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      Re: Arsenal FC
      Reply #1350: Apr 20, 2018 03:08:46 pm
      Have a feeling it will be Brendan.
      Third person I’ve heard say that today  :f_doh:
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      Reply #1351: Apr 20, 2018 03:09:35 pm
      Some of us have never known a time when Wenger wasn't the manager of Arsenal.

      Nonetheless I hope he gets the send off he deserves. I still believe he raised football in the Premier League to a level that helped English clubs become conquerors of Europe not least Man Utd who would never have risen to the levels required to win the treble in 1999 if it wasn't for Wenger relaying the foundations of English top flight football when Arsenal won the league in 1998. Indeed our own decision to appoint Houllier was in large part influenced by the massive changes seen at Arsenal, Gerard being similar to Arsene in that he hauled this club up to a higher standard than his immediate predecessors.

      We've had some great encounters with Arsenal over the years and it has always been the most entertaining of fixtures in that time (my personal favourite being Neil Mellor's last gasp stunner). Let's hope that doesn't change when he leaves.

      He'll be missed.

      I know to think we properly hated Arsenal under George Graham!! That definitely mellowed under Arsene and with the emergence of the mancs winning the league a lot during the 90s.

      For all the arse-kissing of Pep and the way he's got Man City playing, that Arsenal team of Henry, Vieira, Petit et al has to be remembered as one the best footballing teams of modern times.
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      Reply #1352: Apr 20, 2018 03:25:16 pm
      I know to think we properly hated Arsenal under George Graham!! That definitely mellowed under Arsene and with the emergence of the mancs winning the league a lot during the 90s.

      For all the arse-kissing of Pep and the way he's got Man City playing, that Arsenal team of Henry, Vieira, Petit et al has to be remembered as one the best footballing teams of modern times.

      Yeah - that for me is still the most cultured side I have ever seen in the league. Where there's a falsity about Man City there was fantasy with Arsenal. I'll always remember the despair after the game at Highbury on Good Friday in 2004. Leading 2-1 at half time and thinking 'we've got them on the ropes here', their unbeaten league record hanging by a thread. It was the same week that they got knocked out of the FA Cup and Champions League by Man Utd and Chelsea respectively and on that basis I really fancied us! And then came the second half, they just destroyed us, Henry hat trick included. 4-2 full time. Given that we were fighting for our lives to get back into the Champions League it was a real bummer of a result but one that at the same time underlined the brilliance of that Arsenal side. Such a charismatic and idealistic football team that was.
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      Reply #1353: Apr 20, 2018 03:46:08 pm
      Moyes would have been a good fit, he is good at managing teams around Everton's quality level  :D
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      Reply #1354: Apr 20, 2018 04:45:03 pm
      Hope this is where the spiral down for them begins, they get in a manager who throws away money and the fans realise how good of a manager Wenger was.
      Liked Wenger and his philosophy, although he did realise in the end that money do buy you success.
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      Re: Arsenal FC
      Reply #1355: Apr 20, 2018 05:03:21 pm
      Been telling Arsenal and Spurs fans it's going to be Pochettino all day, it's been great fun.
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      Re: Arsenal FC
      Reply #1356: Apr 20, 2018 06:24:04 pm

       :lmao: I asked for that one  ;D
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      Reply #1357: Apr 20, 2018 06:26:24 pm
      Have a feeling it will be Brendan.

      He's no real success as a manager so far.
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      Reply #1358: Apr 20, 2018 07:07:09 pm
      Do we think that's the end of Wenger's career? If England cock up in the summer (again) what are the chances the FA makes a call? Maybe France? Another club even? Maybe he can take Man Utd up on that offer from back in 2001 eh Keith.  ;)
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      Reply #1359: Apr 20, 2018 07:41:41 pm
      Do we think that's the end of Wenger's career? If England cock up in the summer (again) what are the chances the FA makes a call? Maybe France? Another club even? Maybe he can take Man Utd up on that offer from back in 2001 eh Keith.  ;)

      Don’t think it’s the end of him but I think it will just continue to get worse for him, the game has out grown him and his ideas. He was too focussed on having the youngest team, that would go on and dominate for a decade, instead of signing what he actually needed. Now when he actually signs the likes of Lacazette and Aubamayang, he’s already lost all respect of his team. He let the Sanchez and Ozil sagas drag on far too long and he just basically fell under player pressure IMO. Comments like he’s not sure if Aubamayang will play at the weekend because he can’t play in the Europa on Thursdays...seriously what’s that all about?

      He has been good for Arsenal and he Premier League but he should have stepped aside years ago.
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      Reply #1360: Apr 20, 2018 07:48:18 pm
      Do we think that's the end of Wenger's career? If England cock up in the summer (again) what are the chances the FA makes a call?

      I actually think that's not a bad idea for the England job mate. We've had some sh*te managers over the last 40 years. Wenger would certainly be a improvement on them.
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      Reply #1361: Apr 20, 2018 11:01:28 pm
      Arsenal will be looking for a better manager than either, Pullis or Pardew. Who would send the club spiralling down the table, quicker than ever. Surely they will be looking to appoint a foreign manager, to bring them success.
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      Reply #1362: Apr 20, 2018 11:24:58 pm
      Feel sorry for Wenger, Arsenal started going down hill with Roman's money then City's money coming into the game that is when they started to struggle... Built some great teams, 19 season in a row he gave them CL, and one final has to be a record...
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      Reply #1363: Apr 20, 2018 11:54:03 pm
      Feel sorry for Wenger, Arsenal started going down hill with Roman's money then City's money coming into the game that is when they started to struggle... Built some great teams, 19 season in a row he gave them CL, and one final has to be a record...

      Arsenal struggles began after buying young prospects & selling in for huge transfer fees whilst investing into the new Stadia build...

      Wenger for all his critics had Arsenal punching obove their weight to be honest... Going to take them a while to recover and get back into a top 4 team.
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      Reply #1364: Apr 21, 2018 12:40:17 am
      Arsenal struggles began after buying young prospects & selling in for huge transfer fees whilst investing into the new Stadia build...

      Wenger for all his critics had Arsenal punching obove their weight to be honest... Going to take them a while to recover and get back into a top 4 team.

      Totally agree with you there Shabs. I think the temptation amongst Wenger's critics is to dismiss his Arsenal career outright from 2006 onwards which doesn't factor in the difficult balancing act in the transfer market that depended upon finding talent at cheap prices all the while keeping Arsenal relatively competitive albeit without trophies.

      And for as brilliant a mind as Wenger was, his success was also about incorporating the incredible knowledge of David Dein above him (who was basically a technical director) and the presence of strong characters in the dressing room (which I suppose was a byproduct of Dein's talent spotting). Not many have mentioned just how big a loss Dein was for Arsenal and Wenger. After all it was he who had the foresight to buck the trend and hire Wenger out of nowhere and it was his continental reach that allowed Arsenal to acquire Bergkamp (before Wenger arrived) as well as secure the likes of Henry, Vieira on behalf of Wenger and of course Sol Campbell from the other half of north London! When he left Wenger must have lost a bit of trust and support at the club.
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      Reply #1365: Apr 21, 2018 12:43:44 am
      Agree with those saying he should have left some seasons ago he had run his course for me,but bloody hell he was a fantastic manager though and brought over some fantastic players who lit up the premier league
      ,whoever comes in has some pretty big boots to fill,I'll certainly miss seeing him in the dugout.
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      Reply #1366: Apr 21, 2018 12:55:25 am
      For the first 10 years he was absolutely brilliant for the fans and for the share holders.  For the best part of the next ten years he kept the shareholders happy for the last few years in my opinion he was just dragging the club in a hole.   He should have left about 5 years ago with dignity.  He is leaving a squad which is nowhere near as good as the one he took over.   In my opinion he had a magical partnership with David Dein after he left it was all going pear shaped.    I can understand people giving him tributes as our fans are too classy, but as I write this up and can remember the aftermath of Istanbul and him farting on SSN -  Liverpool didn't deserve to be in the competition.  An absolute whinger with no class if you ask me.  King Kenny told him what he deserved. 
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      Reply #1367: Apr 21, 2018 08:21:51 am
      Arsenal struggles began after buying young prospects & selling in for huge transfer fees whilst investing into the new Stadia build...

      Wenger for all his critics had Arsenal punching obove their weight to be honest... Going to take them a while to recover and get back into a top 4 team.
      Sorry can't agree with you Shabs... Arsenal had to sell players like  Nicolas Anelka to Real Madrid, and Marc Overmars and Emmanuel Petit to Barcelona... The transfer of Anelka partly funded the club's new training ground, in London Colney, which opened in October 1999... These player were vitally to Arsenal, and once they had moved into the Stadium paid of the loan to build it in record time... But because they had to reduce their wage build to do so, and by then you had Roman splashing Millions to sign players many of which Wenger wanted to sign, and a player like Ashley Cole defecting to Chelsea Arsenal then struggle, especial as the owners wanted to keep the new lower wage bill going...You then had City splashing their new found wealth, and the owners of Arsenal taking to long to respond to increasing the wages of their squad making it even more difficult to attract let alone keep key players
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      Reply #1368: Apr 21, 2018 01:40:28 pm
      Please please please hire Brendan. They will sink without a trace if he goes there.

      Make the right appointment though and they could be a force again, but something tells me that the Arsenal board won’t want a strong personality like Simeone or Rafa, who would both be a perfect fit.
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      Reply #1369: Apr 21, 2018 05:49:39 pm
      Just cos...
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      Reply #1370: Apr 22, 2018 10:54:33 pm
      Even ripping into his own fans after today's game :laugh:

      Hahaha going out in style is old Arsene.

      Might as well post the "Kenny" send off

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      Reply #1371: Apr 23, 2018 04:02:06 am
      Rested Aubamayang in preparation for his rest on Thursday due to being cup tied, whilst playing Lacazette the whole game.
      Was really struggling, put him on and they won 4-1.
      Wenger brings the criticism on himself.
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      Reply #1372: Apr 23, 2018 01:48:33 pm
      Even ripping into his own fans after today's game :laugh:

      Hahaha going out in style is old Arsene.

      Might as well post the "Kenny" send off



      I will never get tired of that gif. :lmao:
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      Reply #1373: Apr 26, 2018 07:48:55 pm
      Listening to 5 Live and Ian Dennis their commentator/reporter throwing some thinly veiled criticism towards Arsenal about contriving an atmosphere tonight (there'll be a light show and flags on display you know ;) ). Drives home the point by referring to Anfield (of course) in recent weeks and the Liverpool fans ability to pack the stadium half an hour beforehand and rely on their own organic support.
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      Reply #1374: Apr 26, 2018 11:46:48 pm
      Hope this is where the spiral down for them begins, they get in a manager who throws away money and the fans realise how good of a manager Wenger was.
      Liked Wenger and his philosophy, although he did realise in the end that money do buy you success.


      I don't believe he ever didn't realise money bought success.
      Moving stadium restricted their spend, and was only something they were beginning to rectify.
      No patience in football though and fans had turned on Wenger years ago.
      They are spending, but will now need a new manager's vision and that'll mean transition.

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