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      Jordan Henderson Player Thread

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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #6600: Dec 13, 2018 03:42:12 pm
      You could draw the staring XI v Utd as a 4222, 4231, 433 & it would still have the same players lining up.
      Utd will sit deep, no doubt. Reckon Salah and Firmino will be up front. Take your pick from Mane, Keita, Shaqiri as deeper forwards. Wijnaldum & Henderson paired up with either Milner or Fabinho as RB.

      Interesting you should post that, as I've been noticing that sort of Brazilian system rather than the more rigid 4231, when Fabinho and Wijnaldum are paired in the centre.

      On Sunday, I'd be surprised if Henderson didn't start, but the main thing is that we have plenty of options in the team and the bench.
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      Reply #6601: Dec 13, 2018 03:49:58 pm
      Interesting you should post that, as I've been noticing that sort of Brazilian system rather than the more rigid 4231, when Fabinho and Wijnaldum are paired in the centre.

      On Sunday, I'd be surprised if Henderson didn't start, but the main thing is that we have plenty of options in the team and the bench.

      I posted it in the match thread but others chose to focus on the phallic nature of the line-up.

      LFC have tried that formation a few times down the years and it's arguably the system that most suits the players at the clubs disposal. Maybe better suited to Fabinho than Henderson so we'll see.
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      Reply #6602: Dec 13, 2018 03:56:47 pm
      The one thing that Man Utd appear to look to do these days is pack the middle with numbers

      They don’t appear to have any real width in the team - Utd used to be strong when they stretched the pitch with wingers

      That’s why after a bit of thinking I see Klopp going for a 4-3-3 with Mane and Salah wide and Bobby in the middle. The back four depending on injuries but it could be

      Milner - Lovren - VVD - Robbo

      It’s the midfield three that will be interesting

      Henderson I think plays so then it will need a lot of pace and intensity with him so that’s Gini and Keita

      So my team will be

      Alisson

      Milner
      Lovren
      VVD
      Robbo

      Kieta
      Henderson
      Gini

      Salah
      Bobby
      Mane
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      Reply #6603: Dec 13, 2018 04:13:15 pm
      I posted it in the match thread but others chose to focus on the phallic nature of the line-up.

      LFC have tried that formation a few times down the years and it's arguably the system that most suits the players at the clubs disposal. Maybe better suited to Fabinho than Henderson so we'll see.

      Fair points.

      Given the choice, and assuming that Fabinho and Keita settle and show their worth (which I think they will) my first choice line up, once they are fully integrated would be Henderson, Fabinho and Keita, with Keita being the furthest forward and the other 2 rotating the holding role.
      It's seen these days as a bit of an old fashioned system, in this age of specialists (to have one holding and one getting forwards) but I think that's a bit of a mistake.
      Trends and fads come and go in football, so I think we will move away from "specialists" and back to players who can do more than one job, and do them well.
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      Reply #6604: Dec 13, 2018 04:16:15 pm
      Fair points.

      Given the choice, and assuming that Fabinho and Keita settle and show their worth (which I think they will) my first choice line up, once they are fully integrated would be Henderson, Fabinho and Keita, with Keita being the furthest forward and the other 2 rotating the holding role.
      It's seen these days as a bit of an old fashioned system, in this age of specialists (to have one holding and one getting forwards) but I think that's a bit of a mistake.
      Trends and fads come and go in football, so I think we will move away from "specialists" and back to players who can do more than one job, and do them well.

      I think that is what Klopp sees as his best three as well - Henderson and Fabinho rotating in the “6 and 8” roles with Keita being the one to carry and burst forward
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      Reply #6605: Dec 13, 2018 04:22:06 pm
      Fair points.

      Given the choice, and assuming that Fabinho and Keita settle and show their worth (which I think they will) my first choice line up, once they are fully integrated would be Henderson, Fabinho and Keita, with Keita being the furthest forward and the other 2 rotating the holding role.
      It's seen these days as a bit of an old fashioned system, in this age of specialists (to have one holding and one getting forwards) but I think that's a bit of a mistake.
      Trends and fads come and go in football, so I think we will move away from "specialists" and back to players who can do more than one job, and do them well.


      I'm not sure a specialist would fit in with the changes in shape seen this season.
      There is a very solid base there in Henderson and Wijnaldum and obviously one of them will need to make way if Fabinho is to feature more heavily. Then allowing the likes of Keita and Shaqiri to shift between wide defensive positions and more central attacking mid options. That flexibility comes from the solid pairing behind them. To a casual observer that may look more like a 4231 or 433 but the flexibility comes from a 4222. It depends on whether the forward is dropping wide or the AM.
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      Reply #6606: Dec 13, 2018 04:25:26 pm
      4222 lacks width, that is why nobody uses it much, going out wide leaves space in the middle.
      442 used to be the norm, but a lot of teams went to 433 now, but 4231 is alright sometimes.
      41212 is okay for some teams, never been a fan of it though.
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      Reply #6607: Dec 13, 2018 04:28:35 pm
      4222 lacks width, that is why nobody uses it much, going out wide leaves space in the middle.
      442 used to be the norm, but a lot of teams went to 433 now, but 4231 is alright sometimes.
      41212 is okay for some teams, never been a fan of it though.

      I don't think either of us were saying that the team strictly plays the formation,
      and even then the Full Backs are providing the width in Klopp's team.
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      Reply #6608: Dec 13, 2018 06:11:27 pm
      I'm not sure a specialist would fit in with the changes in shape seen this season.
      There is a very solid base there in Henderson and Wijnaldum and obviously one of them will need to make way if Fabinho is to feature more heavily. Then allowing the likes of Keita and Shaqiri to shift between wide defensive positions and more central attacking mid options. That flexibility comes from the solid pairing behind them. To a casual observer that may look more like a 4231 or 433 but the flexibility comes from a 4222. It depends on whether the forward is dropping wide or the AM.

      This is what I mean about specialists gradually falling out of fashion.
      There will, of course, always be a place for specialists, but teams like Klopps will favour them less.

      I think as well that there is far too much emphasis placed on formations and systems, and although discussing a basic shape is interesting, it seems far too many are fixated on the initial lineup, which they seem to think will completely dictate how we play.
      Now there's no doubt in my mind that sometimes a shape dictates how we play, but it is sometimes fixated on to the detriment of understanding how we really play.
      For instance, you'll often see our midfield (in defensive mode) play on a diagonal line, rather than flat, to try and push the play down a path we want it to go, or see what looks like a small cluster of players (but is really a double defensive line).
      A lot of football at the highest level seems to me to be about forcing opponents to do things they don't want to do, rather than actually dictating the play in a more "traditional way".
      It's all very interesting, and I have a feeling Klopp has a surprise or 2 up his sleeves for the mancs, come sunday.
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #6609: Dec 15, 2018 01:34:55 pm
      Henderson's almost got 300 appearances for Liverpool. Amazing achievement. I've not always been his biggest fan, but it deserves a mention. Good on him.
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      Reply #6610: Dec 15, 2018 01:39:52 pm
      Henderson's almost got 300 appearances for Liverpool. Amazing achievement. I've not always been his biggest fan, but it deserves a mention. Good on him.

      What exactly is the point you are trying to prove ?
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      Reply #6611: Dec 15, 2018 01:48:32 pm
      What exactly is the point you are trying to prove ?

      Take your pick.
      He actually deleted his first post, then re-posted the same thing, just to move to the top of the post list to distract from DLS's thread.

      Bizarre behaviour.
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      Reply #6612: Dec 15, 2018 01:56:40 pm
      Take your pick.
      He actually deleted his first post, then re-posted the same thing, just to move to the top of the post list to distract from DLS's thread.

      Bizarre behaviour.
      i thought I posted in the wrong thread originally.
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      Reply #6613: Dec 15, 2018 01:56:52 pm
      What exactly is the point you are trying to prove ?
      no point.
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      Reply #6614: Dec 15, 2018 01:57:19 pm
      Take your pick.
      He actually deleted his first post, then re-posted the same thing, just to move to the top of the post list to distract from DLS's thread.

      Bizarre behaviour.

      Noticed he had deleted it and re-posted it, strange fella.
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      Reply #6615: Dec 15, 2018 02:05:35 pm
      Noticed he had deleted it and re-posted it, strange fella.
      i thought I posted in the incorrect thread initially.
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      Reply #6616: Dec 21, 2018 09:58:28 am
      could be Jordans 300th game tonight and just listening to big Jan praising him ...what does he know ?.
      Apparently Jan says what players do without the ball can be just as important as what they do with it but some fans only comment on what players do with the ball. He also said he is perfect for Jürgen's tactics what a plonker Jan is he needs to get on this forum and on this thread to be educated about a football players worth.
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      Reply #6617: Dec 21, 2018 10:17:20 am
      could be Jordans 300th game tonight and just listening to big Jan praising him ...what does he know ?.
      Apparently Jan says what players do without the ball can be just as important as what they do with it but some fans only comment on what players do with the ball. He also said he is perfect for Jürgen's tactics what a plonker Jan is he needs to get on this forum and on this thread to be educated about a football players worth.
      I think Jordinho will make a camio, but I think Fabinho will get the nod to start today.
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      Reply #6618: Dec 21, 2018 02:38:45 pm
      I would let him get his 300th game at home to Newcastle.  Fabinho to start
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      Reply #6619: Dec 21, 2018 07:37:02 pm
      I would let him get his 300th game at home to Newcastle.  Fabinho to start

      fortunately our manager picks the team on merit not on emotion
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      Reply #6620: Dec 21, 2018 10:34:52 pm
      Quality performance tonight much braver on the ball and much more positive
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      Reply #6621: Dec 21, 2018 10:36:23 pm
      Quality performance tonight much braver on the ball and much more positive

      It’s helped him by having Kieta & Fabinho on the field, it allows him much more freedom..
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      Reply #6622: Dec 21, 2018 10:40:02 pm
      Thought he was best of the 3 tonight over the 90 minutes.

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      Reply #6623: Dec 21, 2018 10:47:58 pm
      Did well, thought him and Fab worked hard and deserved to be on the winning side.
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #6624: Dec 21, 2018 10:47:58 pm
      Thought he was best of the 3 tonight over the 90 minutes.



      Second half I would say he was but first I would go for Fab. Not saying Hendo didn’t play well in the first half, because he did, just for me Fab edged that half.

      But none the less, they were both very good and I thought they worked really well together. Don’t think we’ve really seen the 2 of them together properly until now.
      This is why Hendo frustrates me, because he can put in a performance like this against a good opponent and in tough conditions but can be off the pace in the next game. He’s got the ability, it’s just getting the consistency out of him.

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