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      Jordan Henderson (Liverpool -> Al-Ettifaq (5 months) -> Ajax)

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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #5773: Sep 17, 2018 08:02:14 am
      Just to be clear, after reading the data Henderson came out the worst.
      Lallana was best at 1 goal per 5 minutes. Henderson 1 goal per 80 etc..
      If anybody wants to point out any errors I will be happy to correct it.

      wonder how is Modrić statistics in that field and he is up there with 3 candidates for the best player and has big chance to win it.

      .... not everything is black and white and can be put in numbers. Just saying  :P
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #5774: Sep 17, 2018 08:38:33 am
      Can't wait to see Hendo holding that Premier League trophy aloft come the end of season.
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #5775: Sep 17, 2018 02:24:49 pm
      I cannot be bothered to apply algorithms, I also had to average on the injury time minutes.

      Player   Minutes   Conceeded   Scored   Difference   Minutes per goal
      Alisson   465   2   11   9   51.66666667
      Van Dijk   465   2   11   9   51.66666667
      Gomez   465   2   11   9   51.66666667
      Robertson   465   2   11   9   51.66666667
      Matip     5   1   0   -1   -5
      TAA           458   1   11   10   45.8
      Gini           465   2   11   9   51.66666667
      Milner   437   2   10   8   54.625
      Keita    354   1   10   9   39.33333333
      Hendo   160   1   3   2   80
      Lallana   5   0   1   1   5
      Firmino   420   1   10   9   46.66666667
      Mane    440   2   10   8   55
      Salah    435   1   10   9   48.33333333
      Sturridge   24   0   1   1   24
      Shaqiri   32   0   1   1   32

      Still don't rate him.

       :couch:

      Edit: I reread the data and Henderson is 80 minutes per goal and Kieta 39 minutes per goal etc..
      So actually Henderson feared worse not better.
      Of course, Matip stat is fudgy because dividing by a negative number gets messy.


      Tempted to ban you for not rounding up to 2 decimal places.
      This is a mess of a chart.
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #5776: Sep 17, 2018 04:42:20 pm
      Tempted to ban you for not rounding up to 2 decimal places.
      This is a mess of a chart.
      Sadly LFCReds doesn't support HTML formatting for tables. It's not a chart either.
      Here is the chart



      The smaller the light blue bar the better. For Matip it won't work right yet since he is on a negative.
      « Last Edit: Sep 17, 2018 05:01:47 pm by Ribapuru »
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #5777: Sep 17, 2018 09:13:00 pm
      Sadly LFCReds doesn't support HTML formatting for tables. It's not a chart either.
      Here is the chart



      The smaller the light blue bar the better. For Matip it won't work right yet since he is on a negative.

      So why didn't you just post that instead instead of assaulting my eyes.

      The subs are clearly outliers in terms of the charts anyway,
      and all it really demonstrates is that Hendo has been brought on to shut out games when we're already ahead.
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #5778: Sep 18, 2018 10:04:56 am
      According to Opta during his Liverpool career he had made just one mistake leading to a goal. Jordan provides solidarity and discipline in midfield.
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #5779: Sep 18, 2018 10:33:12 am
      According to Opta during his Liverpool career he had made just one mistake leading to a goal. Jordan provides solidarity and discipline in midfield.
      I've seen him make way more than one blunder leading to a goal. It depends on what Opta classes as a mistake from him or not. The Allison blunder started with Henderson's sloppy backpasses, but that won't go down on statistics... Technically they were completed passes dispite how awful they were. Posts like these are what cause people like me to be over critical. Overpraising Henderson is almost like asking for me to say something. Think of it like Ohm's law.
      « Last Edit: Sep 18, 2018 10:38:53 am by Ribapuru »
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #5780: Sep 18, 2018 10:40:29 am
      I've seen him make way more than one blunder leading to a goal. It depends on what Opta classes as a mistake from him or not. The Allison blunder started with Henderson's sloppy backpasses, but that won't go down on statistics... Technically they were completed passes dispite how awful they were. Posts like these are what cause people like me to be over critical. Overpraising Henderson is almost like asking for me to say something.

      Ribs - breathe and consider the alternative.

      That is that you desperately grab onto false / incomplete / manufactured data to prove any / all your points about everything........

      Youā€™re dismissing the most used / respected stats source in the game.

      There are loads posters who have differing view of Hendo than me - KopiteLuke was one. We still managed to have a reasoned balanced discussion.

      What grinds peopleā€™s gears is the preposterous constructs you use to support whatever your opinion of the moment is (remember Robbo - ā€œbottom of barrel left backā€ or JĆ¼rgen - ā€œneeds to go if he doesnā€™t sort keepers / CB by Xmas ā€˜17ā€)

      In short.......itā€™s not everyone else sunshine. It is you.
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #5781: Sep 18, 2018 10:47:30 am
      Ribs - breathe and consider the alternative.

      That is that you desperately grab onto false / incomplete / manufactured data to prove any / all your points about everything........

      Youā€™re dismissing the most used / respected stats source in the game.

      There are loads posters who have differing view of Hendo than me - KopiteLuke was one. We still managed to have a reasoned balanced discussion.

      What grinds peopleā€™s gears is the preposterous constructs you use to support whatever your opinion of the moment is.

      In short.......itā€™s not everyone else sunshine. It is you.
      KopiteLuke didn't just look at stats, he looked how the stats were generated. He pointed out quite correctly, that whilst Henderson's pass accuracy was high, there were a lot of unnecessary passes and better options. Henderson didn't get the short, sideways pass reputation unfairly. It's like somebody who camps on Fortnite the entire game then gets the last kill, compared to somebody who kills 8 players to win. A stat shows a win is a win, doesn't show the difficulty.

      The important stats are the ones that show the effect he has on the team.
      « Last Edit: Sep 18, 2018 10:54:53 am by Ribapuru »
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #5782: Sep 18, 2018 11:55:55 am
      KopiteLuke didn't just look at stats, he looked how the stats were generated. He pointed out quite correctly, that whilst Henderson's pass accuracy was high, there were a lot of unnecessary passes and better options. Henderson didn't get the short, sideways pass reputation unfairly. It's like somebody who camps on Fortnite the entire game then gets the last kill, compared to somebody who kills 8 players to win. A stat shows a win is a win, doesn't show the difficulty.

      The important stats are the ones that show the effect he has on the team.

      100% agree.

      Like beating City 3 times and getting to a Champions League final last season.
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #5783: Sep 18, 2018 01:04:09 pm
      Looks up for it tonight in the pre match presser.

      I expect him to start tonight ahead of Milner, (not due to any poor form, mind). Doesn't get the same love that the other players get, but he doesn't need it.

      Look forward to him bossing the midfield tonight with the roar of the Kop behind him.
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #5784: Sep 18, 2018 01:53:57 pm
      I have not been to a CL match in ages actually.
      I would need a CL match to be on a Saturday in UK to go, impossible.
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #5785: Sep 18, 2018 02:03:29 pm
      What grinds peopleā€™s gears is the preposterous constructs you use to support whatever your opinion of the moment is (remember Robbo - ā€œbottom of barrel left backā€ or JĆ¼rgen - ā€œneeds to go if he doesnā€™t sort keepers / CB by Xmas ā€˜17ā€)
      On Robbo, I admit to that comment, but I also admitted multiple times I was wrong.
      You are sounding like Lala is Bananas now.

      On the point about Klopp and the goalkeeper, I never said Xmas 17.
      I said if we go into the 2018/2019 season with Mignolet!
      I stand by that comment, we changed goalkeeper and look how well we are doing.
      Do you really think we would be in the same place with Mignolet and Karius? Don't kid youself, our defenders would have been nervous as heck making all sorts of errors.
      You are as bad as Swab on this point, twisting things to seem what they are not.

      My advise to you is, don't point things out to look like a broken record.. especially when they have been gone over more times than I have had hot dinners you have accused people of trolling for having a different opinion. Secondly, get your facts right because you gave me a lot of stick for getting things wrong, so accuracy of facts should be paramount otherwise it is hypocrisy. 2018/2019 season not xmas 2017.
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #5786: Sep 18, 2018 02:24:46 pm
      On Robbo, I admit to that comment, but I also admitted multiple times I was wrong.
      You are sounding like Lala is Bananas now.

      On the point about Klopp and the goalkeeper, I never said Xmas 17.
      I said if we go into the 2018/2019 season with Mignolet!
      I stand by that comment, we changed goalkeeper and look how well we are doing.
      Do you really think we would be in the same place with Mignolet and Karius? Don't kid youself, our defenders would have been nervous as heck making all sorts of errors.
      You are as bad as Swab on this point, twisting things to seem what they are not.

      My advise to you is, don't point things out to look like a broken record.. especially when they have been gone over more times than I have had hot dinners you have accused people of trolling for having a different opinion. Secondly, get your facts right because you gave me a lot of stick for getting things wrong, so accuracy of facts should be paramount otherwise it is hypocrisy. 2018/2019 season not xmas 2017.

      Wrong on Robbo

      Wrong on Klopp

      Zero self awareness

      Just wrong
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #5787: Sep 18, 2018 03:46:52 pm
      Going to be Boss tonight is Jordan..
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #5788: Sep 18, 2018 04:07:44 pm
      Going to be Boss tonight is Jordan..

      its hard to believe anyone would want him to have anything but a great game mate but it appears one in particular would love him to have a stinker just so he can say he told us so.
      I would feel very reassured to see Jordan in the middle of our midfield tonight
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #5789: Sep 18, 2018 05:45:57 pm
      Going to be Boss tonight is Jordan..

      First time for everything ;-)

      In all seriousness if he plays then I hope he has a very good game as we need everyone on their A game tonight.
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #5790: Sep 18, 2018 10:00:42 pm
      If you watched tonightā€™s game and still donā€™t understand why Klopp rates him so much and how important he is then you will never know

      He was the midfield General that Klopp talks about - outstanding
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #5791: Sep 18, 2018 10:07:14 pm
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #5792: Sep 18, 2018 10:08:04 pm
      Immense.
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #5793: Sep 18, 2018 10:12:28 pm
      Boss performance skipper.. never doubted you..
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #5794: Sep 18, 2018 10:18:46 pm
      Really pleased for the Lad he constantly pushed people around talking all the game made some great tackles and passes.
      Strangely enough apart from Mane and Salah we were immense
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #5795: Sep 18, 2018 10:46:11 pm
      Hendo will always be fine as long as he is not pressed just like Milner.

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