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      Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)

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      Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)
      Reply #5340: Apr 07, 2014 11:54:10 pm
      Is Luis Suarez a c**t in those books as well? Nobody's perfect


      Not sure of your point but yes to a lesser extent Suarez is a c**t. Probably not the right place for the discussion but:

      Suarez has more mitigating factors as we'll never know if he was telling the truth about what Brendan said to him. Still the way he handled the media last season made me lose a massive amount of respect I had built up for him. I still rate him as one of the best footballers to ever pull on our shirt but I don't cheer him on personally when he scores the goals now I simply take pleasure in our winning because my faith in the man is under question and I wont allow myself to be lured in like before.

      The way he tries to cheat doesn't make him a c**t in my eyes, many players do it, it was the manner in which Carroll, completely against character, actually put in a massive amount of effort when judged against other performances tried to do his best to stop us. As I said, if he had done this by fair means, then no problem and respect but by trying to cheat then, well we don't need to go over ground already covered.

      So yes, Luis is a c**t, he's our c**t at the moment though and should he remain with us after this Summer he will go someway to restoring my belief and love for the bloke but for now I'll just enjoy his genius rather than praise him personally.
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      Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)
      Reply #5341: Apr 08, 2014 12:10:55 am
      Not sure of your point but yes to a lesser extent Suarez is a c**t. Probably not the right place for the discussion but:

      Suarez has more mitigating factors as we'll never know if he was telling the truth about what Brendan said to him. Still the way he handled the media last season made me lose a massive amount of respect I had built up for him. I still rate him as one of the best footballers to ever pull on our shirt but I don't cheer him on personally when he scores the goals now I simply take pleasure in our winning because my faith in the man is under question and I wont allow myself to be lured in like before.

      The way he tries to cheat doesn't make him a c**t in my eyes, many players do it, it was the manner in which Carroll, completely against character, actually put in a massive amount of effort when judged against other performances tried to do his best to stop us. As I said, if he had done this by fair means, then no problem and respect but by trying to cheat then, well we don't need to go over ground already covered.

      So yes, Luis is a c**t, he's our c**t at the moment though and should he remain with us after this Summer he will go someway to restoring my belief and love for the bloke but for now I'll just enjoy his genius rather than praise him personally.

      OK I take your points, and to be fair I think I'm on a similar line with you on Suarez.
      I just feel that some of the attacks on Carroll are uncalled for and not in the spirit of the club. Is Jonjo Shelvey a "c**t" for scoring twice against us this season and playing his heart out in both games? Were the Kop "cu*ts" for applauding his goal at Anfield?
      Carroll owes us nothing. West Ham pay his wages and he should have on Sunday done everything in his power to win that game for his club. Of course he tried to "do his best to stop us" what are you expecting?

      I take your points about him probably not applying himself properly in his time at LFC. But to be fair to him he didn't want to move from Newcastle, Mike Ca$hley booted his arse out of the club he loved.
      When BR made it clear he wasn't in his plans he accepted his decision with good grace and went to a newly promoted side on loan (what a come down) even further away from his home without a complaint, and he hasn't criticised BR in any real way I'm aware of since.

      Absolutely no need to have a go the way some of you guys have. He's been respectful to the club and fans, give some back ffs and stop embarrassing yourselves
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      Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)
      Reply #5342: Apr 08, 2014 12:22:28 am
      I just feel that attacks on Carroll to be uncalled for and not in the spirit of the club. Is Jonjo Shelvey a cubit for scoring twice against us this season and playing his heart out in both games? Were the Kop 'cu*ts' for applauding his goal at Anfield?

      No mate, not at all because that is in the spirit of the game, as you can see above I said I would have respected Andy had he just tried his best without trying to cheat the whole game.

      For instance there was one incident where he had a word with the ref, then stood in front of Skrtel and as soon as the corner came in he fell down like a wilting flower, it was embarrassing, disrespectful and that is the kind of thing that sets him apart and ranks him as low in my estimation as he is.



      Absolutely no need to have a go the way some of you guys have. He's been respectful of the club and fans, give some back ffs and stop embarrassing yourselves

      This is where we clearly disagree most Alfie because I think he's shown no respect to our club, in fact he's been highly disrespectful and insulting in his behaviour towards us and therefore merits the reaction. Clearly I'm not alone either and while you clearly disagree with those above who felt it timely to vent their anger towards Andy I don't and think it was fair.

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      Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)
      Reply #5343: Apr 08, 2014 12:30:48 am
      Fair play Luke we'll agree to disagree.
      Where we fundamentally disagree I think is for me Andy Carroll doesn't need to respect us on the pitch. He flew himself around like a sack of spuds for us and he's still doing it. I'd think worse of him if he sniped about us in the press but was sweetness and light on the field of play.
      Would have been so easy for Andy to have a go at the club over the part year or so but he hasn't. Fair play to you Andy - get a f***in hair cut though big yin
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      Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)
      Reply #5344: Apr 08, 2014 12:34:00 am
      Fair play Luke we'll agree to disagree.
      Where we fundamentally disagree I think is for me Andy Carroll doesn't need to respect us on the pitch. He flew himself around like a sack of spuds for us and he's still doing it. I'd think worse of him if he sniped about us in the press but was sweetness and light on the field of play.
      Would have been so easy for Andy to have a go at the club over the part year or so but he hasn't. Fair play to you Andy - get a f***in hair cut though big yin

      Yep I agree that's where we disagree Alfie and for my part on it I think it's much easier to hide your true nature in words than it is in your actions.

      As you say though fella, agree to disagree on this one.
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      Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)
      Reply #5345: Apr 08, 2014 01:45:25 am
      Is Luis Suarez a c**t in those books as well because he has committed pretty much every indiscretion on that list?
      Nobody's perfect. You're the f***in disgrace


      You're out of line. Cut the crap and stop trying to instigate trouble. Andy blatantly tried to cheat us out of a goal (and accomplished it). Only reason he came out and said anything on Twitter is because he knew he was in the wrong. If that goal had cost us the title would you be so forgiving?
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      Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)
      Reply #5346: Apr 08, 2014 02:07:28 am
      You're out of line. Cut the crap and stop trying to instigate trouble. Andy blatantly tried to cheat us out of a goal (and accomplished it). Only reason he came out and said anything on Twitter is because he knew he was in the wrong. If that goal had cost us the title would you be so forgiving?

      Nobody's instigating trouble. We had a decent debate and ended it on good terms.
      I'm entitled to object to an ex-player having his character trashed when I feel it's unjustified. OK I might gave been a little over stated but that was in response to some pretty harsh indictments on the man.
      It's not a case of me forgiving him, but he plays for West Ham now he owes us nothing. I don't think he necessarily thinks "I know what I'll clatter Mignolet because he used to play for Sunderland and knock him out cold" he's just clumsy as f**k. To call the guy a c**t and every other name under the sun now the dust has settled, when he's went out of his way to say the right things about LFC is "out of line."
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      Reply #5347: Apr 08, 2014 02:26:37 am
      Nobody's instigating trouble. We had a decent debate and ended it on good terms.
      I'm entitled to object to an ex-player having his character trashed when I feel it's unjustified. OK I might gave been a little over stated but that was in response to some pretty harsh indictments on the man.
      It's not a case of me forgiving him, but he plays for West Ham now he owes us nothing. I don't think he necessarily thinks "I know what I'll clatter Mignolet because he used to play for Sunderland and knock him out cold" he's just clumsy as f**k. To call the guy a c**t and every other name under the sun now the dust has settled, when he's went out of his way to say the right things about LFC is "out of line."

      Instead of trying to cozy up to LFC with his tweet, he should have come out and apologized for what he did and owned up to the deliberate act. I stuck up for him plenty when he was at LFC, you can check his player thread and see. Whether he did it on purpose because he was playing LFC or he didn't, he still did it on purpose and then celebrated the goal. That's a dick move and he deserves any criticism leveled at him. Why you care if he's getting lambasted I can't quite understand?
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      Reply #5348: Apr 08, 2014 02:29:12 am
      Instead of trying to cozy up to LFC with his tweet, he should have come out and apologized for what he did and owned up to the deliberate act. I stuck up for him plenty when he was at LFC, you can check his player thread and see. Whether he did it on purpose because he was playing LFC or he didn't, he still did it on purpose and then celebrated the goal. That's a dick move and he deserves any criticism leveled at him. Why you care if he's getting lambasted I can't quite understand?

      Why do you care that I care  8)
      I'm not normally one for the moral high ground but I just took objection to it. Call me crazy
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      Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)
      Reply #5349: Apr 08, 2014 02:32:04 am
      Because it pains me to see purported Liverpool fans defend a non-LFC player when he tried to cheat our boys.

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      I'm not normally one for the moral high ground but I just took objection to it. Call me crazy

      Don't think there's any morality debate to worry about. Carroll cheated, luckily didn't influence the match, people called him on it, he tried to soften it using twitter, people see through his bull...end of story.

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      Reply #5350: Apr 08, 2014 02:43:42 am
      Because it pains me to see purported Liverpool fans defend a non-LFC player when he tried to cheat our boys.

      Don't think there's any morality debate to worry about. Carroll cheated, luckily didn't influence the match, people called him on it, he tried to soften it using twitter, people see through his bull...end of story.

      I disagree
      The guy hasn't said a single bad word about Liverpool since leaving nearly 2 years ago. That's counts for something in my eyes. He deserves better than to have his character ripped to shreds because of one incident. Hes not a liverpool player anymore owes us nothing. What he did on Sunday was no different to what he was doing for us for 18 months.
      And it's a double standard to say talk is cheap etc, because if he said anything negative about LFC this thread would be alive with people castigating him for being disrespectful. But we're not allowed to give him some credit for being respectful? He didn't want to cheat us anymore than Suarez wanted to cheat the ref when he screamed for pens and red cards. Both just wanted their team to win. Wasn't Andy Carroll's choice his team wasn't Liverpool remember

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      Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)
      Reply #5351: Apr 08, 2014 02:59:51 am
      This is my last contribution to this

      Don't know if you have had a chance to look back at the Flanno pen incident? In my opinion it's a 50/50, can see why it's given, but if given against you you're mad.

      The ref cannot see the incident as Diame is obstructing his view. He should not give a pen as hence he can only be guessing.

      At the moment of contact, ref makes no movement to indicate pen award (perhaps he's waiting to see if Danny scores.) At this exact moment Suarez turns to the ref, and strongly gesticulates he thinks it's a pen. Did this convince the ref? Did Suarez 'buy' that pen? Is that cheating?

      I don't know if it's cheating, I don't particularly mind it but it's unsportsmanlike and many will say cheating because it's an attempt to win an unfair advantage.
      That's what Carroll did, he won an unfair advantage, and to many people he cheated.
      Is there a great degree of difference between the 2?
      If not the mock outrage at Carroll and lack of any comment on the antics of Luis is hypocrisy...debate
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      Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)
      Reply #5352: Apr 08, 2014 04:44:16 am
      Could of picked a few, but being a member of the forums staff would expect better

      I post my opinions, being a member of the staff on here doesn't change that.

      And if you think I post something out of line, just report the post or PM one of the Admin (JD or Redkenny).
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      Reply #5353: Apr 08, 2014 07:32:50 am
      I post my opinions, being a member of the staff on here doesn't change that.

      And if you think I post something out of line, just report the post or PM one of the Admin (JD or Redkenny).

      Amen to that. Even when I was a mod, it'd do my head in when people think as a mod you're meant to just be polite.

      It's a footy forum after all, f**k anyone who disagrees with me! :f_tongueincheek:

      Think he is a c**t at heart, Andy, but not bothered about him. He's off the rails and in a lifestyle/job that he doesn't deserve to be given his attitude.
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      Reply #5354: Apr 08, 2014 07:50:57 am
      He did score the winner at Wembley against the Blues

       :D

      To be honest I didn't really get wound up by him the other day, he wasn't really good enough to stay here, he felt he had a point to prove and that's the type of player he is..
      We won the game.. Another 3 points for the champions elect
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      Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)
      Reply #5355: Apr 08, 2014 08:46:27 am
      This is my last contribution to this

      Don't know if you have had a chance to look back at the Flanno pen incident? In my opinion it's a 50/50, can see why it's given, but if given against you you're mad.

      The ref cannot see the incident as Diame is obstructing his view. He should not give a pen as hence he can only be guessing.

      This season we've had some luck with official's decisions, in previous seasons we have been consistently mugged and lost games in the same situation. The incident you speak of was not a split decision as you imply, that may have been the case if discussing ball contact but the fact is the 'keeper actually had a full grip of Flanagan's ankle, preventing him from continuing play, the ball was still available and at his feet, that describes a penalty moreso in the penalty area.

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      At the moment of contact, ref makes no movement to indicate pen award (perhaps he's waiting to see if Danny scores.) At this exact moment Suarez turns to the ref, and strongly gesticulates he thinks it's a pen. Did this convince the ref? Did Suarez 'buy' that pen? Is that cheating?

      Suarez was claiming only the result of what transpired ie the player was brought down unfairly. How is that cheating?

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      I don't know if it's cheating, I don't particularly mind it but it's unsportsmanlike and many will say cheating because it's an attempt to win an unfair advantage.
      That's what Carroll did, he won an unfair advantage, and to many people he cheated.
      Is there a great degree of difference between the 2?
      If not the mock outrage at Carroll and lack of any comment on the antics of Luis is hypocrisy...debate

      Such contact with a goalkeeper is a penalty all day and if the ref had a clear view it would have been given, to make a comparison with Suarez claiming for a legitimate call is not acceptable, Luis has been demonised in the past for simply claiming legitimate fouls missed by the ref, as we know he is a target for the less skilled who have no answer to his brilliance; consequently their only answer is foul him.
      Manager's of the less skilled players try to gain an advantage by bad mouthing Luis; any which way to block competition.

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      Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)
      Reply #5356: Apr 08, 2014 11:17:35 am
      He did score the winner at Wembley against the Blues

      And that header for England!

      ;)

      Amen to that. Even when I was a mod, it'd do my head in when people think as a mod you're meant to just be polite.

      I would never have agreed to help out on the forum if it meant I had to only post in a certain manner.

      In retrospect, I probably shouldn't have used the word "c**t", but didn't want to waste too much time posting on an ex-player I don't hold in high regard.

      If it helps, "c**t" was meant in the unprofessional, match-selecting way. ;)
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      Reply #5357: Apr 08, 2014 11:35:31 am
      I don't know if it's cheating, I don't particularly mind it but it's unsportsmanlike and many will say cheating because it's an attempt to win an unfair advantage.
      That's what Carroll did, he won an unfair advantage, and to many people he cheated.
      Is there a great degree of difference between the 2?
      If not the mock outrage at Carroll and lack of any comment on the antics of Luis is hypocrisy...debate
      The last player I remembered asking a ref not to book the keeper for bringing him down was a Liverpool player. These are the values which we embrace and which the club is founded on. Win games fair and square. Carroll's act is what we condemn. Nowhere near the ball and resorts to using his hands. Glad we got rid of him.
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      Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)
      Reply #5358: Apr 08, 2014 11:50:22 am

      If it helps, "c**t" was meant in the unprofessional, match-selecting way. ;)


      Quite understandable and a c**t is certainly on a sticky wicket with regard to selection. Some would say of course a sticky c**t is an entirely different proposition when one is presented with the option.   ;) ;D

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      Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)
      Reply #5359: Apr 08, 2014 12:29:00 pm
      Well I never liked Carroll when he was with us and I like him even less now, one of the worst strikers to ever pull on our jersey, lousy attitude and virtually zero skill as a footballer.
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      Reply #5360: Apr 08, 2014 01:38:30 pm

      England?

      I genuinely have zero recollection if this

       ;D
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      Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)
      Reply #5361: Apr 08, 2014 03:09:28 pm
      I always liked Andy when he was here. Admittedly he was never a £35million pound player, and wasn't a suitable partner for Suarez, but if he had partnered Sturridge instead I think it would have worked better.... obviously not in the same league as the SAS partnership.

      I don't see what he has done that was so wrong? He fouled Mignolet... that's what forwards do. For me it is the ref that got it badly wrong not Andy. Skrtel grabs players in the box, throws people to the floor etc etc .... is he a c**t?

      It is not Andy's fault we paid £35million for him, it is not Andy's fault that we only got £17million for him. He is doing the best he can for West Ham and has probably found his level there with Fat Sam.

      C**t of a manager... but Andy is not a c**t of a player.... although if his header had gone in rather than hitting the bar, I may have changed my mind :)   



         
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      Reply #5362: Apr 08, 2014 03:27:22 pm
      Think some of the comments on here have been harsh. 

      Have to agree with this.
      While stubborn, donkeys tend to be hard working.
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      Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)
      Reply #5363: Apr 08, 2014 05:30:32 pm
      I read Jamie Carragher's article on the Mail recently, he basically said Andy came to the club with the expectation that he could train, do the match and then have his lads night out on the Saturday.

      Carragher said in his article that they didn't do that nights out at Liverpool, and a greater level of dedication was expected.
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      Reply #5364: Apr 08, 2014 07:22:38 pm
      It really doesn't matter what he done whilst he was with us, he tried all the dirty tricks he could to put a dent in our title hopes, f**k the gypo C**t.
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      Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)
      Reply #5365: Apr 08, 2014 07:31:07 pm
      It really doesn't matter what he done whilst he was with us, he tried all the dirty tricks he could to put a dent in our title hopes, f**k the gypo C**t.

      Didn't know he was gypo Ian.
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      Reply #5366: Apr 09, 2014 03:55:37 pm
      It really doesn't matter what he done whilst he was with us, he tried all the dirty tricks he could to put a dent in our title hopes, f**k the gypo C**t.
      despite me hating the language. .. I agree. West Ham are already safe.  He is bitter.
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      Reply #5367: Apr 09, 2014 04:16:28 pm
      I disliked him as a player and differently to some here, I don't think the work rate and effort was there for most of the time. Yes, near the end of his career with us he showed great desire but it was too little, too late. I hated his body language and still do. Cockiness with little talent only makes him look like a deluded tw*t that will only be a mid-table player for the rest of his career. I'm glad he's gone.
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      Reply #5368: Apr 09, 2014 04:50:56 pm
      Only real winners out of all this were Newcastle.
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      Reply #5369: Apr 09, 2014 07:14:50 pm

      Just looks Stu, in the game of 'if he wasn't a footy player he'd be.......' knocking on your door asking if your bush needs trimming.

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