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      Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Oct 19, 2011 01:24:35 pm
      Absolutely disgusting comments.

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      A retired judge has sparked fury by calling on the Hillsborough families to behave with more 'dignity' - like the relatives of victims of the Bradford City stadium disaster.
      Sir Oliver Popplewell, who chaired the public inquiry into the 1985 fire at the Valley Parade stadium that killed 56 people, called on the Liverpool families to look at the 'quiet dignity and great courage' relatives in the West Yorkshire city have shown in the years following the tragedy.
      He made the comments in a letter to The Times following the Commons debate this week calling for all the Cabinet papers on Hillsborough to be released.
      He said: 'The citizens of Bradford behaved with quiet dignity and great courage.
      'They did not harbour conspiracy theories. They did not seek endless further inquiries.
      'They buried their dead, comforted the bereaved and succoured the injured.
      'They organised a sensible compensation scheme and moved on.
      'Is there, perhaps, a lesson there for the Hillsborough campaigners?'
      Home Secretary Theresa May has pledged to release all possible documents on the 1989 FA Cup semi-final tragedy that left 96 Liverpool fans dead.
      Labour MP Steve Rotheram (Liverpool Walton) told The Times: 'How insensitive does somebody have to be to write that load of drivel?
       
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      ALL Hillsborough papers will be released so that families can learn truth about tragedy, promises May
      'It is unbelievable. To mention other tragedies simply because they are football-related, as if there is some common denominator because they happened in football stadiums, beggars belief.
      'Was there a conspiracy after the Bradford fire?

      Tragedy: A policeman enters the pitch at the Hillsborough stadium to tell the referee to stop the match as the 1989 tragedy unfolds during the FA Cup game between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest

      Flash fire: 56 supporters died when the blaze swept through the Valley Parade stand at Bradford City's ground
      'Did the government try to blame the Bradford City fans for setting fire to the stadium on purpose?
      'It shows how people right at the top of the Establishment still harbour prejudice and ignorance.'
      Margaret Aspinall, whose son James died in the disaster, told the newspaper: 'He ought to be ashamed of himself.'


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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #1: Oct 19, 2011 01:25:59 pm
      If someone can acquire postal/email address for this tw*t, i'll happily organise a mailing campaign.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #2: Oct 19, 2011 01:27:37 pm
      What a c**t!
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #3: Oct 19, 2011 01:31:08 pm
      Seems he has never lost any familiar in a tragedy like Hillsborough. What an asshole.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #4: Oct 19, 2011 01:34:45 pm
      It's F***ing infuriating to continuously read this F***ing garbage and disrespect several people in high positions keep drivelling out of their mouths about a campaign to seek justice for the people who were killed and then blamed for killing their own.

      No national newspaper ran a story claiming Bradford fans stole, pissed on and continued to injure any of their fellow fans.

      No government hid the truth and held prejudice against the people of Bradford.

      No police officers lied to cover their own mistakes.

      If he wants to see respect and dignity he should get a front F***ing row seat at the next Hillsborough memorial at Anfield and see the unity, strength and passion of the people of Liverpool.

      The F***ing c**t should be quartered and hung out to dry.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #5: Oct 19, 2011 01:37:31 pm
      This is from Peter Hooton after he spoke to Steve Rotherham:

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      Steve warned me to expect the inevitable backlash. I've just had a long talk with him and he said he had already been warned by an anonymous journalist that the 'establishment' won't take this lying down so even though we may have been pleased about Monday's revelations/speeches in the Commons the 'black propoganda backlash' is already being planned. He asked Liverpool fans not to be too eurphoric but to remain vigilant as we have done for the past 22 years.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #6: Oct 19, 2011 01:39:13 pm
      Another ignorant uneducated F**k.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #7: Oct 19, 2011 01:39:17 pm
      Just another worthless piece of scum. Thatcherite c**t.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #8: Oct 19, 2011 01:40:24 pm
      On inspection, he was that dumb arse who represented Linford Christie!!

      I studied this case in PE for an assignment on drugs in sport.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #9: Oct 19, 2011 01:43:52 pm
      The day I start to be bothered about what a senile 84 year old judge has to say won't be happening soon.

      This is a side issue - a distraction - and we shouldn't give him an iota of our time or thoughts.  Far bigger fish to fry on this issue.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #10: Oct 19, 2011 01:45:49 pm
      This is from Peter Hooton after he spoke to Steve Rotherham:

      Something like that is absolutely to be expected. The establishment and the News Corporation will definitely try to protect their own. I am not very proud to admit this, but the PR company I have worked for in the late 90's was regularly involved in this type of sh*te.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #11: Oct 19, 2011 01:49:30 pm
      The day I start to be bothered about what a senile 84 year old judge has to say won't be happening soon.

      The Establishment has ran out of lackeys on this one.

      Let the dregs of the Thatcher generation do their worst. Even at the height of their powers & with us at our lowest ebb they couldn't defeat us.

      F**k them.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #12: Oct 19, 2011 01:50:09 pm
      The demented arl b***ard is not worth the brain cells.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #13: Oct 19, 2011 02:06:09 pm
      The most abhorrent thing about Popplewell's letter is that it really isn't surprising that these views are held by the ruling classes. One more reason why I F***ing hate this country - and I do, genuinely, hate this country.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #14: Oct 19, 2011 03:11:43 pm
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/8835870/Liverpool-MP-fury-at-former-judge-Sir-Oliver-Popplewells-suggestion-Hillsborough-families-should-move-on.html

      Telegraph Article.

      Move On ?

      How can anyone move on until the truth is known?

      Obviously he has been insulated from tragedy in his world.

      C*nt.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #15: Oct 19, 2011 03:33:35 pm
      Just another ignorant c**t who believes everything he reads in the red tops, he says the families should act with more dignity ironic that considering that their is nothing at dignified about what he said, what a tosser.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #16: Oct 19, 2011 04:08:51 pm
      Senile old thatcher loving c**t, him and mckenzie would agree to a lot of sh*te over tea and biscuits in the gentlemans lounge.

      Ig F***ing nore.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #17: Oct 19, 2011 04:12:57 pm
      They will not beat us the more crap like this comes out the more determined we will become.Maybe he is right we should move on. move on to a campaign of direct action against idiots who use ignorance as a defense.
      « Last Edit: Oct 19, 2011 04:18:23 pm by JD »
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #18: Oct 19, 2011 04:23:14 pm
      It's simply IMPOSSIBLE for the familes of the Hillsborough dead to act with any MORE dignity than they did !

      Maybe this 84 yr old has lost his will to live as well as a few marbles, he's in deep sh*t if people find out his contact details !

      Age may effect the elders memories of certain events but the memories of the young and deceased's relatives are as clear as the day itself.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #19: Oct 19, 2011 05:32:05 pm
      F***ing Thatcherite c**t.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #20: Oct 19, 2011 05:40:08 pm
      Oh the irony. Where's the dignity in having a go publicly at people looking for justice. No more lies. JFT96
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #21: Oct 19, 2011 05:43:41 pm
      Silly old c**t if ever an argument for euthanasia was needed...
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #22: Oct 19, 2011 05:43:45 pm
      c**t.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #23: Oct 19, 2011 06:04:29 pm
      The irony is the Times is owned by you know who.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #24: Oct 19, 2011 06:43:47 pm
      F***ing torie b***ard.

      It is really starting to piss me off now. Why shouldn't these families want justice?

      Why does this tw*t think he should be telling anyone especially these families how to behave. They have only behaved with dignity over the past years!

      I won't be buying this paper again just because they printed such utter crap!
      « Last Edit: Oct 20, 2011 10:53:07 am by JD »
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #25: Oct 19, 2011 07:03:01 pm
      Despicable comments.

      Either he's on an agenda, and attacking brave families who are seeking justice for those they lost, which makes him a real c**t.

      Or he's dreadfully uneducated, lapping up the lies that were spread, which for an ex-judge is inexcusable.

      A prize gobs***e, running his F***ing mouth, eager at the opportunity to slag off the plebs, the working class northern scum, as he probably thinks of the families.

      Regardless of his age, he deserves a kicking.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #26: Oct 19, 2011 07:05:55 pm
      Besides slandering the names of 96 innocent people what did this b***ard do to earn the title of Sir Oliver Popplewell.
                                                       It is just as well he is a retired judge because with statements like that he must of convicted a lot of innocent people over the years .
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #27: Oct 19, 2011 07:10:22 pm
      It is just as well he is a retired judge because with statements like that he must of convicted a lot of innocent people over the years .
      That is a worrying thought. The establishment in this country is really fu**ed up that people like him have such a position.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #28: Oct 19, 2011 07:13:58 pm
      A typical retort from a kunt so far removed from reality, one of Thatcher's lot spouting sh*te about something he knows F**k all about, the type of kunt the likes of Cameron, Hague, that other Kunt, John Redwood(think that kunt's frog up) who cares, and all the rest of Thatcher's establishment junkies, who make it there goal in life to F**k over the working classes, a gin drinking arl dodderer, with a silverspoon stuck up his f***in Eton educated jacksey, hope the Kunt chokes on his Churchillian cigar and his piles give him excrutiating agony, senile old Kunt.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #29: Oct 19, 2011 07:34:23 pm
      Is from a public schoolboy whos never done a days work in his life and completely out of touch from reality. worthless comments from a worthless person.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #30: Oct 19, 2011 07:34:38 pm
      Didnt see much arguement against the letter in the press which for me is just as bad,why did they print such a vile thing.Its totally irrelevant to the current situation so why publish is this the powers that be getting in a couple of low blows before the sh*t hits the fan. The old adage "you cant beat the sytem" springs to mind.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #31: Oct 19, 2011 08:44:17 pm
      He said: 'The citizens of Bradford behaved with quiet dignity and great courage.'
      So have the Hillsborough families

      They did not harbour conspiracy theories. They did not seek endless further inquiries.'
      True, but did anyone accuse them of building the fire themselves? Of stealing from fellow fans? Of Urinating on fellow fans? Did the Police Officer in charge tell a complete pack of lies to try and cover his own rear end?

      They buried their dead, comforted the bereaved and succoured the injured.
      And the Hillsborough families didn't?

      Frankly the two incidents are so TOTALLY different to each other that the comparison is ludicrous and could only be made by someone with the intention to cause mischief.
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      Reply #32: Oct 19, 2011 09:00:48 pm
      He said: 'The citizens of Bradford behaved with quiet dignity and great courage.'
      So have the Hillsborough families

      They did not harbour conspiracy theories. They did not seek endless further inquiries.'
      True, but did anyone accuse them of building the fire themselves? Of stealing from fellow fans? Of Urinating on fellow fans? Did the Police Officer in charge tell a complete pack of lies to try and cover his own rear end?

      They buried their dead, comforted the bereaved and succoured the injured.
      And the Hillsborough families didn't?

      Frankly the two incidents are so TOTALLY different to each other that the comparison is ludicrous and could only be made by someone with the intention to cause mischief.

      The establishment hitting back!

      This pr**k's comments, Lord Justice Stuart-Smith's comments way back in the 90s and the message Steve Rotherham has been trying to get across means there is something waiting to be revealed about those in charge in 89 and the establishment don't like it one bit.

      And in these days of social media, we're going to make sure EVERYONE knows about it.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #33: Oct 19, 2011 10:32:54 pm
      He"s a relic of Thatcherism totally out of touch with society and we shouldn"t expect anything else from him and his ilk.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #34: Oct 19, 2011 10:39:28 pm
      Give out knighthoods to any dumb c**ts these days, wont they?
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #35: Oct 19, 2011 10:39:32 pm
      Didnt see much arguement against the letter in the press which for me is just as bad,why did they print such a vile thing.Its totally irrelevant to the current situation so why publish is this the powers that be getting in a couple of low blows before the sh*t hits the fan. The old adage "you cant beat the sytem" springs to mind.

      This^
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #36: Oct 19, 2011 10:55:36 pm
      Didnt see much arguement against the letter in the press which for me is just as bad,why did they print such a vile thing.Its totally irrelevant to the current situation so why publish is this the powers that be getting in a couple of low blows before the sh*t hits the fan. The old adage "you cant beat the sytem" springs to mind.

      I read the comments posted in the papers that ran the story, and they were mostly very positive for us, and against this fucktard.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #37: Oct 19, 2011 11:02:18 pm
      Silly old c**t if ever an argument for euthanasia was needed...

      Nowt wrong with the youth in Asia mate. ;D
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #38: Oct 19, 2011 11:03:40 pm
      Nowt wrong with the youth in Asia mate. ;D

      Leave those ladyboys alone dude...

      ;)
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      Reply #39: Oct 19, 2011 11:06:07 pm
      Look like women, sound like women and can put a shelf up

      Overlooking the todger, I challenge you to find fault

      EDIT: Just remembered what thread I'm posting on, probably not the most sensetive place for ladyboy jokes

      Perhaps we should start a new thread
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #40: Oct 19, 2011 11:16:29 pm
      Nowt wrong with the youth in Asia mate. ;D
      Ali-G Euthanasia

      Back on topic, I suspect his age has little to do with the sh*te he spouts. Once a c**t, always a c**t. And being such a c**t probably got him in the position he was in.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #41: Oct 19, 2011 11:19:36 pm
      We all know people like him don't live in the real world - no excuse for him to say what he did though.

      He could have quite easily looked at the evidence, but probably couldn't be arsed as he slurped another G&T and gave bliar an arse tonguing.

      The problem is that these people actually think people take notice of them - if we just ignore the tw*ts, perhaps they'll go away...
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #42: Oct 20, 2011 10:50:43 am
      The day I start to be bothered about what a senile 84 year old judge has to say won't be happening soon.

      This is a side issue - a distraction - and we shouldn't give him an iota of our time or thoughts.  Far bigger fish to fry on this issue.

      Spot on. It's people like this that only make it more difficult to seek justice by putting obstacles in the campaign's way. F*ck him.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #43: Oct 20, 2011 11:07:58 am
      The irony is the Times is owned by you know who.
      So is SKY which will parade the other lying b***ard McKenzie shortly - the poisonous little tw*t Murdoch is still peddling evil after all his humility bullshit and symbolic apologies he was forced into acting out.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #44: Oct 20, 2011 11:13:26 am
      But like it or not, his ignorant unresearched views are listened to by lazy people who can't be arsed to read about the subject themselves. This was a knight and a judge writing a letter in the Times which has a very large, well educated and influential circulation. Labelling the families "conspiracy theorists" is a cheapshot that seems to require no further justification to make a case; I know from experience. Many people will agree with what he wrote despite any lack of substance within his comments but there is probably little which we can do about it other than educate where we have the chance, so that people like him can be exposed when talking sh*te.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #45: Oct 20, 2011 11:29:58 am
      The good news is his expirey date is beckoning.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #46: Oct 20, 2011 11:57:12 am
      w**ker.

      They've had 22 years of horrible injustice, lies and cover-ups and this arsehole has the nerve to say this kind of sh*te.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #47: Oct 20, 2011 12:05:46 pm
      In the defence of The Times, they have today published four letters in response to yesterday's letter, highlighting the fact that there were no 'unanswered questions' over Bradford, that Bradford's fans were not blamed for the fire and that the two matters are entirely different.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #48: Oct 20, 2011 12:27:19 pm
      In the defence of The Times, they have today published four letters in response to yesterday's letter, highlighting the fact that there were no 'unanswered questions' over Bradford, that Bradford's fans were not blamed for the fire and that the two matters are entirely different.
      Thats good of them but the issue I have is why bother even publishing it as it was so wide of the mark and Popplewell is irrelevant. I Get the feeling this is possibly being orchestrated.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #49: Oct 20, 2011 02:13:29 pm
      Bradford fire survivor attacks judge over Hillsborough comments

      • Criticism of Hillsborough families branded 'disgraceful'
      • Retired judge had suggested that they should move on

      A survivor of the 1985 fire at Bradford City in which 56 people died has profoundly criticised the judge who conducted the official inquiry into that disaster and who this week unfavourably compared the response of families bereaved by the Hillsborough disaster to those of Bradford.

      Mr Justice Popplewell said in a letter to The Times that the Hillsborough families are "harbouring conspiracy theories'" rather than behaving with "quiet dignity and great courage" like the Bradford families did.

      Martin Fletcher was 12 when he emerged alive from Valley Parade's inferno, but his father John, older brother Andrew, grandfather Eddie and uncle Peter, with whom he had been attending the Third Division match between Bradford City and Lincoln City, all died. He was also at the FA Cup semi-final at Hillsborough four years later, at which 96 Liverpool supporters died.

      "For Popplewell to say that the Hillsborough families are 'harbouring conspiracy theories' while the Bradford families 'organised a sensible compensation scheme and moved on,' is an absolute travesty of the truth and a disgrace," Fletcher said.

      "I have many unanswered questions still about the fire in which four of my family died, as does my mother. Popplewell's report was nowhere close to the quality of Lord Justice Taylor's report after Hillsborough, and since reading it as an adult I have always been very disappointed in it and considered it a poor piece of work.

      "Rather than lecture the Hillsborough families not to ask questions, the judge should ask himself why, after a disaster caused by a negligent approach to safety at football, despite his report, standards in football were allowed to remain so lamentably poor that another disaster happened at Hillsborough just four years later."

      Fletcher, now an accountant, also wholly rejected Popplewell's assertion that "a sensible compensation scheme" was organised after Bradford. In fact, there was a charitable disaster appeal, no organised compensation scheme, and his mother, Susan, took a negligence action, which she had to fund herself, against the club and Yorkshire County Council, for its safety oversight of Valley Parade.

      In the high court, both were found to have been negligent in allowing litter to build up over many years under the void of the club's wooden main stand, and to have done nothing to clear it despite explicit written warnings that it was a fire risk. Two years later, the club was found two-thirds liable, the council one third.

      Popplewell, in his report, wrote that his task was "not to allocate blame," and he was sympathetic to the club, saying that lower division football was "run on shoestring".

      That season Bradford City, owned by the motor trade entrepreneur Jack Tordoff and chairman Stafford Heginbotham, fielded a side good enough to win the Third Division championship, while doing little safety or maintenance work on the ground.

      After the fire, Valley Parade was rebuilt with public grants and insurance money, and Popplewell himself returned to Bradford to open it. Shortly afterwards, Heginbotham and Tordoff sold their shares in the club at a profit.

      Fletcher has spent years in his 20s and 30s trying to understand the disaster, including a detailed reading of Popplewell's report and the evidence given to the inquiry, which has left him deeply dissatisfied.

      The judge held his inquiry just over three weeks after the fire, and it lasted little more than a week. After Hillsborough, the West Midlands police force was appointed to independently investigate, three months were spent gathering evidence and Taylor heard arguments in detail in his inquiry over several weeks.

      Taylor's report clearly identified who was to blame and how the disaster happened, which the bereaved Hillsborough families are able to point to 22 years later, in their fight to understand why nobody in authority took responsibility, with South Yorkshire police instead blaming the disaster on supporters.

      Fletcher argues Popplewell's inquiry was too quick, he believes there should have been an independent investigating police force brought in, and he is frustrated by what he feels is Popplewell's failure to allocate responsibility clearly.

      "He stated that a discarded cigarette was the likely cause, but never identified the smoker or detailed the circumstances in which that happened. Nor did he properly expose and allocate blame for the scale of negligence which lay behind the disaster."

      Fletcher, who had family in Bradford but grew up in Nottingham, was in the Forest end at Hillsborough.

      "I cried after that, in my mother's car, asking why, as people had survived at Bradford because there were no fences in front of the main stand, there were still fences up at football grounds four years later. Popplewell made precious few useful safety recommendations, and instead, soon after that, football supporters were going to have an identity card-type scheme imposed on them.

      "Taylor, after Hillsborough, emphatically insisted that football must be forced by legislation wholly to improve its safety culture. Popplewell did no such thing after Bradford, and when he talks about 'moving on,' yes, supporters moved on to another disaster, in which 96 people were killed.

      "He should be asking himself some searching questions, rather than lecture the families bereaved by the Hillsborough disaster that they should just accept it.

      "In all these years, Popplewell has never spoken to me or my mother, who lost four family members. He should not presume to speak on our behalf. Perhaps he should act with 'quiet dignity' himself."


      http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/oct/20/bradford-disaster-attacks-judge-hillsborough?CMP=twt_gu
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #50: Oct 20, 2011 02:39:46 pm
      Well said Mr Fletcher you have our sympathies for your losses and an understanding of your continued desire for the Truth.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #51: Oct 20, 2011 06:41:37 pm
      What an absolute cretin of a man. Like other's have said, the sh*t is about to hit the fan with the impending release of top secret government files as far as those responsible are concerned. The establishment of the time are now sh*tting themselves and rightly so as they are about to be revealed as the degenerate Liar's they are. His comments shouldnt have even been printed anyway, who gives a f**k what a senile old Thatcherite piece of sh*t says. Hope he f***in burns in hell the low-life tw*t!

      Makes me think. Why do we even call for a knighthood for King Kenny? . Don't get me wrong, he deserves one. Far more than that old pisshead down the wrong end of the East Lancs dose anyway. Bob Paisley never got one despite being the most successfull English manager of all time. What I am trying to say is, do they even want one? I for one would reject any such title from such a corrupt and Southern interested government. They will always look out for themselves first and foremost when things go to sh*t and the economy starts going west. Liverpool always seem's to be hit more than most as far as cut's are concerned. You can stick your Knighthood's an OBE's up yer arse. We're not English, We are Scouse!
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #52: Oct 20, 2011 06:51:48 pm
      "Rather than lecture the Hillsborough families not to ask questions, the judge should ask himself why, after a disaster caused by a negligent approach to safety at football, despite his report, standards in football were allowed to remain so lamentably poor that another disaster happened at Hillsborough just four years later."

      Spot on. Absolutely F***ing spot on.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #53: Oct 20, 2011 06:58:37 pm
      For fucks sake it was his ilk that set the likes of Thatcher and her accomplices in the impenetrable shroud that has taken 22 F***ing years to penetrate, just die you old b***ard.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #54: Oct 20, 2011 06:59:16 pm
      Senial old cu*t

      In respect to those who died at Bradford nobody blamed them and nobody accused them of stealing from the dead. its a completely difefrent situation and this oul knob should keep his mouth shut
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #55: Oct 20, 2011 07:17:21 pm
      Well said Martin Fletcher.

      YNWA to you and your family.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #56: Oct 20, 2011 10:09:48 pm
      Absolutely well said Martin Fletcher. Especially this: "In all these years, Popplewell has never spoken to me or my mother, who lost four family members. He should not presume to speak on our behalf. Perhaps he should act with 'quiet dignity' himself."

      But it's all very sad because the motive behind which people like Popplewell speak, is usually a dark corrupted motive. So out of touch with decent human nature.

      The day I start to be bothered about what a senile 84 year old judge has to say won't be happening soon.

      This is a side issue - a distraction - and we shouldn't give him an iota of our time or thoughts.  Far bigger fish to fry on this issue.

      Extremely good point mate.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #57: Oct 20, 2011 10:19:14 pm
      Would like to see what happened to the 96 happen to one of his loved ones and see what his reaction would be... c**t
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #58: Oct 20, 2011 10:35:04 pm
      Would like to see what happened to the 96 happen to one of his loved ones and see what his reaction would be.  c**t

      Thing is, you wouldn't though mate. Because we've got more dignity than that.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #59: Oct 20, 2011 10:38:54 pm
      Would like to see what happened to the 96 happen to one of his loved ones and see what his reaction would be... c**t

      Not being funny lad, but what a F***ing horrible thing to say. To wish that sort of tragedy on anyone is disgusting. Liverpool fans are better than that. Yes what he said was F***ing horrible but we're bigger than to wish it upon him.
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      Reply #60: Oct 20, 2011 11:10:33 pm
      Just meant to see what his reaction would be concidering what he had said and how he would have reacted wouldn't wish what happened to and the subsiquent lies and deciet that happened to the 96
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #61: Oct 21, 2011 02:16:06 am
      He can go and F**k himself the insensitive silver spooned dog.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #62: Oct 21, 2011 08:39:57 am
      If this is what our betters’ (intelligentsia & ruling classes) are saying now. I can't even begin to imagine what was being said by the cabinet and West Yorkshire Police at the time. Especially as the FA, Government, and the police played "the blame game" pass the parcel with the tragedy.

      Does my memory serve me correct, but was it only the Police on the day who were given the right to claim compensation for their "traumatic experience" that was Hillsborough? Fire, Ambulance & fans were blocked from claims. I mention this as it only goes to show what an utterly corrupt system we are governed by.

      I for one will predict that none of the documents about to be realised will be embarrassing to any one in authority at the time, especially if they are still alive. Why? Because they anything earth shattering will simply be shredded, if it hasn’t already been.

      As you can no doubt glean, authority and honesty do not sit well with little old cynical me!
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #63: Oct 21, 2011 09:34:16 am
      That's why I too am not getting too carried away with the release NeilH. The shredders will have been very busy. It's F***ing sickening how corrupt and dishonest our supposedly civilised, developed country is. This judge epitomises the authority figures we are up against.
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      Reply #64: Oct 21, 2011 09:48:48 am
      As you can no doubt glean, authority and honesty do not sit well with little old cynical me!

      You're far from being alone on that score Neil.
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      Re: Judge says families of Hillsborough dead should act with more dignity
      Reply #65: Oct 21, 2011 11:46:30 am
      I think we've all made our point about this Judge's 'comments' and the excellent response by Martin Fletcher.

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