      I love the bloke but yeah hes not on a strong footing there

      Pickford deserved a red, 100%.. but I don't think he attempted to hurt Virgil

      I'm not actually sure the same could be said for Richarlison, but because thiago seems to have got away with a serious one and a red was given that seems to be being forgotten

      That was an awful straight legged, studs showing, over the top of the ball sh*t house

      The difference is before he launched he knew the potential outcome.. I'm not sure Pickford did, he just got it awfully wrong and that is more of his lack of ability for me than intent

      Yep agree not sure he is the brightest button and has had previous going in like this think against Delle Ali if memory serves
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      Reply #2214: Oct 19, 2020 01:05:30 pm
      Yep agree not sure he is the brightest button and has had previous going in like this think against Delle Ali if memory serves

      There is an issue with Keepers.They get protection from the ref and players who are clean thru but if it looks like the keeper will win then the player jumps over and doesn't put the boot in to prevent the keeper getting injured.

      But the keeper can lunge at a player with his whole body and clatter into a player and they get the benefit of the doubt.They are in effect a 'protected species'.
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      Reply #2215: Oct 19, 2020 01:10:21 pm
      Hes not really backing him hes saying it wasnt deliberate

      For what its worth I dont think it was either

      It was reckless, he deserved to go, Carra said that too but it wasnt premeditated

      I genuinely think some of you shouldn't listen to the post match stuff

      Devastating for us, genuinely genuinely gutted but it wasnt premeditated

      These things happen in football, Souey and Carra both should know this

      Actually Richarlisons challenge in football terms was far worse

      A scissor kick challenge is beyond reckless it endangers the safety of a fellow professional, so premeditated or not makes no difference

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      Reply #2216: Oct 19, 2020 02:24:28 pm
      F**k Carragher.

      Great servant to us when he was a player but he’s become a proper tw*t since joining Sky.
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      Reply #2217: Oct 19, 2020 02:26:57 pm
      F**k Carragher.

      Great servant to us when he was a player but he’s become a proper tw*t since joining Sky.
      He’s trying way too hard to show he’s not biased towards Liverpool, it’s become embarrassing
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      Reply #2218: Oct 19, 2020 02:31:30 pm
      Not going to believe that Pickford didn't see a chance to lay out Virgil and he took it. Did he explicitly think "I'm going to try and snap his ACL". No probably not. Did he explicitly think "I'm going to go in hard and make Virgil pay for this"...yes and you won't convince me otherwise. He's a reckless player likely because he's not a good keeper to begin with and he isn't ever in the right position.
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      Reply #2219: Oct 19, 2020 03:28:11 pm
      Not going to believe that Pickford didn't see a chance to lay out Virgil and he took it. Did he explicitly think "I'm going to try and snap his ACL". No probably not. Did he explicitly think "I'm going to go in hard and make Virgil pay for this"...yes and you won't convince me otherwise. He's a reckless player likely because he's not a good keeper to begin with and he isn't ever in the right position.

      So in the time of the ball being hooked over to Virgil and it landing is around a second, his reaction time is a shade of that.. no chance he thought it through, he wouldn't have time, he reacted immediately and it was his poor technique and reading led to what happened

      So, having played the game you wont convince me in this specific incident he had time to think he was going to ho in hard on the player and make him pay l, no chance

      He sh*te, his reading his sh*te, his technique is sh*te, his delivery of his attempted block is sh*te but he wouldnt have any time in this situation to have thought this through, even quickly because most of the play isnt in his line of vision
      He was reactive, no proactive in this

      The difference with Richarlison is it all happens in front of him and he can see and anticipate what will happen because it's happened a thousand times like this in a game, he would know he is highly unlikely to get the ball there because it was 40/60 against him

      Pickford in a crowded area with the ball being played out of his line of vision couldnt compute really what the odds were quickly enough which is what makes the technical aspect of it so poor
      Its 100% a penalty (the offside saves him) but it's also 100% a red (the offside shouldn't have saved him there)

      A scissor kick challenge is beyond reckless it endangers the safety of a fellow professional, so premeditated or not makes no difference



      The scissor kick challenge though is kind of what keepers do to make themselves big, look back on how Schmeichel used to come out in a one on one, exactly the same, but with the play and therefore the control of the action in front of him

      Pickford wasnt in control because technically in that situation he couldnt be, so out of control of his body in the tackle, penalty and red card.. but not an attempt to do Virgil.. just f**king awful technique
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      Reply #2220: Oct 19, 2020 03:32:59 pm
      A scissor kick challenge is beyond reckless it endangers the safety of a fellow professional, so premeditated or not makes no difference



      If Prickford was in midfield you half expect that kind of challenge, but the c**t made no attempt for the ball & took the big man knee high.. surprised Virgil never snapped his thigh bone too...
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      Reply #2221: Oct 19, 2020 03:36:17 pm
      If Prickford was in midfield you half expect that kind of challenge, but the c**t made to attempt for the ball & took the big man knew high.. surprised Virgil never snapped his thigh bone too...

      But that's the point, you wouldnt get this type of tackle in midfield

      Let's not get it wrong here, I'm not defending him whatsoever, he  deserved to go but what I'm saying is there was no chance this was deliberate on his behalf

      Hes just sh*te
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      Reply #2222: Oct 19, 2020 03:47:54 pm
      But that's the point, you wouldnt get this type of tackle in midfield

      Let's not get it wrong here, I'm not defending him whatsoever, he  deserved to go but what I'm saying is there was no chance this was deliberate on his behalf

      Hes just sh*te

      I’m sure Kuyt went in thigh high against Everton or was that Gerrard..?

      I’ve seen the vid of the tackle a few times now & Prickford goes for the ball initially but once he realised he won’t make it he decided to take Virgil out deliberately in my opinion..
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      Reply #2223: Oct 19, 2020 04:00:06 pm
      I’m sure Kuyt went in thigh high against Everton or was that Gerrard..?

      I’ve seen the vid of the tackle a few times now & Prickford goes for the ball initially but once he realised he won’t make it he decided to take Virgil out deliberately in my opinion..

      Both against the blues, Kuyt was on Neville
      Gerrard numerous 😀

      The second point even of that's the case doesnt make it premeditated, or an intention to hurt

      At best it makes it a desperate attempt to stop a goal

      We arent arguing if he fouled him, or that he was in the wrong or if it was a foul.
      Its if there was intent to hurt and I dont think there was. There literally wouldnt be enough time to think of doing that, and even more so as a secondary movement
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      Reply #2224: Oct 19, 2020 04:35:33 pm
      Hes not really backing him hes saying it wasnt deliberate

      For what its worth I dont think it was either

      It was reckless, he deserved to go, Carra said that too but it wasnt premeditated

      I genuinely think some of you shouldn't listen to the post match stuff

      Devastating for us, genuinely genuinely gutted but it wasnt premeditated

      These things happen in football, Souey and Carra both should know this

      Actually Richarlisons challenge in football terms was far worse

      Surely you can’t think that mate?

      It was 100% deliberate and done with intent. I’m not saying that because of the outcome or because I hate everton, I’m saying it as somebody who’s played football his entire life. 

      You do not leave the ground like that unless you want to seriously clatter your opponent. Not having anybody using the excuse of he’s a keeper and his job is to ‘make himself big’. He leapt three foot in the air and went in with his feet and scissored him.

      He might not have wanted to cause a bloody ACL injury but I’ve got no doubt what so ever he meant to clatter Virgil.

      Disgaree richarlisons was worse too. Both reckless but atleast richarlisons was an old fashioned 50-50 with the ball to be won. Pickfords was border-line assault.

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