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      heimdall
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      Reply #2325: Nov 26, 2020 06:58:52 pm





      Sorry mate but I think you are taking your new hatred of Carra a tad too far, you cannot compère the two era’s , in the Carra/Gerard era we had a few managers trying to implement their own philosophy in a dressing room no where near as tight as what we have now, also the quality is much better and as a club everyone from the chief exec to the wonderful dinner ladies & cleaners are all singing from the same song sheet, we certainly didn’t have that then and perhaps that’s the real reason we were not as successful, the spitting incident was disgusting as you say but ffs mate you don’t half hold a grudge,

      Everyone makes mistakes and Carra made a monumental one that day, yes he should have known better and yes he should have held back his frustration/ anger but let it go fella, it’s gone and I’m sure Carra deeply regrets his actions, I agree that at times Carra comes across as being bigger than his station allows, but that is just him big headed & arrogant, that doesn’t show him in a good light granted but I guess you either like it or lump it,

      I’d rather remember Carra and what he did for us on the pitch rather than what he is off it, his continuous shouting and encouragement of players is legendary and to be fair put players in their place at times when it was needed, I remember the hundreds of tackles he made and the countless interceptions that prevented goals against, and who can ever forget his performance in Istanbul, that’s what I remember of him rather than a one off spitting incident that was so out of character,

      At times I too do not like what he says, or some of his comments and will call him out on them, but I will always admire and respect  & be grateful for what he gave to LFC.




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      I think people have a tendency to view Carra through rose tinted glasses, he was a good defender but never great.
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      Reply #2326: Nov 26, 2020 07:21:37 pm
      100% agree, I can imagine Carragher being a complete c**t as a player, bullying the dressing room. Stevie G I think was probably fine, but I've always seen him as being a bit aloof, not in a nasty way, but I just can't imagine him being that involved off the pitch, despite being captain.

      What makes you think Carragher was a bully? Near enough every player who played with him speaks about him in glowing terms. He was certainly loud and made himself heard but you need that in a centre half. Gerrard was no Roy Keane and tended to lead with his feet & ability, so Carra did a lot of the on-field encouraging.

      If we're talking about bullying that culture was a lot more prevalent in the 70s & 80s, with the likes of Souness & Hansen giving new recruits baptisms of fire. Didn't seem to do us any harm though
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      Reply #2327: Nov 26, 2020 07:31:36 pm
      I think people have a tendency to view Carra through rose tinted glasses, he was a good defender but never great.




      I think people don't appreciate what Carra brought to the table,  he gave his whole career to Liverpool FC, and being from Bootle it meant more to him than anyone outside of Merseyside,
      His passion and determination shone through and has LFC in his DNA, he is a bona fide Scouser and like those before him like Fowler, Thommo,  Tommy Smith to name but a few ran through brick walls for his club,

      "We all dream of a team of Carraghers,"

      Is testament to what he meant to true Liverpool fans, those who truly appreciate what he gave his whole career,

      If you believe he was a bully in the dressing room and was only good then you are being disrespectful to our second most longest serving player in history,  and quite frankly a bit of a kunt if I'm honest!
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      Reply #2328: Nov 26, 2020 07:41:22 pm
      I think people have a tendency to view Carra through rose tinted glasses, he was a good defender but never great.

      You dont play nearly 800 games for Liverpool football club if you're simply "good"
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      Reply #2329: Nov 26, 2020 07:48:50 pm
      Looking back at the era of Gerrard and Carragher, I wonder now what sort of atmosphere was created at the club. Not laying the blame with them but I think we have a mich more inclusive culture these days.

      I agree. I would bet that the dressing room is much more of a flat hierarchy now than it has ever been at Liverpool.
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      Reply #2330: Nov 26, 2020 09:08:43 pm
      I think people have a tendency to view Carra through rose tinted glasses, he was a good defender but never great.

      And you call me a WUM  :lmao: Your a brave man heimy  ;D
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      Reply #2331: Nov 26, 2020 09:55:23 pm

      Not the terminology I would use ...
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      Reply #2332: Nov 26, 2020 10:05:13 pm
      Not the terminology I would use ...

      I'll be diplomatic and presume you mean a wum.  :lmao:
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      Reply #2333: Nov 26, 2020 11:56:29 pm
      You dont play nearly 800 games for Liverpool football club if you're simply "good"

      Great to some might mean Maldini and Cafu level, which dwarfs Carra comparatively.

      We set our own bar. I could set great to be such a high bar that only two players to me are great - Pele and Maradona. Forget Eusebio, Zatlan, Maldini, Cryuff, Backenbauer, Ronaldo, and Messi etc. Or I could push the bar even higher - I've never seen a great football player before. Even Maradona and Pele weren't that good.

      Whether it's fair, that's another question. It's everybody's right to draw their own boundaries whichever way they like.

      I'd include Carra as a club great. As long as you make it into our museum, I'd consider you to be great. And because you played 800 games for us.
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      Reply #2334: Nov 27, 2020 03:16:31 am
      I'll be diplomatic and presume you mean a wum.  :lmao:

      Uh ........................ ....................... no.
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      Reply #2335: Nov 27, 2020 07:46:35 am
      Great to some might mean Maldini and Cafu level, which dwarfs Carra comparatively.

      We set our own bar. I could set great to be such a high bar that only two players to me are great - Pele and Maradona. Forget Eusebio, Zatlan, Maldini, Cryuff, Backenbauer, Ronaldo, and Messi etc. Or I could push the bar even higher - I've never seen a great football player before. Even Maradona and Pele weren't that good.

      Whether it's fair, that's another question. It's everybody's right to draw their own boundaries whichever way they like.

      I'd include Carra as a club great. As long as you make it into our museum, I'd consider you to be great. And because you played 800 games for us.






      We’re not comparing Carra to Maldini, Cafu, etc we’re talking about what service he gave LFC, of course he wasn’t as good as those world beaters but he was good & great enough to play 737 times for Liverpool FC, spanning 17 years, 149 of those were in European competition a club record, he was vice captain for 10 years and but for managerial choices would no doubt have been Captain,

      I can’t believe some so called Liverpool fans are so dismissive of one of our most passionate players  in recent times, had he been born 10 years later he’d be at the centre of our defence with Virgil(possibly) and we’d all be waxing lyrical about the best CB pairing since Hansen & Lawrenson/ Gillespie,

      What type of player do you want most in a Liverpool side ?

      You want someone who has Liverpool blood running through him, a proper Scouser who knows what it means to pull that Red shirt over his head, knows what it means to Play in front of fellow red Scousers, with a few Scots chucked in as well, you had all that and more in Carra, but apparently that doesn’t matter anymore, yeah, well good luck saying that in the Sandon .


      “We all dream of a team of Carraghers”





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      Reply #2336: Nov 27, 2020 09:27:48 am
      Uh ........................ ....................... no.

      Oh dear must be bad then  :lmao:
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      Reply #2337: Nov 27, 2020 09:44:46 am
      I dont think Carragher is towing any Sky line, I think he thinks of himself as a pundit who knows the game and can give a clear opinion over what he is witnessing, but there is no doubt where his loyalties are when it comes to Liverpool

      Has anyone listened to his greatest game podcast? Similar way of interviewing on there, rounded overall view. Think it's just his style and I'm sound with that, I honestly dont know why people get wound up by pundits, like they know the game better than them

      I'd recommend the Pod if people haven't listened to it, I've listened to most, not wasted my time listening to a couple like the Ryan Giggs one or Chris Moyles
      Didi Hamman on this weeks, and I tell you what I loved the Tim Cahill one, he seems a proper sound fella
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      Reply #2338: Nov 27, 2020 05:00:47 pm

      Has anyone listened to his greatest game podcast? Similar way of interviewing on there, rounded overall view. Think it's just his style and I'm sound with that, I honestly dont know why people get wound up by pundits, like they know the game better than them

      I'd recommend the Pod if people haven't listened to it, I've listened to most, not wasted my time listening to a couple like the Ryan Giggs one or Chris Moyles
      Didi Hamman on this weeks, and I tell you what I loved the Tim Cahill one, he seems a proper sound fella

      The Giggs one wasn't bad to be fair. Gave it a listen as at least he was a footballer. All the non-footballer ones I don't bother with, like the lad from One Direction and Chris Moyles as you mentioned. Good podcast but it would be much better if he kept it to people who have actually played the game professionally
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      Reply #2339: Nov 28, 2020 02:45:57 pm
      Who is this w**ker grilling Jürgen on BT condescending  tw*t
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      Reply #2340: Nov 28, 2020 02:53:51 pm
      Who is this w**ker grilling Jürgen on BT condescending  tw*t

      That was some post match interview with Klopp.  :o :o who was it?
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      Reply #2341: Nov 28, 2020 03:03:31 pm
      Who is this w**ker grilling Jürgen on BT condescending  tw*t

      Des Kelly? Cant say I've ever heard of the c**t but hes lucky Jürgen didnt spark him
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      Reply #2342: Nov 28, 2020 03:13:15 pm
      Des Kelly? Cant say I've ever heard of the c**t but hes lucky Jürgen didnt spark him

      Former sports journalist at Mirror and Mail, basically their version of Geoff Shreeves.
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      Reply #2343: Nov 28, 2020 03:14:53 pm
      Former sports journalist at Mirror and Mail, basically their version of Geoff Shreeves.

      Yeah just looked him up

      Talkshite too

      So the daily hail and the radio version  of the sun..

      As I said, lucky Jürgen didnt spark him
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      Reply #2344: Nov 28, 2020 03:35:14 pm
      Yeah just looked him up

      Talkshite too

      So the daily hail and the radio version  of the sun..

      As I said, lucky Jürgen didnt spark him

      Anybody with the name Desmond should be required to be sparked at least once a day anyway, by law
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      Reply #2345: Nov 29, 2020 07:06:50 pm
      Off the top of my head


      Pundits I like
      Souness
      Rosenior
      Higginbotham
      Hinchcliffe
      Alan Smith
      Keane
      Gullit
      Carragher
      Dublin



      Pundits who I think are bad
      Osman
      Richards
      Merson
      Macca

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      Reply #2346: Dec 01, 2020 11:50:25 am
      Argue all you like about Des Kelly but he did his job and his bosses will be delighted with him.

      Got Jürgen to let his guard down.
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      Reply #2347: Dec 01, 2020 09:11:42 pm
      Am I the only one who can’t listen to Merson anymore??.
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      Reply #2348: Dec 02, 2020 09:31:53 am
      Am I the only one who can’t listen to Merson anymore??.

      Anymore?

      He's a clueless bellend but gladly I don't come across him too much.

      Anyone else find Carra and Neville's faux 'rivalry' and banter a bit tiresome?
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      Reply #2349: Dec 02, 2020 11:25:24 am
      Am I the only one who can’t listen to Merson anymore??.

      I stopped listening to him when he stood on the pitch every time after a goal pretending to down lager after lager.
      T**t.

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