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      Reply #6950: Apr 10, 2019 11:57:51 pm
      Jordan Henderson explains Jürgen Klopp's thinking behind his Liverpool midfield move and why Fabinho has been key
      Captain Jordan Henderson says his burning desire to contribute more to Liverpool's pursuit of a dream double led to him asking Jürgen Klopp to consider changing his role.

      The long-serving Reds midfielder revealed that he held talks with his manager prior to last week's trip to Southampton about the prospect of playing further forward.

      Henderson has been largely used as a holding midfielder during Klopp's reign, but having shone in an advanced position for England last month he felt that the time was right to be let off the leash on club duty.

      Klopp agreed and Henderson's response has been emphatic. There was a goal and an assist after coming off the bench in the victory at St Mary's and then he was a creative force throughout Tuesday's Champions League quarter-final first leg win over Porto at Anfield.

      “Me and the gaffer just had a conversation,” Henderson said.

      “I don't think the manager had thought about it too much until I mentioned it to him. It was something that he said he would think about.

      “The manager might not have seen me in that position too much. Obviously he'd seen the England games, I felt good in the England games playing in that position.

      “I felt more comfortable and natural in that position, creating chances further up and doing what I enjoy doing. At the same time when I played No.6, I felt I’ve learned that position really well and if I need to play there I can do a job there.

      “I can do both positions and he sees that I can do both. It’s basically about what he wants and needs from the team. In certain games he might want me to play deeper.

      “For me as a captain and as a player at this football club, I always put the team first. I do whatever the manager tells me to do really.

      “But when we had the conversation I felt that I could speak my mind. I want to contribute as much as I can to the team. I feel as though I can do that more in a further forward position.”


      The 28-year-old, who played in an attacking role during his early years at Anfield, was reinvented as a holding midfielder by Klopp and has effectively sacrificed himself for the side in recent seasons.

      However, he believes the growing influence of Fabinho as a shield in front of the back four this term has led to Liverpool being less reliant on his defensive qualities.

      The £40million Brazil international has now firmly established himself in Klopp's side after a slow start following his move from Monaco last summer.

      “In the last couple of years there hasn't really been a player like Fabinho in that role so I've had to adapt to it,” Henderson said.

      “I think I've done quite well. I think if you look at Fab, it's quite natural to him. That's his position and he's so good at what you need to do in that position.

      “I just thought that might give me a bit more licence to get forward more at times but you never know. The manager wants me in both positions which is good for me and for the team.”


      Henderson has certainly looked energised by the shackles coming off. It was his perfectly weighted pass which helped create the second goal for Roberto Firmino against Porto.

      he skipper provided a number of other quality deliveries, including the cross which Sadio Mane converted, only for an offside flag to curtail the celebrations.

      His all-action display, reminiscent of the performances he served up in Liverpool's last title challenge in 2013/14, was such that Klopp jokingly apologised for previously playing him in the wrong position for the past 18 months.

      Henderson added: “If that’s come up that's a good thing I suppose!

      “I’ve obviously enjoyed playing in that role, I played it when I first came but for a couple of years I’ve played in a deeper role.

      “I still feel that I adapted well. It’s another string to my bow that I can play both. I’m enjoying just playing and trying to contribute higher up the pitch in the final third.

      “When I first came I played right wing but I felt as though that when I was at my best and playing well I was playing further forward in that No.8 position.

      “I was sort of a box-to-box midfielder when the manager first came. In the last couple of years I’ve adapted well to being a No.6 and I can do that as well.

      “It’s just whatever the manager wants me to do and what the team needs me to do. When I play the deeper position my role changes and I try to do different things and I can’t effect it as much in the final third.

      “But against Porto and in the last game, when I play in that position, I feel as though I can make a difference going forward as well.”


      https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-captain-jordan-henderson-explains-16110267.amp?__twitter_impression=true

      If Hendo settles back in that 8 role and plays similar or higher to that exceptional level he showed in 13/14 season, I think it could shift our team to another gear.
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      Reply #6951: Apr 11, 2019 05:19:32 pm
      IMO, regarding Henderson it's not much where he start (position) that matter but it's how he play. Almost all of criticism toward him cause by his backward/sideways passes, by himself or by instruction that's another matter but recently in games we saw Hendo play much better there is no more such kind of passes.

      Again it's just my opinion.
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      Reply #6952: Apr 11, 2019 06:07:58 pm
      IMO, regarding Henderson it's not much where he start (position) that matter but it's how he play. Almost all of criticism toward him cause by his backward/sideways passes, by himself or by instruction that's another matter but recently in games we saw Hendo play much better there is no more such kind of passes.

      Again it's just my opinion.

      Well yea...if he's playing more defensive/holding position he's going to make more sideways/backwards passes, if he's playing more an attacking role, his passing should be more direct. I think that's exactly what he's trying to explain. Not sure what people don't get about that. He has basically said (as has Klopp) that his style of play is what it is because that's what Klopp has wanted him out of him. Now it has changed and what do you know...he can actually be more positive when the boss wants (lets) him to be.
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      Reply #6953: Apr 11, 2019 08:20:35 pm
      Well yea...if he's playing more defensive/holding position he's going to make more sideways/backwards passes, if he's playing more an attacking role, his passing should be more direct. I think that's exactly what he's trying to explain. Not sure what people don't get about that. He has basically said (as has Klopp) that his style of play is what it is because that's what Klopp has wanted him out of him. Now it has changed and what do you know...he can actually be more positive when the boss wants (lets) him to be.

      Nearly a decade of being way too safe when playing deep. When playing for Sunderland(?), England U21's in the Euro's under S.Pearce, Rodgers, Southgate and now Klopp; maybe the managers know his limitations and his style of play as a 6 and know not to push him too much in playing a more positive footballing game?

      No way can he distribute like a Fabinho or Alonso, nor will we see Alonso distribute like Jorginho or Jorginho like Gerrard or Gerrard like Busquets etc etc. It is what it is, every player has limitations and their own style of play.

      As for seeing Hendo playing positive now, you have to take into account he is playing as an 8 rather than 6, and him doing what he is doing now as an 8 has less emphasis on the ball than 6.
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      Reply #6954: Apr 12, 2019 12:14:54 pm
      Nearly a decade of being way too safe when playing deep. When playing for Sunderland(?), England U21's in the Euro's under S.Pearce, Rodgers, Southgate and now Klopp; maybe the managers know his limitations and his style of play as a 6 and know not to push him too much in playing a more positive footballing game?

      No way can he distribute like a Fabinho or Alonso, nor will we see Alonso distribute like Jorginho or Jorginho like Gerrard or Gerrard like Busquets etc etc. It is what it is, every player has limitations and their own style of play.

      As for seeing Hendo playing positive now, you have to take into account he is playing as an 8 rather than 6, and him doing what he is doing now as an 8 has less emphasis on the ball than 6.

      What a load of sh*te.

      If he was "limited" he'd have been out the door years ago.

      The fact is, he's a fine player, and you don't seem to be able to handle that fact or even grasp what he does.
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      Reply #6955: Apr 12, 2019 01:54:49 pm

      If he was "limited" he'd have been out the door years ago.
      Like who? Mignolet?  or Markovic? or Moreno?

      The fact is, he's a fine player, and you don't seem to be able to handle that fact or even grasp what he does.
      Yes Henderson is a good player but he has limit in some area of his game, like every player in the world.

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      Reply #6956: Apr 12, 2019 02:00:56 pm
      Like who? Mignolet?  or Markovic? or Moreno?


      Did any of them play under Dalglish, Rodgers and Klopp, not to mention various international managers?
      Were any of them captain?
      Were any of them international captains?

      It's a false comparison, as I think you well know.

      The fact is that this is a stupid argument if you understand what he does on the pitch, and how Klopp sets the team up.

      3 f**king years it's taken for people to understand that we don't set up with attacking midfielders, apart from 1, sometimes.
      Against Porto, we set up with 2, and we were wide open, but that was mostly because Robertson was out.


      If you want to understand our systems, just look at how many assists the fullbacks have.
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      Reply #6957: Apr 12, 2019 04:42:46 pm
      Like who? Mignolet?  or Markovic? or Moreno?
      Yes Henderson is a good player but he has limit in some area of his game, like every player in the world.



      Comparing Henderson to Mignolet, Markovic and Moreno is a microcosm of all that's wrong with a lot of negative views on Henderson
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      Reply #6958: Apr 12, 2019 07:30:36 pm
      Comparing Henderson to Mignolet, Markovic and Moreno is a microcosm of all that's wrong with a lot of negative views on Henderson

      I'm not compare those players. I'm already said Hendo is a good player and can't remember mention him a sh*t or anything like that. But Swab said 'If he was "limited" he'd have been out the door years ago' so I mention those player such as Mignolet etc who definitely not better player to Hendo but they still playing for our club. Just want to point that player with "limited" can play in any team because "limited" is not "disability".     
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      Reply #6959: Apr 12, 2019 11:52:34 pm
      I'm not compare those players. I'm already said Hendo is a good player and can't remember mention him a sh*t or anything like that. But Swab said 'If he was "limited" he'd have been out the door years ago' so I mention those player such as Mignolet etc who definitely not better player to Hendo but they still playing for our club. Just want to point that player with "limited" can play in any team because "limited" is not "disability".     

      Ignore the old man mate he gets very aggressive if you don’t understand his interpretation of how Liverpool set up.

      I wonder what Ox did last year or maybe the reason why Klopp wanted Fekir so badly.

      Having different angles of attack are so much more effective than the predicted lines of attack as seen by Henderson joining the attack recently.

      There is no such thing as our attack is based on our full backs, it just happens that they have been asked to contribute more without Ox or a Fekir type attacking mid.
      They are as important as the City full backs but just happen to be better as they are compensating for our midfield.

      Kloppo is very pragmatic and will adapt to what is available but he knows long term we need more from midfield.

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      Reply #6960: Apr 13, 2019 09:34:20 am

      Do you mean me? I’m 28 😂. Granted I hurt my back golfing last week but not over the hill just yet ;)
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      Reply #6961: Apr 13, 2019 09:34:54 am
      I'm not compare those players. I'm already said Hendo is a good player and can't remember mention him a sh*t or anything like that. But Swab said 'If he was "limited" he'd have been out the door years ago' so I mention those player such as Mignolet etc who definitely not better player to Hendo but they still playing for our club. Just want to point that player with "limited" can play in any team because "limited" is not "disability".     

      There’s a difference between limited and sh*te though
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      Reply #6962: Apr 13, 2019 10:34:10 am
      There’s a difference between limited and sh*te though

      The reality is there are very few sh*te players in the prem they may not be to everyone’s liking, but their far more talented than the average ball kicker in your local league .
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      Reply #6963: Apr 13, 2019 10:45:06 am
      The reality is there are very few sh*te players in the prem they may not be to everyone’s liking, but their far more talented than the average ball kicker in your local league .

      There are no 'sh*te' players in any kind of league football. There are lots of players out of their depth though.
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      Reply #6964: Apr 13, 2019 12:16:19 pm
      I'm not compare those players. I'm already said Hendo is a good player and can't remember mention him a sh*t or anything like that. But Swab said 'If he was "limited" he'd have been out the door years ago' so I mention those player such as Mignolet etc who definitely not better player to Hendo but they still playing for our club. Just want to point that player with "limited" can play in any team because "limited" is not "disability".     

      Mignolet, Markovic and Moreno wasn't it?

      Mignolet is on his way out unless he is happy warming the bench. OK, people were a bit pissed off that we took so long to upgrade him, but we eventually did, so no worries. He's still better than most 'keepers out there. The prem being the pinnacle of a very large structure of organised professional sport, if you add up the number of 'keepers who are professional players, Mignolet is (at a minimum) in the top 5%
      Markovic has barely worn the shirt, but he has bags of talent. His problem seems to be one of application.
      Moreno is a fantastic footballer, but he's not a good defender at this level. Stick him in a Spanish team and I guarantee people will be saying "why couldn't he play like that for us".

      The fact is, we don't have any players who are "limited", except insofar as we wouldn't put Firmino at CB.
      It's a fallacy put about by people who don't understand professional sport, and were brought up on Sky having loads of close ups, replays, and slow motion.
      You can't judge a player by a slow motion replay.
      You have to view it in real time, as managers do, as players do, as refs do etc etc
      Once you understand just how quick, agile, skillful and powerful these guys are you can see just how far above "limited" all of them are.
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      Reply #6965: Apr 13, 2019 12:57:40 pm
      Do you mean me? I’m 28 😂. Granted I hurt my back golfing last week but not over the hill just yet ;)


      He wasn't referring to you, Mags.

      As for skolRED's post, I think you may have misinterpreted his point. It doesn't matter if the players he mentioned are sh*te, he could have mentioned Fabinho, Milner or even Gomez (as RB), the point was, every player has limitations and despite those limitations, the manager still has them around, and despite those limatations, it certainly doesn't mean you dont appreciate or consider the player to be world class.
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      Reply #6966: Apr 13, 2019 03:24:07 pm
      Mignolet, Markovic and Moreno wasn't it?

      Mignolet is on his way out unless he is happy warming the bench. OK, people were a bit pissed off that we took so long to upgrade him, but we eventually did, so no worries. He's still better than most 'keepers out there. The prem being the pinnacle of a very large structure of organised professional sport, if you add up the number of 'keepers who are professional players, Mignolet is (at a minimum) in the top 5%
      Markovic has barely worn the shirt, but he has bags of talent. His problem seems to be one of application.
      Moreno is a fantastic footballer, but he's not a good defender at this level. Stick him in a Spanish team and I guarantee people will be saying "why couldn't he play like that for us".

      The fact is, we don't have any players who are "limited", except insofar as we wouldn't put Firmino at CB.
      It's a fallacy put about by people who don't understand professional sport, and were brought up on Sky having loads of close ups, replays, and slow motion.
      You can't judge a player by a slow motion replay.
      You have to view it in real time, as managers do, as players do, as refs do etc etc
      Once you understand just how quick, agile, skillful and powerful these guys are you can see just how far above "limited" all of them are.

      I'm appreciated your afford to explain things mate.
      Problem is I'm really struggle to explain my thoughts in English and I call this my "limitation". I tried to use Google Translate and you know it excellently make me look like a complete fool ha ha.

      Finally I just want to say I also appreciate Hendersons contribution to our team. He's a good boy and his playing now is really good so hopefully he keep doing it at this level. Come On Redmen :scarf:

         
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      Reply #6967: Apr 13, 2019 03:44:29 pm
      I'm appreciated your afford to explain things mate.
      Problem is I'm really struggle to explain my thoughts in English and I call this my "limitation". I tried to use Google Translate and you know it excellently make me look like a complete fool ha ha.

      Finally I just want to say I also appreciate Hendersons contribution to our team. He's a good boy and his playing now is really good so hopefully he keep doing it at this level. Come On Redmen :scarf:

         

      NO problem mate I understand what "Come on Redmen " means and its good enough for me .YNWA.
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      Reply #6968: Apr 14, 2019 10:53:57 am
      Comparing Henderson to Mignolet, Markovic and Moreno is a microcosm of all that's wrong with a lot of negative views on Henderson
      Depends on perspective, as a DM his quality is Stuart Downing in attack, that's my opinion. As an 8 he's usually been pretty good. That's what he was doing at Sunderland when we got him. Mignolet is a level below Henderson, I'm not even convinced he's a real person. A hologram maybe? Everything went straight through him.
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      Reply #6969: Apr 14, 2019 12:20:56 pm
      Depends on perspective, as a DM his quality is Stuart Downing in attack, that's my opinion. As an 8 he's usually been pretty good. That's what he was doing at Sunderland when we got him. Mignolet is a level below Henderson, I'm not even convinced he's a real person. A hologram maybe? Everything went straight through him.

      This is a load of bollocks.
      That's my opinion.
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      Reply #6970: Apr 14, 2019 12:31:06 pm
      This is a load of bollocks.
      That's my opinion.
      so you are saying Henderson is not a good number 8, a bit negative if you ask me.
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      Reply #6971: Apr 14, 2019 02:07:49 pm
      Depends on perspective, as a DM his quality is Stuart Downing in attack, that's my opinion. As an 8 he's usually been pretty good. That's what he was doing at Sunderland when we got him. Mignolet is a level below Henderson, I'm not even convinced he's a real person. A hologram maybe? Everything went straight through him.

      Don't agree with the first part but the second make be laugh :D
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      Reply #6972: Apr 14, 2019 07:52:08 pm
      He is something else as an 8, isn't he? Never once did I doubt him in the 8 role and have been calling it for so many seasons to play to his strengths, and now that he has that opportunity, he is showing how influential he can be.
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      Reply #6973: Apr 14, 2019 08:36:27 pm
      He is something else as an 8, isn't he? Never once did I doubt him in the 8 role and have been calling it for so many seasons to play to his strengths, and now that he has that opportunity, he is showing how influential he can be.
      He's twice the player in that role.
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      Reply #6974: Apr 14, 2019 10:23:41 pm
      He is something else as an 8, isn't he? Never once did I doubt him in the 8 role and have been calling it for so many seasons to play to his strengths, and now that he has that opportunity, he is showing how influential he can be.
      Think I owe you an apology Though it was Rib' calling for Henderson to be a No 8 when in fact it was you mate... Sorry

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