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      Reply #2475: Jun 24, 2021 11:17:33 am
      The difference between the British ex-player pundits, and the foreign ex-player pundits is immense.

      The British ones just talk inane sh*te, with the exception of some females players.

      The foreign ex-players they get on, are more concise, incisive and talk a lot more sense.
      They don't treat the viewers as eejits by default, which seems to be the way with the Brits.

      It's actually quite funny, when you see one of them looking over with a slight look of panic on their face, thinking "f**k, I might have to say something sensible here."

      Having said that, I find Keane quite entertaining, even though he is now almost a caricature of himself.

      The Brits?
      Stealing a living.
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      Reply #2476: Jun 24, 2021 11:25:53 am
      The difference between the British ex-player pundits, and the foreign ex-player pundits is immense.

      The British ones just talk inane sh*te, with the exception of some females players.

      The foreign ex-players they get on, are more concise, incisive and talk a lot more sense.
      They don't treat the viewers as eejits by default, which seems to be the way with the Brits.

      It's actually quite funny, when you see one of them looking over with a slight look of panic on their face, thinking "f**k, I might have to say something sensible here."

      Having said that, I find Keane quite entertaining, even though he is now almost a caricature of himself.

      The Brits?
      Stealing a living.

      I don't think some ex-players treat viewers as idiots, I just think they're f**king idiots which doesn't help.
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      Reply #2477: Jun 24, 2021 11:29:03 am
      What is the obsession with commentator and pundits calling midfielders 'Quarterbacks'?



      I have not heard that yet and surely hope I do not. Please don't allow the NFL to bleed into real football.
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      Reply #2478: Jun 24, 2021 11:30:06 am
      I don't think some ex-players treat viewers as idiots, I just think they're f**king idiots which doesn't help.

      Ally been a breath of fresh air during the Euro's. Need him in the Premier league more often.
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      Reply #2479: Jun 24, 2021 11:53:59 am
      I don't think some ex-players treat viewers as idiots, I just think they're f**king idiots which doesn't help.

      That's true as well, but they assume that everyone else is even thicker.
      Some of it comes from being coddled all their lives because they happened to be good at kicking a f**king ball, a lot of it is arrogance, and another part of it is the stupid persons way of thinking "This is what I know, therefore it is everything and must be right."

      Let's be honest here, the Brit pundits are, for the most part, dinosaurs, who still see 3 CB's as an exotic system, and harp on about a 442 with a "big man, little man" combination.

      You can see they are utterly flummoxed by England's 433 - they don't really know the system at all.
      TBF it appears Southgate doesn't really know it either.
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      Reply #2480: Jun 24, 2021 11:56:19 am
      Ally been a breath of fresh air during the Euro's. Need him in the Premier league more often.

      If you are looking for tactical insight from a co-commentator, he's not your man.

      If you want honesty and entertainment, he's about the best at the moment.
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      Reply #2481: Jun 24, 2021 12:14:25 pm
      That's true as well, but they assume that everyone else is even thicker.
      Some of it comes from being coddled all their lives because they happened to be good at kicking a f**king ball, a lot of it is arrogance, and another part of it is the stupid persons way of thinking "This is what I know, therefore it is everything and must be right."

      Let's be honest here, the Brit pundits are, for the most part, dinosaurs, who still see 3 CB's as an exotic system, and harp on about a 442 with a "big man, little man" combination.

      You can see they are utterly flummoxed by England's 433 - they don't really know the system at all.
      TBF it appears Southgate doesn't really know it either.

      So many times you hear them bang on about

       'you need two up top'

      'they need to whip a ball in'

      'got to be man to man'

      And other such endless, clueless nonsense.
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      Reply #2482: Jun 24, 2021 01:14:13 pm
      So many times you hear them bang on about

       'you need two up top'

      'they need to whip a ball in'

      'got to be man to man'

      And other such endless, clueless nonsense.

      Easy when you sat down in a chair looking down isn't it. Problem is half of them didn't do it on the pitch yet spout in their armchairs thinking they do.
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      Reply #2483: Jun 24, 2021 01:17:28 pm
      Easy when you sat down in a chair looking down isn't it. Problem is half of them didn't do it on the pitch yet spout in their armchairs thinking they do.

      Don’t talk nonsense

      Sh*te commentators yes but they didn’t get to play at the top level without being very good footballers now did they

      Levels yes but if you think that any of them weren’t very good then you’re kidding yourself
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      Reply #2484: Jun 24, 2021 01:23:42 pm
      Don’t talk nonsense

      Sh*te commentators yes but they didn’t get to play at the top level without being very good footballers now did they

      Levels yes but if you think that any of them weren’t very good then you’re kidding yourself

      I said half of them not all.
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      Reply #2485: Jun 24, 2021 01:28:58 pm

      And I say all

      It’s such a lazy argument to say ex pros weren’t good when in fact any player at whatever level who has made it pro is actually in the top 1% and is actually an unbelievable footballer to have made it
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      Reply #2486: Jun 24, 2021 01:31:33 pm
      Don’t talk nonsense

      Sh*te commentators yes but they didn’t get to play at the top level without being very good footballers now did they

      Levels yes but if you think that any of them weren’t very good then you’re kidding yourself

      Being a good footballer, does not equate to knowledge of the game.

      Being able to follow the directions of someone who understands a system, does not equate to understanding that system.

      If the players actually understood the game in the way the top coaches do, there would be no need for coaches.

      It's the same with anything: being able to play in an orchestra does not make a person Beethoven.

      It's not a difficult concept to grasp.
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      Reply #2487: Jun 24, 2021 01:41:49 pm
      Being a good footballer, does not equate to knowledge of the game.

      Being able to follow the directions of someone who understands a system, does not equate to understanding that system.

      If the players actually understood the game in the way the top coaches do, there would be no need for coaches.

      It's the same with anything: being able to play in an orchestra does not make a person Beethoven.

      It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

      Neither is understanding what someone posted  and not being arrogant enough to think everyone is still on your point

      Keith said that they didn’t even do it on the pitch

      That’s the point I’m debating not whether they’re good or bad pundits, I agreed that most weren’t

      Or is that too difficult to grasp for you?

      Now I’ll just grab my tin hat for swab the bully boy to rant at me and then tell me I’m on ignore
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      Reply #2488: Jun 24, 2021 01:49:39 pm
      Neither is understanding what someone posted  and not being arrogant enough to think everyone is still on your point

      Keith said that they didn’t even do it on the pitch

      That’s the point I’m debating not whether they’re good or bad pundits, I agreed that most weren’t

      Or is that too difficult to grasp for you?

      Now I’ll just grab my tin hat for swab the bully boy to rant at me and then tell me I’m on ignore

       :lmao:

      OK, diddums, why don't you get back into your safe space.

      Always trying to get a f**king rise aren't you?

      And on point, not all pundits "did it" at international level, which was the whole f**king point of the conversation, until you chipped in trying to stir the sh*t, yet again.

      F***ing Heimdall's sock puppet strikes again.
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      Reply #2489: Jun 24, 2021 01:54:29 pm
      :lmao:

      OK, diddums, why don't you get back into your safe space.

      Always trying to get a f**king rise aren't you?

      And on point, not all pundits "did it" at international level, which was the whole f**king point of the conversation, until you chipped in trying to stir the sh*t, yet again.

      F***ing Heimdall's sock puppet strikes again.

      Don't worry mate, its OK buddy, this comes to us all in later life

      Take your meds and have your nap
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      Reply #2490: Jun 24, 2021 02:01:03 pm
      Don't worry mate, its OK buddy, this comes to us all in later life

      Take your meds and have your nap

      See, you've given youraelf away Heimdall.

      I've barely interacted with your wanksock, I haven't said I'd put "it" on ignore, and I haven't told the wanksock any personal details.

      So, you've just fu**ed yourself.

      And on that note, time to put the wanksock on ignore.
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      Reply #2491: Jun 24, 2021 02:15:44 pm
      And I say all

      It’s such a lazy argument to say ex pros weren’t good when in fact any player at whatever level who has made it pro is actually in the top 1% and is actually an unbelievable footballer to have made it

      Your entitled to say all if that's what you think just like your argument lazy to say they all was without any facts to back your statement up. Here's my facts, prove me wrong!!!

      Sh*t pundits as follow.

      Darren Fletcher below average
      Gary McAllister above average
      Owen Harreaves below average
      Jermaine Jenas average player.
      Peter Crouch above average.
      Chris Sutton above average.
      Robbie Savage average.
      Andy Hinchcliffe below average.
      Paul Scholes great player.
      Patric Evra good player.
      Gareth Crooks average player.
      Dion Dublin below average.
      John Barnes great player.
      Steve McManaman good player.

      That's just a few names that are sh*t pundits that all made it as footballers ( of sorts )

      So what's your lazy argument?
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      Reply #2492: Jun 24, 2021 03:58:09 pm
      :lmao:

      OK, diddums, why don't you get back into your safe space.

      Always trying to get a f**king rise aren't you?

      And on point, not all pundits "did it" at international level, which was the whole f**king point of the conversation, until you chipped in trying to stir the sh*t, yet again.

      F***ing Heimdall's sock puppet strikes again.

      Don't worry mate, its OK buddy, this comes to us all in later life

      Take your meds and have your nap

      See, you've given youraelf away Heimdall.

      I've barely interacted with your wanksock, I haven't said I'd put "it" on ignore, and I haven't told the wanksock any personal details.

      So, you've just fu**ed yourself.

      And on that note, time to put the wanksock on ignore.
      Come on 19 times.  ;D It's not the first time you've been accused of being Heimy  :lmao: The dna in your post.  :lmao:
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      Reply #2493: Jun 24, 2021 04:55:08 pm
      See, you've given youraelf away Heimdall.

      I've barely interacted with your wanksock, I haven't said I'd put "it" on ignore, and I haven't told the wanksock any personal details.

      So, you've just fu**ed yourself.

      And on that note, time to put the wanksock on ignore.

      I haven't any idea what you're on about there lad

      But nah I'm not him, not the first or last time you get things wrong but resort to trying to shout the loudest

      You're just like any old weirdo in the boozer mate who thinks he knows everything but actually knows fuckall but just insists on shouting the loudest until someone puts them in their place
      Then moves onto the next pub amd rince and repeat

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      Reply #2494: Jun 24, 2021 05:07:20 pm
      Come on 19 times.  ;D It's not the first time you've been accused of being Heimy  :lmao: The dna in your post.  :lmao:

      Course it is.

      Same M.O.
      Same targeting the same people.
      Same puerile attempts at sh*t-stirring.
      Same everything.

      It's been obvious since the day Heimdall disappeared, and this sockpuppet registered.

      Anyway, I put the gobs***e on ignore.

      Life's too short to give attention to tw*ts.
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      Reply #2495: Jun 24, 2021 06:37:37 pm
      I don't think nationality has anything to do with it.

      What I find frustrating is the inability of ex-professionals to draw upon their own experiences in providing insight into the game. Some of them speak as though they are just a spectator like anyone else with nothing of particular value to add.

      Don't tell us things we already know or can find in any boozer up and down the country. Tell us what from your experiences the considerations being made might be,  tell us what tactics could be advantageous under the circumstances based on similar situations you've faced, give a sense of what it is actually like to be part of a team trying get out of a situation. So many of them just repeat platitudes and either lack the imagination or the effort to integrate their own experiences into their analysis of the game.

      I suppose that's why they end up as pundits.
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      Reply #2496: Jun 24, 2021 10:10:20 pm
      What I find frustrating is the inability of ex-professionals to draw upon their own experiences in providing insight into the game. Some of them speak as though they are just a spectator like anyone else with nothing of particular value to add.

      This is a good point. They don't give you any more insight than what a fellow fan would come out with.

      They are supposed to be professionals and listening to them should be a learning experience, not just fan chat.
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      Reply #2497: Jun 24, 2021 11:21:53 pm
      I don't think nationality has anything to do with it.

      What I find frustrating is the inability of ex-professionals to draw upon their own experiences in providing insight into the game. Some of them speak as though they are just a spectator like anyone else with nothing of particular value to add.

      Don't tell us things we already know or can find in any boozer up and down the country. Tell us what from your experiences the considerations being made might be,  tell us what tactics could be advantageous under the circumstances based on similar situations you've faced, give a sense of what it is actually like to be part of a team trying get out of a situation. So many of them just repeat platitudes and either lack the imagination or the effort to integrate their own experiences into their analysis of the game.

      I suppose that's why they end up as pundits.

      It's striking when you see the quality of analysis in other sports including a lot of ex players. Football seems to think if you have won a few trophies or are a 'big name's, that is enough
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      Reply #2498: Jun 25, 2021 12:24:03 am
      It's striking when you see the quality of analysis in other sports including a lot of ex players. Football seems to think if you have won a few trophies or are a 'big name's, that is enough

      A great example is the NFL show on the BBC.

      Great chemistry with Mark Chapman, who had left now, and Osi and Jason. But as well as having fun they give great insight into the game.
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      Reply #2499: Jun 25, 2021 10:00:03 pm
      I don't think nationality has anything to do with it.

      What I find frustrating is the inability of ex-professionals to draw upon their own experiences in providing insight into the game. Some of them speak as though they are just a spectator like anyone else with nothing of particular value to add.

      Don't tell us things we already know or can find in any boozer up and down the country. Tell us what from your experiences the considerations being made might be,  tell us what tactics could be advantageous under the circumstances based on similar situations you've faced, give a sense of what it is actually like to be part of a team trying get out of a situation. So many of them just repeat platitudes and either lack the imagination or the effort to integrate their own experiences into their analysis of the game.

      I suppose that's why they end up as pundits.

      I think most of the top ex pros are a bit dense to be honest.
      It seems the more intelligent intellectual ex players have other fish to fry .

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