What are you on about? Of course we couldn't possibly know if Hendo would have made a difference or not despite the fact we know what he brings, but are you saying we can? Just like we won't know if a Gerrard peak or even Spearing would have made a difference had they played vs Arsenal for us.
Nothing Hypocritical at that at all, unless I am missing something?
You and a few others have spent the last few months insisting that Fabinho would be a better option than Henderson in pretty much every match, then you say no one can possibly know that Henderson would have been a better option against Arsenal, and you're trying to tell me that when you say it about Fabinho it's acceptable, but when people say it about Henderson it's plain wrong?
There's your hypocrisy right there mate.
Similar stats or not, they offer something different in the deeper role, but it seems Fabinho hasn't settled in our midfield 3 and is more suited to the double pivot.
As for long passes, if you have watched Fabinho at Monaco, you would know he wasn't about hollywood balls or switching play via long balls, he was more the defensive player in the double pivot and keeping the ball ticking.
Of course they offer different things, they're not clones.
Of course he's not settled, unlike your good self, and a few others, I've been making this point all along, and knew he wouldn't come straight in and look settled or be at his best.
Liverpool FC isn't Monaco, and this isn't the French league.
The football is quicker, more aggressive and more physical, so you're comparing apples and oranges.
Was he not disciplined after he got the yellow against Red Star and Arsenal, or am I mistaken and he carried on making silly fouls throughout? And even if you haven't seen his game at Monaco, you would know by watching us, he is far more comfortable in tight spaces which allows him to distribute the ball better. So yeah, Fabinho is a more composed player than Hendo for sure.
And just like you, I call it as I see it, Fabinho would offer a lot more than Hendo in the deeper role, but in a double pivot. However, in a midfield 3, it looks like he hasn't really settled into that role as the sole hub, but I have no doubt in time when he does, he will be the better option.
He certainly wasn't more disciplined, he continually went to ground, and could easily have had a second yellow against Arsenal.
he's not composed, so far, he's easily bullied off the ball, is slow off the mark, and against Huddersfielkd their (not that pacy) winger left him for dead.
And then there you go again, making a prediction that you "have no doubt", but apparently when you do it, it's OK, but when I say that Henderson would have been a better option against Arsenal, that's "just silly"?
And you profess not to understand the difference?
Behave yourself fella.
Whether you see Fabinho as a Can replacement, whether you see him as an upgrade or not, it doesn't matter because on paper, Fabinho is far more suited in a deeper role, and whilst Klopp sees Hendo as a #6, there is still a possibility Fabinho can replace Hendo, whether that happens in the next 2 months or 4 years, I don't know, but what I do know is, there is a lot of competition in the midfield now.
I don't "see him" as anything, Klopp does and has said so, so if you have an issue with that, instead of railing against what I posted, how about you take it up with the bloke who said it?
It's all very simple to ignore Klopp's words on an internet forum to try and big up a player who for some reason you seem to have become emotionally invested in, but the reality is that Klopp said it, not me.
Klopp has also stated (very clearly) that Fabinho can play 6, 8 or 2, just as Can did, and yet you ignore this in order to continue this weird "get Henderson out" vendetta.
It's all very strange.
Sorry, I missed this paragraph.
I see most of these attacks or personal agenda's more as criticism and opinions as I have seen the same people praise Hendo when he has had a good game.
And I have to ask, why does it puzzle you posters have a different opinion to Klopp? What i s the difference in us laughing at Mourinho or not rating certain players that experienced managers choose to play etc?
It's gone far beyond mere criticism, and into the realms of fantasy, where Henderson gets blamed for other peoples mistakes.
It's frankly ridiculous.
It's not about people having a different opinion, it's about people making definitive statements about how Klopp "gets it wrong" by playing a player he values greatly.
It's about you and others ignoring the words of the bloke who knows him best, ignoring what he brings to the team, and constantly scapegoating him in favour of what you thought you saw from a player in a couple of friendlies which meant F**k-all.
Further still, trying to big up pretty poor sides (like Red Star) just to push an agenda that Fabinho is superior is plain silly.
Every man and his dog saw how he got caught out against quality opposition, and while I have no doubt he'll improve, it doesn't change that fact.
You and the rest of the crew that constantly deride our Club Captain are going to have to get used to the idea that he's goinhg to be around for a good while yet, and you'd do much better trying to understand what Klopp see's in him than repeating the tired social media tropes about only passing backwards and sideways.
You'll find I'm absent from the "laugh at" whatever club threads.
My only post has been that Maureen is safety first, anti-football. It's something I've always said, and I stand by it.
I've said to you consistently that I won't make a judgement about Fabinho until he's had a full season, at least.
I've pointed out various things I've spotted that I think he needs to sort out.
I neither like nor dislike him, because quite frankly, I've seen hundreds of players come in and out of this club, but so far, I haven't seen a single thing that makes Fabinho special in any way, and a few half decent performances in pre-season against lower league and (mostly) inferior opposition was never going to change that.
So far, the lad has had some sub appearances, and starts against 2 poor teams and one good team.
It was only against the poor teams that he showed anything at all, and even then his lack of pace was exposed more than a few times, as was his recklessness which will undoubtedly bite him (and us) in the arse at some point.
But I suppose people will just say "it's because he's so passionate about winning" or something equally tiresome and cliche'd.
