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      Re: Jordan Henderson Player Thread
      Reply #6417: Nov 30, 2018 06:48:43 pm
      You didn't back anything up.

      You just posted some weird fantasy scenario.

      You've been banging this drum for a while now, clowning on about Klopp's "credibility" being lost if he doesn't do what a few internet gobshites want.
      It's utter f**king fantasy.

      Then you tried the angle that Fabinho would be sold if Klopp didn't immediately bin Henderson, using such bullshit terms as "frozen out" to try and provoke a response.

      Now you're back onto Klopp's credibility, as if anyone who knows Klopp gives a f**k about what some no mark on an internet forum thinks.

      Surely you're not so deluded that you think anyone who matters at the club or in his life actually reads the sh*te you post, are you?
      Fabinho has been frozen out. Klopp dropped Moreno and Mignolet, most fans wanted that. Right now most fans want the midfield sorting. Honestly, are you happy with the midfield set-up? I've seen you defend Henderson till the cows come home, the runner argument you made is flawed because it revolves around only Ox being able to be a runner. Can you accept Keita can be a runner? If so, who would you drop in midfield to fit him in?
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      Reply #6418: Nov 30, 2018 06:57:52 pm
      Fabinho has been frozen out. Klopp dropped Moreno and Mignolet, most fans wanted that. Right now most fans want the midfield sorting. Honestly, are you happy with the midfield set-up? I've seen you defend Henderson till the cows come home, the runner argument you made is flawed because it revolves around only Ox being able to be a runner. Can you accept Keita can be a runner? If so, who would you drop in midfield to fit him in?

      Has he F**k been "frozen out", he either hasn't adjusted sufficiently, or the bloke who sees him in training every day thinks he's not ready or isn't better than the incumbent.

      I've also said a dozen times that Keita can be the runner from deep, or not so deep.

      And you accuse others of not reading?  :roll:

      Stop with the fantasy sh*t ffs, it's beyond boring now.
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      Reply #6419: Nov 30, 2018 07:02:09 pm
      Has he f**k been "frozen out", he either hasn't adjusted sufficiently, or the bloke who sees him in training every day thinks he's not ready or isn't better than the incumbent.

      I've also said a dozen times that Keita can be the runner from deep, or not so deep.

      And you accuse others of not reading?  :roll:

      Stop with the fantasy sh*t ffs, it's beyond boring now.
      Okay so Keita can be the runner, so Ox has nothing to do with this.
      If Klopp wanted a runner he would play Keita, so by your own admission you would do things differently to Klopp, otherwise saying a runner is needed doesn't make sense. Most fans agree that we need a connection to go forward. Somebody would need to be dropped, Gini, Milner or Henderson... who would you drop to fit the runner in?
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      Reply #6420: Nov 30, 2018 07:05:17 pm
      Okay so Keita can be the runner, so Ox has nothing to do with this.
      If Klopp wanted a runner he would play Keita, 

      Keita has been injured...
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      Reply #6421: Nov 30, 2018 07:07:24 pm

      Shabs, I'd get more sense talking to gravy.
      The fella's clueless.
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      Reply #6422: Nov 30, 2018 07:09:23 pm
      He has not been injured in all the games he has been overlooked in, you are just avoiding the question. I asked you two times who you would drop to accommodate ther runner. You don't have the answers to your own suggestions. What an utter joke.
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      Reply #6423: Nov 30, 2018 07:16:03 pm
      He has not been injured in all the games he has been overlooked in, you are just avoiding the question. I asked you two times who you would drop to accommodate ther runner. You don't have the answers to your own suggestions. What an utter joke.

      He has been suffering an injury and illness over the last 5/6 weeks ffs
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      Reply #6424: Nov 30, 2018 07:19:34 pm
      Do you even understand the position he plays?

      Masch won the ball and gave it to Alonso.

      Didi won the ball and gave it to Gerrard.

      That was their job.

      You expect Henderson to win the ball and then also do what Alonso and Gerrard did.

      These are not my "idea's" these are basic football concepts, which anyone who is serious about the game should understand.
      ffs, it's like a mathematician not knowing his times tables.

      That's the problem here; too many people who have no clue, aren't interested in learning, because they just want to take the easy option and bi*ch and moan.


      I understand it perfectly well , what I donā€™t understand is how your not managing in the prem being as your such a know it all expert ,the gospel According to Swab agree with me or what you think is irrelevant,

      I actually like Jordan just donā€™t think at the moment he is playing anywhere near good enough ,if that makes me a bad fan for thinking that ,well guess what thereā€™s an awfull Lot of bad ones sitting in anfield .

       This  is a forum open to anyoneā€™s ideas not just yours,they may not be to your liking heā€™ll they might all be pish , but None of us is going to be managing a top team anytime soon , so it really doesnā€™t matter ,
      All I see you doing if you donā€™t agree is throwing a few childish insults ,everyone is allowed an opinion wether you agree or not , no one forces you to read or like someoneā€™s post Thas allowed as well .
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      Reply #6425: Nov 30, 2018 07:24:06 pm
      He has been suffering an injury and illness over the last 5/6 weeks ffs
      Klopp puts injured players on the bench then does he?
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      Reply #6426: Nov 30, 2018 07:27:45 pm
      I understand it perfectly well , what I donā€™t understand is how your not managing in the prem being as your such a know it all expert ,the gospel According to Swab agree with me or what you think is irrelevant,

      I actually like Jordan just donā€™t think at the moment he is playing anywhere near good enough ,if that makes me a bad fan for thinking that ,well guess what thereā€™s an awfull Lot of bad ones sitting in anfield .

       This  is a forum open to anyoneā€™s ideas not just yours,they may not be to your liking heā€™ll they might all be pish , but None of us is going to be managing a top team anytime soon , so it really doesnā€™t matter ,
      All I see you doing if you donā€™t agree is throwing a few childish insults ,everyone is allowed an opinion wether you agree or not , no one forces you to read or like someoneā€™s post Thas allowed as well .

      I don't think you're a bad fan.

      Lookit, why do you and others expect the deepest midfielder to also be the most creative when that job is not and never has been the role of a 6 (ish)?

      Do you expect the centrebacks to be creative?

      Or do you expect the 6 (ish) to win the ball, recycle possession, screen the CB's, play well defensively, get the ball wide etc etc

      Since when was it the job of the most defensive midfielder to be creative?

      I'll ask again; did you demand that Masch was creative? or Hamann?
      They did the same job, so why do you demand it of Henderson.

      If he was playing further up the field as the 8 I could understand it, but people are demanding something of him that isn't his job.
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      Reply #6427: Nov 30, 2018 07:29:25 pm
      Klopp puts injured players on the bench then does he?

      He has played 12 games so far this season - the ones he has missed was after he hurt his back in Napoli and then on international duty and was then suffering an illness and since then has been on the bench

      He hasnā€™t been ā€œfrozenā€ out - as with most new guys into the league itā€™s about ensuring the adjustment to the league is smooth and doesnā€™t damage the player but then I very much doubt you would understand that
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      Reply #6428: Nov 30, 2018 07:32:28 pm
      He has not been injured in all the games he has been overlooked in, you are just avoiding the question. I asked you two times who you would drop to accommodate ther runner. You don't have the answers to your own suggestions. What an utter joke.

      You ainā€™t asked me nothing kiddo, Iā€™ve only engaged with you in the post that I replied too..

      Oh wait...while weā€™re at it, You still have not answered the question I posed about the ā€˜double pivotā€™ in the team you picked to play PSG,How would it work & what does it mean...
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      Reply #6429: Nov 30, 2018 07:33:49 pm
      You ainā€™t asked me nothing kiddo, Iā€™ve only engaged with you in the post that I replied too..

      Oh wait...while weā€™re at it, You still have not answered the question I posed about the ā€˜double pivotā€™ in the team you picked to play PSG,How would it work & what does it mean...
      For the 3rd time, who would you drop for Keita?
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      Reply #6430: Dec 01, 2018 11:35:19 am
      I don't think you're a bad fan.

      Lookit, why do you and others expect the deepest midfielder to also be the most creative when that job is not and never has been the role of a 6 (ish)?

      Do you expect the centrebacks to be creative?

      Or do you expect the 6 (ish) to win the ball, recycle possession, screen the CB's, play well defensively, get the ball wide etc etc

      Since when was it the job of the most defensive midfielder to be creative?

      I'll ask again; did you demand that Masch was creative? or Hamann?
      They did the same job, so why do you demand it of Henderson.

      If he was playing further up the field as the 8 I could understand it, but people are demanding something of him that isn't his job.
      Canā€™t speak for others but I have never said I expect our deepest midfielder to be the Most creative, what I do expect is him to take the right option when there are maybe two passes on one forward or one straight back to the defender whoā€™s given him the ball , canā€™t always be a pass on but more often than not there is .

      Do I expect centre backs to be creative , not as much as others granted but there has been many occasions when Joe has been involved in getting us going ,even WD plays us out occasionally , primary job defend granted

      If as you say itā€™s not his job to create,what else but screen the CB defend well and recycle possession should he be doing?

      Itā€™s everyones job to create if the opportunity arises including him .

      I didnā€™t demand anything of Masch or Didi same as I donā€™t of Jordan donā€™t say heā€™s on their level please , and yes I can remember Didi striding through midfield .
      Look I like Jordan but the fact remains when I think heā€™s poor Iā€™ll say so you or no one else have to agree , itā€™s all about opinions heā€™ll you can sit there in a live game and have a different opinion to your mate it happens

      Saying Jordan is definitely not there to create is simply not true ,itā€™s like saying Mane Salah or Bobby are not defenders when we know they defend when called apon , the whole team is there to create in one way or another be it Alisson with a long throw out or Andy flying down the wing Jordan is as much a part of the collective as anyone .
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      Reply #6431: Dec 01, 2018 12:25:49 pm
      Canā€™t speak for others but I have never said I expect our deepest midfielder to be the Most creative, what I do expect is him to take the right option when there are maybe two passes on one forward or one straight back to the defender whoā€™s given him the ball , canā€™t always be a pass on but more often than not there is .

      Do I expect centre backs to be creative , not as much as others granted but there has been many occasions when Joe has been involved in getting us going ,even WD plays us out occasionally , primary job defend granted

      If as you say itā€™s not his job to create,what else but screen the CB defend well and recycle possession should he be doing?

      Itā€™s everyones job to create if the opportunity arises including him .

      I didnā€™t demand anything of Masch or Didi same as I donā€™t of Jordan donā€™t say heā€™s on their level please , and yes I can remember Didi striding through midfield .
      Look I like Jordan but the fact remains when I think heā€™s poor Iā€™ll say so you or no one else have to agree , itā€™s all about opinions heā€™ll you can sit there in a live game and have a different opinion to your mate it happens

      Saying Jordan is definitely not there to create is simply not true ,itā€™s like saying Mane Salah or Bobby are not defenders when we know they defend when called apon , the whole team is there to create in one way or another be it Alisson with a long throw out or Andy flying down the wing Jordan is as much a part of the collective as anyone .

      No, I'm saying his primary role isn't to create, there's a huge difference, but it always gets ignored, just like Mane, Salah's and Firmino's primary role isn't to defend.

      It's really easy to see that he positions himself between, slightly in front of, or to the left of the 2 CB's.
      I see a player sitting there and I don't think "he must be creative" I think "his job is defensive" and that's what I expect from him.
      I expect the creativity to come from the MF who is furthest forwards, or the link man, and at the moment that's Firmino, but because we are lacking that midfield runner to break the lines, he hasn't got the space that he had last season.

      I keep on saying it, and it keeps on being ignored because people would rather slag Henderson; we are lacking in the final 3rd because Ox is injured and Keita has not broken through yet for one reason or another.
      It has very little to do with Henderson.
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      Reply #6432: Dec 01, 2018 12:36:21 pm
      No, I'm saying his primary role isn't to create, there's a huge difference, but it always gets ignored, just like Mane, Salah's and Firmino's primary role isn't to defend.

      It's really easy to see that he positions himself between, slightly in front of, or to the left of the 2 CB's.
      I see a player sitting there and I don't think "he must be creative" I think "his job is defensive" and that's what I expect from him.
      I expect the creativity to come from the MF who is furthest forwards, or the link man, and at the moment that's Firmino, but because we are lacking that midfield runner to break the lines, he hasn't got the space that he had last season.

      I keep on saying it, and it keeps on being ignored because people would rather slag Henderson; we are lacking in the final 3rd because Ox is injured and Keita has not broken through yet for one reason or another.
      It has very little to do with Henderson.

      No, I'm saying his primary role isn't to create, there's a huge difference, but it always gets ignored, just like Mane, Salah's and Firmino's primary role isn't to defend.

      It's really easy to see that he positions himself between, slightly in front of, or to the left of the 2 CB's.
      I see a player sitting there and I don't think "he must be creative" I think "his job is defensive" and that's what I expect from him.
      I expect the creativity to come from the MF who is furthest forwards, or the link man, and at the moment that's Firmino, but because we are lacking that midfield runner to break the lines, he hasn't got the space that he had last season.

      I keep on saying it, and it keeps on being ignored because people would rather slag Henderson; we are lacking in the final 3rd because Ox is injured and Keita has not broken through yet for one reason or another.
      It has very little to do with Henderson.
      Do you think Iā€™ve slagged Jordan off ?
      I was hoping the same of Keita still hope he is going to be that player he has been restricted so far but when played he has shown promise  ,
      We might have e few words but I donā€™t think weā€™re that far away from the same page just donā€™t see it as black and white as you seem too .
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      Reply #6433: Dec 01, 2018 12:45:31 pm
      Do you think Iā€™ve slagged Jordan off ?
      I was hoping the same of Keita still hope he is going to be that player he has been restricted so far but when played he has shown promise  ,
      We might have e few words but I donā€™t think weā€™re that far away from the same page just donā€™t see it as black and white as you seem too .

      I didn't say you did mate.
      I just think there's a lot of misconceptions around about what the lad's job is and a few posters who ignore that in favour of a witch hunt.
      For instance, Klopp was very clear that Fabinho was being brought in to replace Can, but some posters ignored it and started banging on about how he was Hendersons replacement, when anyone with sense (or without an agenda) knew that wasn't going to be the case.
      With time, we'll rotate that 6 position between the 2 or have one of them move further up, but the main thing is that we'll have options once Fabinho and Keita are ready, and not see our midfield exhausted by January.

      Now, if someone asked me if Henderson is in his best form, I'd have to say no; he's doing a decent job, but he's not at his best.
      He probably deserves a kick up the arse (like when he got sent off) now and again, but he's far from our weakest link on the field at the moment, and doesn't deserve the amount of sh*t the agenda lads are throwing at him.
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      Reply #6434: Dec 01, 2018 03:22:36 pm
      I didn't say you did mate.
      I just think there's a lot of misconceptions around about what the lad's job is and a few posters who ignore that in favour of a witch hunt.
      For instance, Klopp was very clear that Fabinho was being brought in to replace Can, but some posters ignored it and started banging on about how he was Hendersons replacement, when anyone with sense (or without an agenda) knew that wasn't going to be the case.
      With time, we'll rotate that 6 position between the 2 or have one of them move further up, but the main thing is that we'll have options once Fabinho and Keita are ready, and not see our midfield exhausted by January.

      Now, if someone asked me if Henderson is in his best form, I'd have to say no; he's doing a decent job, but he's not at his best.
      He probably deserves a kick up the arse (like when he got sent off) now and again, but he's far from our weakest link on the field at the moment, and doesn't deserve the amount of sh*t the agenda lads are throwing at him.

      I actually think once Fabinho settles in he will take Henderson's place as the 6.

      I also actually think Klopp sees him as the most defensive player once he is a first team regular regardless of what he said about him being a replacement for Emre.

      The position Henderson occupies is the exact position Fabinho excels in.

      I remember  reading an article somewhere that revealed stat for stat Fabinho trump's Hendo in all bar passing. I think it was squaka comparing him to Hendo, Gini, Milner, Ox and Keita. I'll see if I can dig it out.

      Also on the Klopp comments, I'm fairly certain it would be stupid of him to say he is replacing a current starter Vs a want away player running his contract down to move to Juventus.

      I'd actually say Keita is more suited to replacing Can out of the two of them.

      Edit: Found it...

      https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.squawka.com/en/news/how-fabinho-compares-to-liverpools-current-central-midfield-options/1038080%3famp-on
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      Reply #6435: Dec 01, 2018 03:25:02 pm
      Fabinho will take the place at 6 when he is settled meaning Henderson will go into the 8 role ( something already mentioned by Klopp )
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      Reply #6436: Dec 01, 2018 03:38:42 pm
      I actually think once Fabinho settles in he will take Henderson's place as the 6.

      I also actually think Klopp sees him as the most defensive player once he is a first team regular regardless of what he said about him being a replacement for Emre.

      The position Henderson occupies is the exact position Fabinho excels in.

      I remember  reading an article somewhere that revealed stat for stat Fabinho trump's Hendo in all bar passing. I think it was squaka comparing him to Hendo, Gini, Milner, Ox and Keita. I'll see if I can dig it out.

      Also on the Klopp comments, I'm fairly certain it would be stupid of him to say he is replacing a current starter Vs a want away player running his contract down to move to Juventus.

      I'd actually say Keita is more suited to replacing Can out of the two of them.

      Edit: Found it...

      https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.squawka.com/en/news/how-fabinho-compares-to-liverpools-current-central-midfield-options/1038080%3famp-on

      Decent points, but there's a couple of things I'd point out, the first being that Can played 6 when Henderson was injured, and did an OK job to be fair.
      The second point is that Fabinho needs to translate those stats from the French league into the prem, which is a far tougher league, and a fair bit faster.

      I'm not overly fussed who plays the deeper role as long as they can do the job, although I have to say I prefer Henderson further up the pitch, where he can put his pace, energy and combative play to good use, and also attack more.

      There was an article in the Independent where Klopp spoke about Fabinho replacing Can, and he also spoke about Fabinho being able to play a number of roles, which were the 2, 6 and 8, the same roles Can played, which I don't think is coincidence, after all, we knew Can was going for a year.

      Keita I think will play as the most advanced midfielder, using his powerful running and vision to break down bus parkers, but we may also see him in the 8 when Ox comes back.

      Once the new lads get integrated fully, the one thing we'll have a lot of is options, and I think that can only bode well for us.
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      Reply #6437: Dec 01, 2018 03:57:45 pm
      Fabinho will take the place at 6 when he is settled meaning Henderson will go into the 8 role ( something already mentioned by Klopp )

      Henderson was bought in as Gerrrads heir but circumstance within the playing staff meant the skipper had to be sacrificed into a DM rathe4 than a B2B midfielder...

      What position was Henderson playing under Rodgers?
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      Reply #6438: Dec 01, 2018 03:59:37 pm
      Henderson was bought in as Gerrrads heir but circumstance within the playing staff meant the skipper had to be sacrificed into a DM rathe4 than a B2B midfielder...

      What position was Henderson playing under Rodgers?

      He was higher up the pitch and coming from the right a lot
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      Reply #6439: Dec 01, 2018 04:13:11 pm
      The second point is that Fabinho needs to translate those stats from the French league into the prem, which is a far tougher league, and a fair bit faster.

      I think he'll definitely adjust to the pace of the league and he will transfer his stats to the prem.

      In fact I think his stats will probably go up a fair bit too because of how fast the game is played in the prem compared to in France.

      From what I've seen of him, i think he's going to be a monster when he finally does cement a place in the side.

      Once the new lads get integrated fully, the one thing we'll have a lot of is options, and I think that can only bode well for us.

      Definitely mate, hopefully we very rarely see the dreaded 3 combination and a see bit more ruthlessness and urgency in our attack.

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