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      Full disclosure of all government documents relating to Hillsborough

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      Re: Full disclosure of all government documents relating to Hillsborough
      Reply #161: Oct 31, 2011 08:47:01 am

      I've her done in a double with Jimmy Savile - sweat's on.
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      Re: Full disclosure of all government documents relating to Hillsborough
      Reply #162: Oct 31, 2011 08:59:11 pm
      I've her done in a double with Jimmy Savile - sweat's on.

      Should have done a treble mate and included Murdoch.
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      Re: Full disclosure of all government documents relating to Hillsborough
      Reply #163: Nov 03, 2011 10:54:11 pm
      Excellent comment piece in today's Observer

      Why mock these proud Scousers?

      What is it with Tories slating Liverpool? Following the beheading of Liverpudlian hostage Kenneth Bigley in Iraq, there was all that business with Boris Johnson and the Spectator and the labelling of the city as "mawkish". Now David Cameron has apologised to the relatives of Hillsborough victims, for remarking that their continuing campaign was "like a blind man, in a dark room, looking for a black cat". Cameron now regrets that "even more bloody northern votes have been lost". Oops, sorry, got that wrong. Cameron actually regretted that "offence had been caused". Apologies, my mistake.

      Perhaps there are people out there who think they can get away with Scouse-bashing. Certainly, there are times when the people of Liverpool seem to attract all the anti-north venom going. Periodically, they're portrayed as over-sentimental whingers, the hysterics and drama queens of the north – so emotionally incontinent that they can't see a cute kitten on the lid of a chocolate box without having a full-blown nervous breakdown. What stereotyping rot. Disgracefully, Liverpudlians get these charges slung at them, even when something absolutely devastating happens, such as in the cases of James Bulger, Bigley and Hillsborough.

      As far as Hillsborough is concerned, it's highly probable that the relatives would love to put their exhausting 22-year campaign behind them, instead of having to keep pushing for the truth. Their big "faux pas" seems to be their resilience – their refusal to shuffle away to a dark corner and stop causing officialdom inconvenience. Good for them.

      As for the supposed "over-sentimentality" of the city, in my opinion, it's always moving to see Liverpudlians come together to support their own in times of crisis. Who knows – a bit of this spirit rolled out nationwide might even result in the big society of which Cameron once seemed so fond.


      http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/30/barbara-ellen-rape-trivialised?INTCMP=SRCH

      That such an article has been written & published in a serious paper shows that the rest of the country has a problem with us. Do you ever see any other city subject to the same level of scrutiny & discussion?

      F**k off England.

      To be honest mate, I've seen a bit of anti-Scouse behaviour on our very forum, which does sicken me to think a Liverpool fan has that mentality but there you go. So F**k the nation, Scousers will always stand taller and sing prouder than anyone else. We know the country hates us because they know they can't break us no matter what they've tried.
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      Re: Full disclosure of all government documents relating to Hillsborough
      Reply #164: Nov 04, 2011 03:55:35 pm
      To be honest mate, I've seen a bit of anti-Scouse behaviour on our very forum, which does sicken me to think a Liverpool fan has that mentality but there you go. So f**k the nation, Scousers will always stand taller and sing prouder than anyone else. We know the country hates us because they know they can't break us no matter what they've tried.
      Im irsh..aand i have the utmost respect for scousers
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      Re: Full disclosure of all government documents relating to Hillsborough
      Reply #165: Nov 04, 2011 04:22:46 pm
      I've her done in a double with Jimmy Savile - sweat's on.

      Great bet,but personally want that bi*ch to be still alive when the truth comes out,and for the entire country see,s what a cover up she instigated,F***ing bi*ch.
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      Re: Full disclosure of all government documents relating to Hillsborough
      Reply #166: Nov 04, 2011 07:42:50 pm
      Guys, we really need signatures for the e-petition. Anyone not signed it?
      « Last Edit: Nov 04, 2011 08:39:52 pm by Venison 86 »
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      Reply #167: Nov 05, 2011 03:20:43 pm
      Great to see the debate in Parliament and that hopefully we will get justice for those that so sadly perished.

      Really shows the power of the collective. Well done to all for supporting this.

      Would be really great if people could spend 2 mins of their time and also sign this petition that I've just come across on the e-petition site. Another petition for justice and truth.There's an easy link to it via:

      www.letsgetjustice.com

      Thanks

      Ian
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      Re: Full disclosure of all government documents relating to Hillsborough
      Reply #168: Nov 07, 2011 08:26:14 pm
      Guys, we really need signatures for the e-petition. Anyone not signed it?
      people why am i not seeing signatures..if we could get 1000from this website i would bbe happy
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      Re: Full disclosure of all government documents relating to Hillsborough
      Reply #169: Nov 09, 2011 12:01:09 pm
      Great bet,but personally want that bi*ch to be still alive when the truth comes out,and for the entire country see,s what a cover up she instigated,f**king bi*ch.

      Yes that's the ideal finish.

      Imagine the truth coming out and her getting a F***ing pasting from all angles which eventually puts her on a slab.

      She can take that bellend Cameron with her and all.
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      Re: Full disclosure of all government documents relating to Hillsborough
      Reply #170: Nov 15, 2011 09:48:35 pm
      everyone go the forum ' blackcatchat' go to section ' blackcatchat' and read my topic 'please sign' (its about the petition) and read every post  :f_steam:
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      Re: Full disclosure of all government documents relating to Hillsborough
      Reply #171: Nov 30, 2011 02:28:09 pm
      From facebook:

      Quote from: Official Hillsborough Justice Campaign
      Very disappointing news. Just received word from Martin Rosenbaum that the BBC has agreed to not pursue the Government's appeal against the Information Commissioner's ruling regarding the release of the Cabinet papers under Thatcher. Their argument is that the panel will release the information when it publishes it's report. However, it is our opinion that the government's argument was negated last week when someone (who? and why?) leaked the details of tissue samples being taken. Their main argument was that information should be released in context. front page of the Echo? Where is the concern for families in that?
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      Re: Full disclosure of all government documents relating to Hillsborough
      Reply #172: Nov 30, 2011 05:20:18 pm
      Hillsborough Thatcher files to be released by June 2012
      The government has promised to release files relating to Margaret Thatcher and the Hillsborough disaster by June 2012.

      This follows a Freedom of Information dispute regarding the files on talks held by the then prime minister in the days after the tragedy.

      The government turned down a 2009 BBC FOI request and said all disclosures should be made by an independent panel.

      Ninety-five fans died in a crush at Hillsborough football stadium in 1989 - a 96th supporter died years later.

      Martin Rosenbaum, the BBC's Freedom of Information specialist, says the content of these documents has already been hinted at in arguments the government made against their publication.

      The Cabinet Office had argued that releasing the material now could damage the public relationship with the police so much that even 22 years after the event people would be less willing to co-operate with the police, he says.

      The case stems from an FOI application made by the BBC in April 2009 for documents relating to cabinet and other discussions involving Margaret Thatcher following the disaster.

      The request was turned down by the Cabinet Office but backed by the Information Commissioner who ruled that releasing the files would be in the public interest.

      Crowd control failure
      The government appealed against this, arguing that all disclosures should be made by the Hillsborough Independent Panel it set up several months after the BBC's FOI request.

      That panel is reviewing most government records for possible publication but cabinet records were outside the panel's terms of reference.

      The Cabinet Office has now pledged to reveal the material by 30 June if it has not already been issued by the panel, on the basis that the BBC drops its FOI application.

      On 15 April 1989, 95 Liverpool supporters were killed in a crush of fans at Sheffield Wednesday's ground, where the club was playing an FA Cup semi-final against Nottingham Forest. The 96th victim was in a coma and died years later.

      Lord Justice Taylor's inquiry into the disaster, which reported in 1990, criticised senior police officers on duty at the match for a failure of crowd control and recommended the introduction of all-seater stadiums.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15968408

      3 things about this timing:

      1, Aren't the Government on holiday then?
      2, The Olympics will shadow any news about it!
      3, I'm off to the bookies as obviously the witch will be dead by then.
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      Re: Full disclosure of all government documents relating to Hillsborough
      Reply #173: Nov 30, 2011 08:56:27 pm
      How is the e-petition going?
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      Re: Full disclosure of all government documents relating to Hillsborough
      Reply #174: Dec 01, 2011 11:18:46 pm
      Hillsborough files: Cabinet Office settles with BBC

      The Cabinet Office and the BBC have reached a compromise in a long-running freedom of information dispute over documents relating to Margaret Thatcher and the Hillsborough disaster.

      The government has promised to release these papers by June next year. On this basis the BBC is dropping its FOI application for them.

      The Information Commissioner has also consented to this settlement. As a result the tribunal hearing scheduled to consider the government's appeal against disclosure in February next year will no longer happen.

      The Cabinet Office has pledged that it will reveal the material by 30 June if it has not already been issued by the Hillsborough Independent Panel. This is the body set up to review and consider for publication most government records about the 1989 tragedy at the Hillsborough footbal stadium, in which 96 Liverpool fans were killed.

      The BBC would like to see the information released as soon as possible, but has accepted this settlement on the basis that in practice it would only lead to a maximum delay of a few weeks.

      The Information Rights Tribunal usually takes some weeks to issue a judgement and then gives the public authority another 35 days to comply with it. This means that even if in February the tribunal upholds the case for disclosure argued by the BBC and the Information Commissioner against the Cabinet Office appeal, the material would probably not be published until May 2012 anyway.

      The case stems from an FOI application made by the BBC in April 2009, in which we asked for documents relating to cabinet and other discussions about Hillsborough involving the then Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher in the wake of the tragedy. Our request was turned down by the Cabinet Office but backed by the Information Commissioner who ruled that releasing the files would be in the public interest.

      When announcing its plan to appeal against this, the government argued that all disclosures should be made by the independent panel, which it established several months after the BBC's FOI request. The panel says it intends to report next spring. However, cabinet records were outside the panel's terms of reference.

      Some possible content of the documents involved is hinted at by outline arguments in a preliminary submission to the tribunal by the Cabinet Office this summer, at a time when the government was intending to proceed with its appeal against publication.

      The Cabinet Office developed the argument it apparently previously presented to the Information Commissioner that releasing the material now could damage the public relationship with the police so much that even 22 years after the event the public would be less willing to co-operate with the police.

      Its submission in August told the tribunal that "absence of controlled disclosure would be likely to focus public debate on the policing alone (rather than the full range of relevant issues) and cause greater damage to relations between the community and the Police."

      The Cabinet Office went on to argue that rejecting the BBC's information request was necessary for the sake of "maintaining good relations between the police and the public" and "ensuring that the public co-operate with and assist the police."

      The official Taylor inquiry into the causes of the tragedy blamed South Yorkshire Police for failures in crowd control that led to a fatal crush in the Liverpool fans' section of the ground.

      This hint may fuel further suspicions among some campaigners about the police actions and what the government knew about them at the time. But at least matters should now become clearer by June next year.

      The BBC's view is that the response of the government of the day to Hillsborough is an important matter of public interest. This can only fully be examined by the release of all relevant documents, including cabinet records that were outside the remit of the government's independent panel.

      By pursuing this FOI request the BBC has ensured that some potentially crucial files will not remain secret. As a result the general public and those directly affected by the events should end up better informed about how the government reacted to the worst disaster in British sporting history.


      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15938394
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      Re: Full disclosure of all government documents relating to Hillsborough
      Reply #175: Dec 02, 2011 09:50:11 am
      Why should there be any "compromise" on the FOI?
      The documents in full should be released on the specified date and the government's efforts to further delay a full disclosure suggests deceit and obfuscation are still rampant .
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      Re: Full disclosure of all government documents relating to Hillsborough
      Reply #176: Dec 02, 2011 09:26:25 pm
      I talk to teams of other fans and they believe the sun has said nothing that is wrong and i mean if they followed this story its clearly obvious they have something to hide :roll:
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      Re: Full disclosure of all government documents relating to Hillsborough
      Reply #177: Dec 03, 2011 10:22:38 am
      I talk to teams of other fans and they believe the sun has said nothing that is wrong and i mean if they followed this story its clearly obvious they have something to hide :roll:
      The 'other fans' you speak of are no doubt the F***ing bellends who read the sh*te rag and conveniently ignore the fact that
      it apologised and admitted to it's lies and deceit over Hillsborough, as it's owner has been forced to regularly and consistently ever since with a multitude of slanderous and inaccurate reports all in the cause his idols - money and power.
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      Re: Full disclosure of all government documents relating to Hillsborough
      Reply #178: Dec 14, 2011 04:35:19 pm
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16184794

                      The ex-News Of The World editor says the full force of the law should be used against anyone who acted
                       in an illegal way at the paper.
                      Colin Myer told the Leveson Inquiry into media ethics (???) he did not recognise a witness account of
                      hacking phones and defrauding expenses.
                     "Thats not a world I recognise, notwithstanding that core of people whoever they may be" he said.
                      Earlier a former NOTW lawer denied a "culture of cover up" had existed.
                                     
                     

                             What a tangled web they weave....
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      Re: Full disclosure of all government documents relating to Hillsborough
      Reply #179: Jan 31, 2012 05:15:57 pm
      Anne Williamsposted toHillsborough Inquests The Cover-up
      The Backbench commitee has refused a Debate dont know any details yet.
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      Re: Full disclosure of all government documents relating to Hillsborough
      Reply #180: Jan 31, 2012 05:19:12 pm
      Anne Williamsposted toHillsborough Inquests The Cover-up
      The Backbench commitee has refused a Debate dont know any details yet.
      The cu*ts are running scared and all they can do is delay the inevitable, they know it and we know it.
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      Re: Full disclosure of all government documents relating to Hillsborough
      Reply #181: Feb 03, 2012 10:18:43 pm
      Anne Williamsposted toHillsborough Inquests The Cover-up
      The Backbench commitee has refused a Debate dont know any details yet.

      Any further details regarding this?

      If true it's a disgrace but not surprising, I always had in the back of my mind they might refuse the debate. These cu*ts need to remember who they work for, the people, and over 100,000 of them people have spoken and these cu*ts refuse it?

      It's things like this that really make me F***ing hate the way this country is run and the corrupt bas**rds running it.
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      Re: Full disclosure of all government documents relating to Hillsborough
      Reply #182: Feb 09, 2012 06:31:17 am
      Commons debate on Kevin Williams inquest will go ahead
      The case of 15-year-old Hillsborough victim Kevin Williams will be debated in Parliament later this month, Liverpool MP Bill Esterson has said.

      More than 100,000 people signed an online petition calling for a fresh inquest into his death after the boy's mother uncovered new evidence.

      The backbench business committee had said a Commons debate would not be held, but a date has now been set.

      Mr Esterson said he hoped it would be the first step in getting justice.

      The debate is due to take place on 22 February.

      Kevin, from Formby, Merseyside, is one of the 96 people who died after the 1989 Hillsborough disaster.

      Ninety-five fans died in the crush at the FA Cup semi-final at Sheffield Wednesday's ground and a 96th supporter, Tony Bland, fell into a coma and died in hospital in 1993.

      'Long battle'
      The original inquest in 1991 returned a verdict of accidental death, ruling that all the victims were dead by 15:15.

      Kevin's mother, Anne Williams, set up the e-petition calling on the government to open a new inquest under section 13 of the Coroner's Act, wanting the accidental death verdict to be overturned.

      She claims Kevin was still alive at 16:00 on the day of the disaster and did not die from traumatic asphyxia and that she has evidence to prove it.

      Mr Esterson said: "This has been a long time coming, but we have at last managed to get this issue debated in Parliament.

      "More than 100,000 people put their names to the campaign calling for the debate on the government's own website. It is right a proper that that debate is given time in the House of Commons.

      "Anne and the rest of the Williams family have been through a 23 year long battle for justice for Kevin.

      "Anne has met people who tried to help Kevin well after the 3.15 cut off given by the coroner. Anne needs a new inquest so that she can get justice for Kevin. She and the other families need to hear the truth about whether decisions taken on the day contributed to the death of their loved ones.

      "I will be fighting to ensure that this debate is the beginning of the end in the long campaign for the truth and that justice is finally done for the families of all 96 people who died at Hillsborough."

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-16954412
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      Re: Full disclosure of all government documents relating to Hillsborough
      Reply #183: Feb 09, 2012 06:49:24 am
      "Anne has met people who tried to help Kevin well after the 3.15 cut off given by the coroner. Anne needs a new inquest so that she can get justice for Kevin. She and the other families need to hear the truth about whether decisions taken on the day contributed to the death of their loved ones.
      This is great news, obviously but I have a strong suspicion that even if Anna can prove beyond doubt that decisions on the day caused Kevin's death, the courts will treat that as an isolated incident and not apply the findings to anyone else who lost family members at Hillsborough unless they too can offer solid eveidence.

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