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      Jordan Henderson Player Thread

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      HScRed1
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      Reply #6840: Feb 26, 2019 12:31:45 pm
      Looks like some haven’t moved on since the 90’s when the Spanish sort of pioneered the original idea of a double pivot.

      Face it grandads football has moved on and the 2 players who primarily play in front of the back 4 are and can be called a double pivot.
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      Reply #6841: Feb 26, 2019 12:34:57 pm
      Looks like some haven’t moved on since the 90’s when the Spanish sort of pioneered the original idea of a double pivot.

      Face it grandads football has moved on and the 2 players who primarily play in front of the back 4 are and can be called a double pivot.

      Hahaha my kids do that......

      “Well that’s what we call it now so it must be right”.....

      Aye ok, now turn your music down and geez peace ;)
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      Reply #6842: Feb 26, 2019 12:39:12 pm
      Hahaha my kids do that......

      “Well that’s what we call it now so it must be right”.....

      Aye ok, now turn your music down and geez peace ;)

      F**k that, just take the fuse out of the plugs when they're out.
      Puzzles them no end.
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #6843: Feb 26, 2019 02:32:57 pm
      Looks like some haven’t moved on since the 90’s when the Spanish sort of pioneered the original idea of a double pivot.

      Face it grandads football has moved on and the 2 players who primarily play in front of the back 4 are and can be called a double pivot.

      Which is effectively what we said.
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      Reply #6844: Feb 27, 2019 11:22:29 am
      What have I denied? That we usually play with 2 CM/double 6/double pivot? I think it was you who denied this even when I showed you evidence and evidence from your friend, P.Neville good few pages back.

      Anyway, do you think Henderson can distribute like Fabinho if asked to? Both players have played in a 3 and 2 this season, and both distribute from deep differently because they have different levels of technical ability and are different types of players.

      The easiest thing to do is go into the official site and go to the squad page and do the comparison at the bottom.

      You'll get a pretty good idea of how they all compare in defence, attack and general areas of play.
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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #6845: Feb 28, 2019 02:48:49 pm



       :lmao: :lmao:

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      Reply #6846: Mar 01, 2019 11:30:07 pm
      Was thinking Hendo would start against Everton, after having not started vs. Watford. But Jürgen can be hard to predict.
      It's not like Hendo is playing poorly imho, we just have more options than we used to. Which is great.
      Plus Fab's shown he can play the DM and be positive when the chance comes, so shades the starting place for me all things being equal. But having had the midweek game, Hendo must be in with a better chance of a start than usual.
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      Reply #6847: Mar 03, 2019 09:13:41 pm
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      Reply #6848: Mar 03, 2019 09:36:04 pm
      Thought Henderson looked good today in parts, played two beautiful passes and tried to get forward on the right quite a bit.

      Not sure he was in his best position today though, I don't see how him and Fabinho can work in the same three but nevertheless he played well for me today.
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      Reply #6849: Mar 04, 2019 04:34:35 am

      Ouch that's not good is it, can't really defend that can you.

      I don't think he is good enough. I think he stifles our play massively.
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      Reply #6850: Mar 04, 2019 06:51:25 pm
      I like Hendo, and for the first time in ages I got the starting XI right before the Everton match - but after seeing Fab and him play together several times now, just don't think it works. Thought before the match the choice would be good in that it would give us more control in the middle, the two defensive minded lads would stifle Everton's passion, and they did to some extent, but playing together they also stifle us creatively.

      In saying that, think we had enough chances to win the match on Sunday gone, and that the *main* problem on THAT day [not he only one] was Mo/Mane/Origi/Firmino not linking properly, mis-controlling the ball, missing passes and squandering chances. The lads at the back did their job, the lads up front didn't.

      But Hendo and Fab are quite similar, and comparing the two, Fab gives us more imho. I roared the TV a few times when Hendo was played the ball, and instead of taking a touch and looking forward [when in space and with time!!!]  he just instinctively hit it backward first time without even a thought. It's just not enough where we are now, in games where teams are setting up to be solid and play on the break, and when we need to WIN, to have two defensive minded guys there. Think we need to be more positive, even it it means taking a risk. And even though I think Hendo is trying to be more positive, and he did hit a few good passes, it's not his natural game now [he's been playing another way too long].

      Would hope we don't see them start in the same side again [unless it's US setting up to defend]. We're in a ropey phase, and we probably need to take a risk and play guys whose instinct is more to attack. Need to break out of this run and really struggle to see how us lining up with Fab/Hendo again will help with that.

      Could be wrong obviously, and wouldn't care a damn, just want us to start winning again cause chances [still only one point off the lead] like these don't come along often..
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      Reply #6851: Mar 04, 2019 09:08:49 pm
      Henderson isn't good enough for us. People go on about loyalty, but nobody else in top 6 would pay anything substantial for him. He's loyal for the same reason Joe Allen would be if we still had him. Klopp might back him, but he also backed Mignolet for a long time and still backs Lovren and Lallana. There's people who are afraid of actually admitting they are fedup of Henderson because of the backlash, the stats don't surprise me but from watching games I didn't need stats to see how he stifles us. Regardless of position, Henderson is about as talented as Stuart Downing.
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      Reply #6852: Mar 04, 2019 09:25:36 pm
      Henderson isn't good enough for us. People go on about loyalty, but nobody else in top 6 would pay anything substantial for him. He's loyal for the same reason Joe Allen would be if we still had him. Klopp might back him, but he also backed Mignolet for a long time and still backs Lovren and Lallana. There's people who are afraid of actually admitting they are fedup of Henderson because of the backlash, the stats don't surprise me but from watching games I didn't need stats to see how he stifles us. Regardless of position, Henderson is about as talented as Stuart Downing.

      Are you still here?

      I saw in the match thread you were going all out to try and get a reaction.
      Now you pop up in here looking for one.

      So sad.
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      Reply #6853: Mar 04, 2019 09:40:26 pm
      Are you still here?

      I saw in the match thread you were going all out to try and get a reaction.
      Now you pop up in here looking for one.

      So sad.
      I want trophies and Henderson won't bring them. We won one since he's been at the club and he was injured when we won that. If he was fit we probably wouldn't have even won that one.
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      Reply #6854: Mar 05, 2019 12:59:53 pm
      It's difficult to disagree that the midfield three was a bit too negative. And whilst Henderson didn't play badly, it's his style going forward that frustrate me the most. He can pick a pass, and he did get a couple of very good ones, but it's always very predictable. You always know he's going for the wide man wherever possible, you know he'll cross if he has the space, you know he'll hardly ever try intricate short passing through the middle - where the real bonus is. So I'd rather have him as a DM at the moment, not because he's bad going forward, but because I think we have better options on that front. And I'm afraid he wouldn't make my best XI as Fabinho has been superb; well, at least not on a trio with Gini, perhaps with a different third midfielder.
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      Reply #6855: Mar 05, 2019 01:25:04 pm
      It's difficult to disagree that the midfield three was a bit too negative. And whilst Henderson didn't play badly, it's his style going forward that frustrate me the most. He can pick a pass, and he did get a couple of very good ones, but it's always very predictable. You always know he's going for the wide man wherever possible, you know he'll cross if he has the space, you know he'll hardly ever try intricate short passing through the middle - where the real bonus is. So I'd rather have him as a DM at the moment, not because he's bad going forward, but because I think we have better options on that front. And I'm afraid he wouldn't make my best XI as Fabinho has been superb; well, at least not on a trio with Gini, perhaps with a different third midfielder.

      I think the getting it wide and crossing are orders from Klopp though.
      In fact, I'm sure of it, so it seems a bit harsh to me to pick those points out.

      At the end of the day, it's all about options, and the more we have, the better.
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      Reply #6856: Mar 06, 2019 06:42:42 am
      It's difficult to disagree that the midfield three was a bit too negative. And whilst Henderson didn't play badly, it's his style going forward that frustrate me the most. He can pick a pass, and he did get a couple of very good ones, but it's always very predictable. You always know he's going for the wide man wherever possible, you know he'll cross if he has the space, you know he'll hardly ever try intricate short passing through the middle - where the real bonus is. So I'd rather have him as a DM at the moment, not because he's bad going forward, but because I think we have better options on that front. And I'm afraid he wouldn't make my best XI as Fabinho has been superb; well, at least not on a trio with Gini, perhaps with a different third midfielder.

      I think this is a good assessment. If Henderson and Fabinho play then someone like Keita or Shaqiri must also play to add an attacking edge.
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      Reply #6857: Mar 06, 2019 07:15:14 am
      I think this is a good assessment. If Henderson and Fabinho play then someone like Keita or Shaqiri must also play to add an attacking edge.
      A lot of fans would agree with that.
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      Reply #6858: Mar 14, 2019 12:36:44 am
      looked a bit of a worrying one that, he has a history of foot injuries doesnt he?
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      Reply #6859: Mar 14, 2019 11:58:01 pm
      looked a bit of a worrying one that, he has a history of foot injuries doesnt he?

      I think (not so sure about it) his major injury issue before was at his heel. This time look like at an ankle. Hopefully it's not serious one as we need him.
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      Reply #6860: Mar 15, 2019 12:01:50 am
      looked a bit of a worrying one that, he has a history of foot injuries doesnt he?

      Twisted ankle wasn't it ?
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      Reply #6861: Mar 22, 2019 07:36:49 pm
      Henderson suddenly fit for England  ???
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      Reply #6862: Mar 22, 2019 08:42:39 pm
      Henderson suddenly fit for England  ???

      He was never injured, he faked his injury because he didn't want us to lose vs Bayern or Fulham. Proper captain that! ;)

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      Reply #6863: Mar 22, 2019 09:29:18 pm
      9 days is not sudden..wtf is wrong with you people. He has actually been superb tonight which is great news for Liverpool
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      Reply #6864: Mar 22, 2019 09:29:56 pm
      Henderson suddenly fit for England  ???

       :lmao:
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      Reply #6865: Mar 22, 2019 10:12:43 pm
      9 days is not sudden..wtf is wrong with you people. He has actually been superb tonight which is great news for Liverpool

      Idiots mate.

      Hendo has had a fine season.
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      Reply #6866: Mar 22, 2019 10:21:00 pm
      While we're on the topic of England...

      Jadon Sancho - one hell of a player. What an amazing job Dortmund have done with him. If he has sense he'd stay in German football. Hard to think of an attacking lineup that was more exciting than what England have at the moment.
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      Reply #6867: Mar 22, 2019 10:38:59 pm
      Henderson suddenly fit for England  ???

      9 days is not sudden..wtf is wrong with you people.



      I am actually confused by these replies, what did HScRed1 say that was wrong? I don't think HScRed1 was keeping track of his injury and assumed he was out longer, hence his post.

      Had I not watched Klopp's post match interview vs Fulham, I too would have been shocked in seeing Hendo tonight!

      Anyway, I thought he was England's 2nd best player tonight!
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      Reply #6868: Mar 22, 2019 11:55:39 pm
      Seeing as though he was not fit for Sunday 5 days ago then it’s shithouse behaviour putting himself up for England.

      Jürgen as far as I remember said the International break is good timing for him to recover and be back for the campaign.
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      Reply #6869: Yesterday at 02:58:54 am
      https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/england-vs-czech-republic-result-score-goals-raheem-sterling-hat-trick-jordan-henderson-euro-2020-a8836256.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true

      Around eight minutes into this game, Kyle Walker got the ball in the centre of the England defence and looked up. Harry Kane was dropping deep, out of the forward line, ready to receive. Jadon Sancho was wandering up the right wing with that marvellous, languid gait of his, the sort where you can never quite tell whether he’s about to execute a triple elastico chop or strolling to the kitchen to make himself a sandwich. To the left, Michael Keane and Harry Maguire were the less exciting options. But hang on. Who was that blur of white streaking up the centre of the pitch, making the run in behind?

      It’s like Andy Warhol almost put it: in the future, everyone will be England’s No 8 for 15 minutes. And on a night where England’s superheroes took centre stage, it was one of their more humble performers who provided perhaps the game’s most interesting subplot. Was it a bird? Was it a plane? Was it one of those niche midfield positions with a Spanish name that you can never quite remember? In a way, it was a little of each. For a few fleeting moments at Wembley Stadium, Jordan Henderson was set free.

      Well. He played a bit higher than usual. For a bit. And yet this in itself was an arresting enough sight. For some years now, Henderson’s role for England has been more nightwatchman than burglar: often the deepest midfielder at the base of the triangle, shuffling play along, plugging the gaps, deterring the break.


      Remember that Monty Python sketch, Bicycle Repair Man? In a team full of superheroes in capes, Henderson offers something different: a tightening of bolts, a greasing of spokes, a pumping of tyres. Whenever your midfield is being broken, or menaced by international playmakers, Henderson is ready.

      Here, however, something was different, and it didn’t become apparent until we saw Henderson hurtling like Gerd Muller into the centre-forward position. Walker didn’t see the pass, by the way. Perhaps because the last thing you expect to see these days is Henderson on the shoulder of the last man, trying to spring the offside trap.

      “I’m playing more of a deeper role, a more disciplined role,” Henderson admitted back in November. “Now and again you may be picking a pass or two in behind, making something happen, but when we’re attacking – especially at Liverpool – I’m focusing on protection, being disciplined, being careful, worrying about counter-attacks, things like that. So it’s hard to do both.”

      Now, with Eric Dier locking the gate behind him, Henderson could kick off his shoes and scamper. There was another stirring, unrewarded run into the right channel as Kane dropped deep with the ball and looked up for the pass. A couple of hopeful Lampard-ish forays into the 18-yard box. And then, almost as quickly as it was upon us, the Henderson-as-CAM era was over. Dier was injured. Henderson was required to stand guard once more.

      And there he remained for the remaining 72 minutes of the game: not the marauding Henderson but the applauding Henderson. There he was, exhorting England’s defenders to wake up after Tomas Soucek got a free header in the England area. There he was, knocking the ball away after a promising Czech advance. There he was, the first man on the scene, mopping up the mess after Ross Barkley had done a whoopsie near the right touchline.


      And there he was, one of the last men on the scene as England celebrated their opening goal. While everyone was lauding Raheem Sterling for his two-yard tap-in, Sancho for his slightly misjudged cross and Kane for his defence-splitting pass, Henderson was the one who had started the move a few passes earlier. Nobody remembered that. Nobody really seems to remember very much of anything Henderson does these days.

      Which is a curious phenomenon, when you consider that this is a player who has played in a Champions League final, a World Cup semi-final, is chasing a Premier League title this season, England’s most capped active player, with a 50th appearance likely against Montenegro on Monday. It’s a decent enough CV, and yet outside the red half of Merseyside, Henderson still seems the sort of player more likely to elicit a sad sigh.

      His only crime, really, has been longevity. Euro 2020, should he make it, will be his fifth tournament before the age of 30. English football has always lusted after the next, shiny new toy. Declan Rice is the latest. Phil Foden may be the next. James Maddison, Harry Winks and James Ward-Prowse are all getting talked about as future England midfield generals. At the root of this, I think, lies some deep, unshakeable idea that somehow, England can do better than Henderson.


      Well, can they? It rather depends what you want from your central midfielder. If it’s stepovers and crunching tackles, silvery bursts of pace and Instagrammable diagonal passes, then no, perhaps Henderson isn’t your man. If it’s an experienced midfielder who hardly ever gives the ball away in the most crowded area of the pitch, then let’s talk numbers.

      So far this season – one mildly afflicted by injuries, remember – Henderson has played more passes per 90 minutes than any Premier League midfielder other than Jorginho, whose average pass length tends to be shorter. He has given the ball away less often than anybody else in his position. In the Champions League, meanwhile – the real quiz – he’s given the ball away once in six games, less often than any other midfielder in the competition. And here again, he was England’s most influential, most invisible midfielder: more than 100 touches, 95 passes, another cap in the bag, another win for which he will get virtually none of the credit.

      But then, that’s the lot of your bicycle repair man. Henderson doesn’t do this for match balls or glass trinkets. He’ll be wryly aware that Tomas Kalas, who inadvertently tapped the ball into his own net six minutes from time, has now scored more goals for England than he has. Perhaps in his dreamier moments, he wonders about the paths not taken, the futures not seized, the spotlights not claimed. But I doubt it. And besides, we’ll always have those 18 minutes of pure freedom.

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